Sound like PVPs will be pretty big in ARR <3 !!

Ohhh yeah, cant wait for that alone !

The good thing that PVP going to be out of the way with it own area/spells so PVE and people who dislike doing PVP don't have to be mess with it.

I myself dislike PVP but i do enjoy it time to time as long as it's out of the way then it fine by me which is what yoshi-p is doing anyways.

Oh, bring it on! Then I will be an Odin defender! If you want to kill Odin, you have to kill me first! I have been dreaming of it...

I doubt, open-world PvP will be happening tho but who knows.

While I'm sure it won't be as big of a focus as PvP for GW2 is frankly anything to break the monotony of raiding and leveling would be a greatly appreciated improvement compared to XI. I just wonder if PvP will start while leveling or if it's saved for endgame, and in what kind of environments.

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While I'm sure it won't be as big of a focus as PvP for GW2 is frankly anything to break the monotony of raiding and leveling would be a greatly appreciated improvement compared to XI. I just wonder if PvP will start while leveling or if it's saved for endgame, and in what kind of environments.

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We never be sure of anything when you got Yoshi-P at his hand. Look now we got ARR out of thin-air, and Yoshi-P being a ex-badass pvp'ers before taking over ff14.

Now saying that we can even vs the dev-team it self + Yoshi this gonna be hell of a fun :)

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Oh, bring it on! Then I will be an Odin defender! If you want to kill Odin, you have to kill me first! I have been dreaming of it...

I doubt, open-world PvP will be happening tho but who knows.

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No they wont be such thing as open-world PVP they don't want people attacking people when there fishing and such. I hope there not even a dumb dual system that people can find outside of town i dislike that too for one reason and one reason only

Player1: Click --> Dual --> Zenaku yamada
Zenaku: Click no
Player1: /say oh you pussy? don't want to fight me? you think you lose huh pussy? Click dual
Zenaku: Click no
Player1: oh look at this pussy he does not want to dual me what a fucking loser
Player2: ahahahhahahaha
player3: ahahhahah
Zenaku: -.- fucking pvp people.

enough said lol if you want to dual it should be done in ul'dah dual area i dislike saying people dual outside town.

If they do allow it i hope there a way so no one can send me a dual request. or make worlds that only allow this type of PVP so i don't have to be bug by it i'm fine going and dual people when i'm in the mood for it but i'm not a pvp fan and i like to do other things then just pvp but for the people that do i hope there ways so it does not bug other.

I've been hyped since the release of Frontlines concept art. It sounds like a 24/7 PvP zone against each city state fraction. Hotness!

I already have a list of people who want to kill me, in high priority. My death is in high demand...

It will be a separated zone of everything else like a huge arena cross server connected if you show your face there you get jumped i think xD

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It will be a separated zone of everything else like a huge arena cross server connected if you show your face there you get jumped i think xD

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you talking about Frontlines? it wont be cross servers you only be fighting with your own world. Yoshi-p hint of allowing the top free companys in each world fight vs other top free company worlds in pvp but i bet that be for live events and so on.

They could allow Frontlines in dungeon finder but yoshi-p said no because he want us to fight with our own world not sure if he change his mind.

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No they wont be such thing as open-world PVP they don't want people attacking people when there fishing and such. I hope there not even a dumb dual system that people can find outside of town i dislike that too for one reason and one reason only

Player1: Click --> Dual --> Zenaku yamada
Zenaku: Click no
Player1: /say oh you pussy? don't want to fight me? you think you lose huh pussy? Click dual
Zenaku: Click no
Player1: oh look at this pussy he does not want to dual me what a fucking loser
Player2: ahahahhahahaha
player3: ahahhahah
Zenaku: -.- fucking pvp people.

enough said lol if you want to dual it should be done in ul'dah dual area i dislike saying people dual outside town.

If they do allow it i hope there a way so no one can send me a dual request. or make worlds that only allow this type of PVP so i don't have to be bug by it i'm fine going and dual people when i'm in the mood for it but i'm not a pvp fan and i like to do other things then just pvp but for the people that do i hope there ways so it does not bug other.

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I have played EVE online and I thought the security system is pretty a good idea. For newbies, they are protected when they are near to one of the first three cities. When they walk far and far away their security level is going down and more PvP is going up. If they allow open-world PvP, they should add an option for PvP-haters to ignore all PK requests. In my opinion, PvP should be testing in an arena first.

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you talking about Frontlines? it wont be cross servers you only be fighting with your own world. Yoshi-p hint of allowing the top free companys in each world fight vs other top free company worlds in pvp but i bet that be for live events and so on.

They could allow Frontlines in dungeon finder but yoshi-p said no because he want us to fight with our own world not sure if he change his mind.

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Frontline would not be the only PvP area. There is the Limsa Lominsa arena, too.

I can't stand most pseudo-game style PvP, capture the flag and king of the hill knockoffs, but I hope they make the Coliseum available for PvP battles. Tournaments would be a great addition.

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I can't stand most pseudo-game style PvP, capture the flag and king of the hill knockoffs, but I hope they make the Coliseum available for PvP battles. Tournaments would be a great addition.

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I don't mind about it at all. Tournaments sound nice too but I hope it doesn't end up like FFXI again where no one wants to play PvP anymore.

ok whats the hottest type of pvp's out in the market at the moment? since SE need world class in all department to even thinking about bringing ARR out of SE door.

Thinking about 1 player vs 8 players and give more powers to 1 player. It's gonna be epic!

I am pretty sure Yoshi-P is a hardcore pvp player and he knows something we want or don't want. While they are working on PvP, I believe we have to wait and see until they bring one to us. If we don't like the way they have made, we can always tell them to change it.

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I have played EVE online and I thought the security system is pretty a good idea. For newbies, they are protected when they are near to one of the first three cities. When they walk far and far away their security level is going down and more PvP is going up. If they allow open-world PvP, they should add an option for PvP-haters to ignore all PK requests. In my opinion, PvP should be testing in an arena first.

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yoshi-p said they wont be any open pvp and i'm happy about that i just don't see it working with how ffxiv storyline is yes areas that company fight to control stuff i somewhat agree with and even that seem little dumb seeing how they where all together figthing to save the world but i guess they do hate eachother seeing how she company talk shit about each other in CS lol.

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I don't mind about it at all. Tournaments sound nice too but I hope it doesn't end up like FFXI again where no one wants to play PvP anymore.

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It could happen most of the fan base is FFXI players and don't like PVP. I myself only enjoy playing PVP in WoW or Rift never enjoy it in FFXI. If FFXIV make it good but don't have open pvp/dual system i'll love it i can go to a area and only do PVE stuff then get bored and go to a pvp area and fight there with my friends.

In FFXI it never work because how dam slow the combat is :( i myself play ffxi again and i say how did i enjoy playing this for 6years o.o. I don't like wow speed in combo due to all the pressing keys but i do enjoy ffxiv speed even tho it seem the speed little faster in 2.0 the TP issue would make us not spam all day long so it cancel it out.

Oh boy! Can't wait for all our PvE abilities to be nerfed changed to cater to the PvP audience!

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Oh boy! Can't wait for all our PvE abilities to be nerfed changed to cater to the PvP audience!

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PVP would have it own spells :) so everything that get nerfed only the pvp people would bitch. People like myself who only do pvp casaul for funs once in a while don't have to worry about my PVE spells be nerfed to shit to fix pvp. That one good thing yoshi-p is doing :) so noting to worry about.

The PVP skills need to be separated. Look at how GW1 and GW2 handle PVP for an example.

Also if they do add PVP it needs to be a work in progress and constantly updated, otherwise it'll be unbalanced. If they don't update PVP skills at least monthly, I have no faith in PVP.

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The PVP skills need to be separated. Look at how GW1 and GW2 handle PVP for an example.

Also if they do add PVP it needs to be a work in progress and constantly updated, otherwise it'll be unbalanced. If they don't update PVP skills at least monthly, I have no faith in PVP.

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ya pvp kills would be separated i just don't think pvp would be much of a big deal in FFXIV. If we get a lot of PVP players then ya it would be big for sometime but it may just end up lacking at the end for PVE stuff.

FFXIV is more about story/PVE like ffxi but i don't see why pvp can't be good too as long as there lot of people doing it if there not then it just waste of people to keep updating it.

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you talking about Frontlines? it wont be cross servers you only be fighting with your own world. Yoshi-p hint of allowing the top free companys in each world fight vs other top free company worlds in pvp but i bet that be for live events and so on.

They could allow Frontlines in dungeon finder but yoshi-p said no because he want us to fight with our own world not sure if he change his mind.

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Seeing how Yoshi admitted to playing the "opposition" (GW2, WoW, Tera, w.e?) lol and that Yoshi admitted that he is a huge fan of pvp I think cross server PvP will be very likely (obviously similar to what you said but I'm just say - probably more then a hint :P lol).


I like casual pick up and go PvP and I will look forward to it - I am extremely leery and interested in how the class/job system plays out in PvP though.

I missed the bit where Yoshi said PvP would have its own spells? Where was that?

Well I'd imagine there'll be two type of PVP modes. The huge server vs server, and the more balanced 5v5 (6v6, 7v7, 8v8?) mode.

Server vs Server doesn't really need to be balanced, past how the PVE skills are I mean.

Can't wait for PVP :) I hope the areas we can pvp in have like castles and stuff! Also I wonder if we can fight people cross server. o.ob

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Seeing how Yoshi admitted to playing the "opposition" (GW2, WoW, Tera, w.e?) lol and that Yoshi admitted that he is a huge fan of pvp I think cross server PvP will be very likely (obviously similar to what you said but I'm just say - probably more then a hint :P lol).


I like casual pick up and go PvP and I will look forward to it - I am extremely leery and interested in how the class/job system plays out in PvP though.

I missed the bit where Yoshi said PvP would have its own spells? Where was that?

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Was a interview can't find it atm but he said pvp would have diff spell. Like White mage what would that person do? just heal and cast two element spell over and over again? so he making sure whm have a fighting chance in pvp.

He said at the current time he does not want cross server pvp because he want us to fight within our own world. The PVP system in FFXIV is base around the Company fighting with eachother to control outpost areas in the PVP zones there crystal type outpost. I'm guessing the reason we fighting for it becuase it may give out energy or crystals and in the storyline we made deals with beastmen to give us there crystal but there no longer trading due to them using it to summon there primals in to the world. Getting off topic but ya it's storyline base so he want us to fight with people we know in our own world. He give the idea of allowing top pvp team to cross server fight with other top teams.

But he can change his mind noting is set in stone with it come to cross world pvp :)

i like pvp but i think pvp mmo's and pve ones should be seperate in general, like warhammer ..pvp, ffxiv pve. i'm worried cause as you can see they hyping it and obviously they consider it content. i would of rather have seen 1 more 25man pve content launching over pvp. mmo's with pvp i find usually lack in the pve and vise versa. it's like an excuse to slack or something ...it's like yeah we got crystal towers guys and some dungeons, and are awesome pvp zone that you can spend 6months doing while you wait for new content ...no thanks. i get just as bored of pvp unless it's forever changing and being added new stuff to it and usually its not. but it's still a very cool thing to have. i'll have fun with it for sure. but again it ain't a replacement for real content in a pve mmo.

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PVP would have it own spells :) so everything that get nerfed only the pvp people would bitch. People like myself who only do pvp casaul for funs once in a while don't have to worry about my PVE spells be nerfed to shit to fix pvp. That one good thing yoshi-p is doing :) so noting to worry about.

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I would hope they have the ability to alter skills once you enter a PVP instance, so then outside of PVP they are normal, and inside PVP they are altered to be balanced. It would be perfect.

FF Onlines greats on PVE is old news, but never heard of they being great on PVP's , if yoshi pvp dev-team can pull it out a all rounder noob friendly and with good in-depth, im sure it'll bring in wow/gw2/tera and others players.

In short pvp need to be a good selling point for ARR for bonus subs, if not others will just think is FF mmo another pve only mmo's

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I would hope they have the ability to alter skills once you enter a PVP instance, so then outside of PVP they are normal, and inside PVP they are altered to be balanced. It would be perfect.

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They have new spells only for PVP i said that a few times :) so it's wont be same spell alter they be new spell for PVP. Sure i bet some spell would look the same and do the same thing but it still a new spell.

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FF Onlines greats on PVE is old news, but never heard of they being great on PVP's , if yoshi pvp dev-team can pull it out a all rounder noob friendly and with good in-depth, im sure it'll bring in wow/gw2/tera and others players.

In short pvp need to be a good selling point for ARR for bonus subs, if not others will just think is FF mmo another pve only mmo's

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Problem is the selling point you asking bring bad players and that bad news for us lol at the end people would join ffxiv and leave for wow again or blizzard new mmo. So i do see pvp being fun and great and it may be use a lot i don't see that lasting forever but who knows i may be wrong :) i know that i just enjoy pvp when i'm bored and need to kick the shit out of my friend ass lol.

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ok whats the hottest type of pvp's out in the market at the moment? since SE need world class in all department to even thinking about bringing ARR out of SE door.

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War of Emperium (Ragnarok online)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsAiOk3039Q

I hope the Frontier is during a specific time in the week (WoE was 2 times in the week in Ragnarok online) and not 24/7.
With a specific time in the week people would know "now is PvP time" and enough people for PvP would be there. With 24/7 PvP, the people would be too much distributed in time during the week.

And there need to be a good reward for the winner team/guild.

Oh, and I heard the PvP in DAoC was good and Yoshi-P is a old DAoC PvP player ^^

There haven't been any MMO eSports yet, but GW2 is trying for it with the MOBA like game-mode they have planned.

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I missed the bit where Yoshi said PvP would have its own spells? Where was that?

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In the 2.0 pdf

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Two PvP venues, Coliseum and Frontlines, to be released after version 2.0. Unique zones to be created so as not to affect non-participating players. Release of PvP-specific abilities, gear, and ranking.

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And I hope we get Team vers. Team mode in the arena PvP ^^
Like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u10-g49QINk

MOBA styled pvp is the hottest pvp type right now. I don't play League of Legends but I do play Smite. I think if they can make pvp similar to those games, team and objective based, it'll have alot of replay value and it would constantly be enjoyable.

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BLAH

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Duel, not dual.

why do you think pvp will be pretty big? any interview mentions it? link please

Yeah we totally need more information about PvP. I'm really looking forward to it... and maybe it comes before Diablo III PvP is ready :)

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I have played EVE online and I thought the security system is pretty a good idea. For newbies, they are protected when they are near to one of the first three cities. When they walk far and far away their security level is going down and more PvP is going up. If they allow open-world PvP, they should add an option for PvP-haters to ignore all PK requests. In my opinion, PvP should be testing in an arena first.

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They won't be allowing open/world PvP. They've been clear about that already in the past. So, let's not start getting the PvP-All-The-Time people's hopes up.

I agree with the dueling thing as well. Just leave it out, for the same reason as the person you quoted... the people following you around, spamming duel requests and smack-talking you when you decline. Attacking/killing mobs you're trying to kill for a quest or whatever. I get so sick of that crap in other games. Trolling/Harassment to the extreme.

If people want PvP, there will be the place for them to do so. Let's just leave it at that.

Also, it's been noted by long-time Eve players that the higher sec areas are actually safer from PK than the lower sec.. because the lower sec areas are where they're more likely to be challenged or have their asses kicked. Higher sec areas, they can camp warp-gates and have a chance of escaping.. and the hardcore PK'ers are drawn to that because that's "where all the sheep are".

I've been podded in high sec space a few times myself. And it wasn't even for anything I had on me. I was in a newbie/starter ship. Each time was purely for the yuks of it.

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They have new spells only for PVP i said that a few times :) so it's wont be same spell alter they be new spell for PVP. Sure i bet some spell would look the same and do the same thing but it still a new spell.

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That on the other hand though could be a dual edged sword.

Unless the PVE spell team and the PVP spell teams are totally different, it would take time away from PVE if they are spending all of their time trying to balance a whole different PVP spell set.