Well its ben a week and still there are a few changes. One being the target system. Basicaly its a option between the 1st option we had and the one thay added a month ago.
But after playing the game i have noticed alot of things SE really needs to do to get this bad boy off the ground. Most of what i will say is a broken record i know but bear with me.
First thing. The UI is to small. The party list is small , the Linkshell,battle text is too small and i play on a 32 lcd T.V
Second thing the Linkshell list really REALLY needs to be fixed. After the reset of the servers MORE people have quit. And i really hate seeing all the clutter on my linkshell list with members who do not play anymore.
Third the game is to easy. WAY to easy. When thay added a agro mark on the mob it took away the am i going to die it took away the sport of it all. Most everything in the game you can solo. Party play dosent matter unless your going to kill NMs thats really it. You can solo to 50 you can solo all your missions all your quests. So whats the point in haveing group play or a community of players when everyone can be a solo player.
Fourth This game has no direction. The class's have no real use. No belonging its like there just there. The Agro system is Wack , Hate control is Wack , Econ is Wack , When you get to 40~50 in the game it slows down . Because there is nothing to do. Sure you can level something else to 50 but its the same dull process over and over and over.
Battle regiment system is a good idea but to use it is Wack. First que an attack or spell next WAIT....Then WAit...Then Wait... to see if anyone else is going to que a spell or attack to link with yours all the time your inactive WAITING for someone to link until you cancel it or link it. So what was wrong with Skillchains and magic bursts from 11 again?
In a nuttshell this game will be amazeing IF SE can find its roots. Really i suggest thay go back and play FFXI for 3 weeks. And mix and match things from 11 into 14. Thay had a lot right in 11 and now there fighting over there selves trying to figuer out how to fix 14 when the awnser is right there pokeing them in there eyes. Now im not saying make 14 into 11. What im saying is if the wheel is round why change it.
Simple things are hard to do. And Some things that could be hard to do are easy. If you fail a Mission you can retry it right then and there. In 11 MOst missions if you fail you have to wait 24 hours to reattempt. This is an example of takeing something from 11 and adding it to 14. Along with Chocobos and Airships :P
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04-03-2011, 01:39 AMDarkRain1 week later
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04-03-2011, 01:47 AMCairdeas
No Thanks, A lot of what was wrong with FF11 is what your talking about wanting them to implement.
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04-03-2011, 01:51 AMAbriaelYou answered your own post really. There are several threads on every single topic you passed. So why didn't you just post in them?Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkRain
By the way, you can progress MUCH faster if you group than if you solo. Soloing all the way to 50 is SLOW, even if possible.
So having groups and a community definitely has a meaning. You seem to advocate that players that prefer to solo shouldn't be able to progress in the game.
Which is, by the way, one ofthe worst flaws of FFXI (which I still loved, mind you), it educated many people to think that only their playstyle should be considered valid.
This isn't FFXI, really, that's all there's to it. I played FFXI for six years. Now I'd like to play another game. -
04-03-2011, 01:53 AMDarkRain
so your saying you want a dull dumbed downed water version of a final fantasy game thay is really easy to play and has no sence of accomplishments?
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04-03-2011, 02:02 AMAbriaelYou dodged the argument, and answered with a strawman one. The ability to solo and challenging content arent necessarily in conflict.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkRain
mind you, if you want a really challenging game, MMORPGs aren't exactly the place to look. MMORPGs are. by definition of their gameplay mechanics, all rather easy. The same can be said for FFXI. -
04-03-2011, 02:03 AMCairdeas
No, I'm saying I want a new experience that borrows themes not whole systems.
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04-03-2011, 02:20 AMDarkRainOk........Quote:
Originally Posted by Abriael
Anyways 11 was chalengeing , Sea access anyone? How about Sky , DM? What about the epic fights with that crazy old man Maat? Rhuban?
What i was saying is i dont want 11 but i want what worked in 11. If someone made a ham sandwitch then added roast beef its not a ham sandwitch but it still has ham. So 14 can be a rost beef and ham sandwitch adding in 11s ham. Maybe thats a better way of saying it.
Right now there is NO challenge in 14. You do a mission check your map find the NPC off your map and finsih quest. You do a MIssion Goto the area and solo it easy i havent yet ben killed from doing a mission or a quest solo. And ive done them all solo. As for group play being faster to level Yes it is. But the sad thing is People are quiting droping like flies because the game is easy and boarning. Like now im on the fourms talking wile my Chr. is in the market wards crafting Silver needles +1 and all im going to do is NPC them because the market is flooded. After 50 there is nothing to do. NOTHING.
Also i wanted to add this. Why is it you can pick a battle leve and see if your getting Gild Marks but if you pick a crafting leve it needs to be level 15+ and its a 30% chance you get guild marks. Dosent make sence that again one of them quarks in the game that can be fixed easy. But wont because PvE is more important -
04-03-2011, 02:35 AMAbriaelif you want challenge, try a racing simulator. Those encounters (like all MMORPG encounters) were mostly a matter of time and executing a list of actions found online. May have been challenging for the first few that tried them, but after that they become routine.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkRain
The fact that something worked in another game doesn't mean that different or better solutions cannot be found. Final Fantasy XI is still there. You can still play it.Quote:
What i was saying is i dont want 11 but i want what worked in 11. If someone made a ham sandwitch then added roast beef its not a ham sandwitch but it still has ham. So 14 can be a rost beef and ham sandwitch adding in 11s ham. Maybe thats a better way of saying it.
FFXIV is simply another game.
You're saying that finding an NPC (that most find online anyway) is your idea of challenge?Quote:
Right now there is NO challenge in 14. You do a mission check your map find the NPC off your map and finsih quest.
And what does the lack of endgame content have to do with the ability to solo and the lack of challenge? You seem to be rambling quite aimlessly, to be honest.Quote:
You do a MIssion Goto the area and solo it easy i havent yet ben killed from doing a mission or a quest solo. And ive done them all solo. As for group play being faster to level Yes it is. But the sad thing is People are quiting droping like flies because the game is easy and boarning. Like now im on the fourms talking wile my Chr. is in the market wards crafting Silver needles +1 and all im going to do is NPC them because the market is flooded. After 50 there is nothing to do. NOTHING.
Because crafting leves are class specific. Battle leves are not. Easy.Quote:
Also i wanted to add this. Why is it you can pick a battle leve and see if your getting Gild Marks but if you pick a crafting leve it needs to be level 15+ and its a 30% chance you get guild marks. Dosent make sence that again one of them quarks in the game that can be fixed easy. But wont because PvE is more important
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04-03-2011, 02:40 AMelkhornwere as i like ur post but FFXI used to be a big ass kicker MMO when it came to being challenging pre ToAU and WoTG before the CoP nerf. it used to take major strategies to get balls rolling on NMs missions quests hell even forming a proper Grind PT had to take into the account of DDs what SC would best affect the mob and IF i restate IF you could find a BLM to MB. after ToAU release everything became a retarded boring TP spamfest. god i miss the good old Bibiki bay PTsQuote:
Originally Posted by Abriael
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04-03-2011, 02:42 AMKilta_FirelotusNot like you didn't see it happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkRain
The game was tailored (well now getting tailored) to be less time consuming. Stuff like the aggro Icon just make learning less a kick in the teeth. I rather know what can kill me and learn to avoid it faster. Then spend hours trying to get from point a to point b cuz I kept dieing cuz I couldn't see, or it wasn't obvious that something aggro'ed.
Now not saying I want easy mode. But the faster one can learn to survive the better of we are. In ffxi unless you knew what aggro'ed getting to parties was time consuming and chances are you got replaced. All because either you kept dieing or took the long routes in the zones to avoid aggro.
And the aggro icon don't give any more info other then it will attack you. Its not saying you to avoid it, just saying you need to. -
04-03-2011, 02:53 AMKilta_Firelotus
If i could post a link, so,e guy did a nice talk about demons and how its not that hard.
To paraphrase is a game isn;t hard just cuz you die alot. That demon souls just make death well.. a epic kick in the taco/grapes.
Personally games are as easy or hard as you make it. Games are just suppose to be fun. I find it a lame excuse that an aggro icon takes away fun for ppl. I see nothing wrong with it. Its like checking mobs and seeing them as Increadibly tough. Just minus the checking. Just because the game gives you icon or hints, its not making the game easy mode. Easy mode is having enamies die to fast you level up wicked fast and don't die as much or at all.
I think ppl are letting their hate for WoW ruin their experience for ffxiv. Just play the game and have fun. Stop stressing out over it. -
04-03-2011, 03:16 AMAbriaelI actually played FFXI since before the american launch, so I am actually referring to the first years. I don't even know how it has become lately. And from the little I hear, I probably don't want to.Quote:
Originally Posted by elkhorn
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04-03-2011, 03:23 AMDarkRainNo No you dont.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abriael
Also when i say i want the game like 11 i am also saying like 11 the first 3 ~4 years. I loved how hard things were in the game because when you finished you were like "WOOHOOOO!!!!!" You dont have that fealing in 14 really. Its like ohh ok cool i passed that. 11 is so Jacked up now. Level Synch parties , Abyseea ( witch to me ruined 11) you can go from 75~90 in like 6 or 7 hours. Sea access is duo or soloable now. Most NM/HNM are duo/solo/trio now.
What i miss from 11 that i have yet to find in 14 is how as a group you got something done. And your like hell yeah "WE" did it. Now its like Cool i did it....NOw what? -
04-03-2011, 03:27 AMSeirra_Lanzcei admit, i love those too, but if the game is hindering me from playing the game as fun, then i cant really say i love it. thus the real reason as of now the game isnt fun yet to be played. And still hopping we're able to progress the same as the party plays... . I mean, i dont have the time now to play except 3-4 days in a week, still with the way it is now.. is really hard for me to play :CQuote:
Originally Posted by DarkRain
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04-03-2011, 03:38 AMDarkRain
i guess what gets me i that a MMO never really ends. And people wanna get to the MAx" as fast as thay can. Well if a game never ends per say should it really matter how fast you get there? Like in 11 played 7 years but never once was like ok this game is takeing to long to get the the end...because there was no end. Adding new content makes the game and story neverending. So if it take someone who has less time to play more time to gain a max level IMO ohh well the game isent ending anytime soon your not missing anything. Just that your jurny will take longer but in the end you will make it. Thats how i look at that. Just a side note.
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04-03-2011, 03:39 AMindiraffxi was a better game before TOAU and the cop noob patch, and ffxiv i already see it starting as a easy thoughtless game and becomming even more so in the future thanks to lazy people who dont want to try and play the game just have everything instantly.Quote:
were as i like ur post but FFXI used to be a big ass kicker MMO when it came to being challenging pre ToAU and WoTG before the CoP nerf. it used to take major strategies to get balls rolling on NMs missions quests hell even forming a proper Grind PT had to take into the account of DDs what SC would best affect the mob and IF i restate IF you could find a BLM to MB. after ToAU release everything became a retarded boring TP spamfest. god i miss the good old Bibiki bay PTs
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04-03-2011, 03:41 AMDarkRain
Exactly what i have ben trying to say. Everyone wants everything and thay want it now and thay want it fast and thay dont want to work for it Ala reflection of typical everyday world events right outside your door
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04-03-2011, 03:46 AMJennestiaThat's what Final Fantasy is all about - Pulling from it's predecessors with a new storyline and new character progression system, XIV already has the "new system", now it's time to pull from XI or this game will go no where because XI had all of the basics rights and overwhelming amount of content systems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cairdeas
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04-03-2011, 04:07 AMDarkRainAnd that is what i ment when i say take what works in 11 but dont make 14 11. You take what works and use it. Like all the cosmetics in 14 you could use 11s. ( the controller systems , menu interface , basic functions) And things like Skillchains and majic bursts. Battle regiment is to complex and if you have no one to link with you , your not productive because your in idle mode until you cancle it or link it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jennestia
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04-03-2011, 04:10 AMMalakhimBad idea. You want them to make a good game or slam their faces against a wall in a mix of frustration/boredom?Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkRain
Final Fantasy XI is a dated game, people. I challenge anyone who disagrees to make a new character and try taking it up to 30 with all the context that gaming has gone through since its release.
Also, "watered down Final Fantasy game?"
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04-03-2011, 04:27 AMJennestiaDifficulty is subjective - FFII, FFIII, FFV, FFIX, FFTactics could all be seen as "hard" ones. Every RPG in existence is either easy or hard depending on the player.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malakhim
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04-03-2011, 04:28 AMBetelgeuzahUhhh......Quote:
Originally Posted by Jennestia
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04-03-2011, 04:30 AMRandisAnd now almost another day has passed! And still no changes???????Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkRain
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04-03-2011, 04:32 AMMalakhimEvery RPG that doesn't have enemy level-scaling or imposed level caps is easy, as all you have to do is grind up as high as you can and use the win button.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jennestia
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04-03-2011, 04:34 AMDarkRainDid you play 11?Quote:
Originally Posted by Malakhim
Did you get Sea access befor nerf?
Did you do DM?
Did you play as a blue mage and collect every single spell ?
Now i dont know what your version of hard is but them things there were damn hard to do. And i quit 11 in december soon as you get to level 30 all you do is abyssea to 90. What im saying is play 11 for 3 weeks and see how easy the interface is , how much smoother the simple things like Linkshells , serch, party formation is. You know the freaking basics of 11s system. Not the freaking storyline and crappy graphix.
How hard is it fopr people to understand that simple point. WE DONT WANT 11!! WHAT WE WANT IS THE SYSTEM OF 11. It was never broken and could have ben used here. Thats the wole point. I channenge anyone to play 11 for 12 hours , then play 14 for 12 hours and tell me witch basic system is better. -
04-03-2011, 04:37 AMZaeneBy your own admission then FFXI in its day was hard. CoP capped fights, (which mind you were some of the most fun quests I've ever done in any game.) BCNMs capped or not, Maat fight, etc, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malakhim
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04-03-2011, 04:38 AMMalakhimIncidentally I necromanced my FFXI account last night to try to start up a new character and catch up with some friends. Getting from lvl.1 - 15 was just as painful as I remember it.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkRain
Final Fantasy XI isn't hard and it never was hard. It was a frustrating timesink.
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04-03-2011, 04:48 AMTsuchi
I'm not looking to start a debate of any sort, I just want to bring something to attention on the topic of challenge in FFXIV in comparison to FFXI.
If you were to take a step back and look at FFXI, is there anything challenging prior to level 50 Pre-expansion, pre-content addition, anyhow?
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04-03-2011, 04:49 AMDarkRainWell if you had issues getting from 1~15 and it was hard im sorry that getting 15 levels was hard. Also in that statement im going to guess you never did DM , nor had sea access , nor did dynamiss? Because them were some hard things to do. I mean not as hard as gaining 15 levels but man thay were close......Quote:
Originally Posted by Malakhim
Also
also if you arnt understanding the chaenge ill respell it out and ill maek big spaces so people can understand because i know im not speaking proper english so here again is the challenge.
GO PLAY 11 FOR 12 HOURS THEN PLAY 14 AND THEN TELL ME WITCH BASIC SYSTEM IS BETTER!
And ill add this by basic system this is what i mean
DO A SERCH , MAKE A LINKSHELL , USE THE AH , GO CHECK BAZAARS , MOVE AROUND THE WORLD, USE THE MENUES , DO A SKILLCHAIN , TARGET A MOB , TARGET A PC IN A PARTY WILE FIGHING A MOB.
Ok hope this FINALY clears the air on what WE the true players of FFXI and the seriers in general are screaming about.We want 14 to be EPIC! IF we dident we wouldent be so vocial about it. If you cant understand this really go jump off a bridge because you have no clue what were asking SE then. Nor do you have any idea about 11s BASIC systems -
04-03-2011, 04:58 AMtrinta
If it takes you 29 posts before you can finally say what it is you want, I don't think you're in the right to tell anyone else to go jump off a bridge.
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04-03-2011, 04:59 AMderekx
People are making this too black and white. Stop polarizing the issue. Even a FFXI-2 with a modern implementation wouldn't be a rehash of FFXI. The world has changed too much in 8 years. It is okay to want something different and want FFXI-2 at the same time. They are not mutually exclusive.
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04-03-2011, 05:08 AMMalakhim
Did he just say "true" fan?
I don't really think telling you my FFXI history would satisfy you, but suffice to say "necromancy" is the act of bringing something to life that had previously existed.
Bro, I couldn't play through another 12 hours if someone paid me. The game is a slow timesink. There is no other challenge than to your patience, which as a busy adult, as opposed to a masochistic highschool senior/bachelor student when I first started FFXI, I have little of. -
04-03-2011, 05:31 AMDarkRain
ill do everyones homework for them and show you wha im talking about.
Ok so this link is a White Mage in FF11 healing her party. Now what i want you to focus on is how she targets , picks her spells from her menue and the over all control of 11.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQve387CwuY
Now lets look at a DD in a Dynamiss party because this will show how crazy things can get. But i want you to Focus on again the target system , menue controll as a DD.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaTZB...eature=related
Notice how fluid the menue and target system is
Now lets look at Something Complex we will Use DM fight because the fight isent HARD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCX-xE5asPc
Again Notice how Fluid the menue is.And changeing gear on the fly was
Now lets look at 14
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UeEkqtzRnQ
This is from Behist only because most 11 links are of a 16 man party this would be close to the same thing notice targeting
Now take what you know also about useing the basic system in 14 i still like meny think 11s was perfect as it was -
04-03-2011, 05:33 AMBetelgeuzah
FFXI targeting wouldn't work well for multi-monster encounters. Dynamis was already awful enough.
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04-03-2011, 05:34 AMDarkRainI can understand you have no time to play 14 or 11 but its a MMo it never ends so getting everything in 6 months or 1 year really whats the difference. The game is still there like 11 8 years later still there. But thats not the point the point me and 90% of everyone else is makeing is the accual system not the story , not the gameplay backround its the system.Quote:
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04-03-2011, 05:50 AMJinko
This whole thread smells of nostalgia, FF11's ship has sailed, best leave it in the past where it belongs.
I had some amazing times playing FF11 but i had just as many frustrating ones aswell.
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04-03-2011, 08:21 AMNepheraAyupQuote:
Originally Posted by Malakhim
basically we're at a point in time where the previous generation of gamers doesnt have time because they grew up and got jobs and had kids, and the next are rather young and impatient.
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04-03-2011, 09:31 AMEvenstar
Congratulations on making another very useful and unique topic. We didn't had one already.