Will water spells ever come back?

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10-15-2012, 03:29 AM
Naraku_Diabolos

Will water spells ever come back?

As the title states, does anyone think that the water magic spells and abilities will make a comeback in ARR? I know that it's been stated that Cure is water-based for CNJ/WHM, though they never got Water when the elemental wheel was split between CNJ/WHM/THM/BLM. If it does come back, which jobs do you think the water spells and abilities can go to? Possibly CNJ/WHM to make the split more appealing, and other new classes and jobs. Truth is, after Water was removed from our current game, I know that a lot of the weaknesses for monsters and bosses were changed. Like Ifrit being weak to Wind as an example.
10-15-2012, 03:31 AM
Felis

Why not?
Maybe not with the launch, but later

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I know that a lot of the weaknesses for monsters and bosses were changed. Like Ifrit being weak to Wind as an example.

This isn't new, it was since beta this way
Fire is strong against ice. Ice is strong against wind. Wind is strong against fire.
Earth is strong against lightning. Lightning is strong against water. Water is strong against earth.
10-15-2012, 03:43 AM
Naraku_Diabolos

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Originally Posted by Felis

Why not?
Maybe not with the launch, but later

This isn't new, it was since beta this way
Fire is strong against ice. Ice is strong against wind. Wind is strong against fire.
Earth is strong against lightning. Lightning is strong against water. Water is strong against earth.

Ah, I wasn't really sure. I thought it followed the same elemental wheel that we had in FFXI. But if there are two cycles like that (being two elmental wheels instead of being one continuous one like in FFXI), then why have it that way?
10-15-2012, 03:45 AM
yukikaze_yanagi

the official reason is because they're planning to reintroduce it later with some new class
10-15-2012, 04:29 AM
Tonkra

which doesnt make it better.. they cut water out because of the "every class should have the same amount of skills" "shit" ;XD
10-15-2012, 05:02 AM
Elexia

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

which doesnt make it better.. they cut water out because of the "every class should have the same amount of skills" "shit" ;XD

This is due to people complaining we had "too many spells/abilities"...I mean yeah in XI you had hundreds and no one really complained beyond their potency lol. Like Blue Mages have a TON of spells you rarely if at all ever use simply due to their potency levels and limited equip space, but in XIV it didn't matter because like BLU you can pick what you want for whatever situation.
10-15-2012, 05:10 AM
indira

whats the point of even having elements if everything is so limited.
10-15-2012, 02:49 PM
Dzian

I hope arr rebalances the elements. even doing things like the whm final af. you think logically using fire on the ice elemental would smash it but thunder still wins by a long shot. there's a hundred other examples but thats the main one that comes to mind because you'd think that would be an ideal fight to demonstrate the elemntal wheel
10-15-2012, 07:09 PM
Colino

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Originally Posted by Dzian

I hope arr rebalances the elements. even doing things like the whm final af. you think logically using fire on the ice elemental would smash it but thunder still wins by a long shot. there's a hundred other examples but thats the main one that comes to mind because you'd think that would be an ideal fight to demonstrate the elemntal wheel

That's mostly because THM/BLM DPS is very poorly balanced making most spells useless except for Thunder combo.
10-15-2012, 08:30 PM
Andrien

this thread again.

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

There aren't any water-based attack spells, but conjurers do control water-based spells. The break down of elements are as follows:
CNJ: Water/Wind/Earth
THM: Fire/Ice/Lightning

Also, there are no paralyze/poison/silence/absorb/slow and there aren't any plans to implement them before the launch of version 2.0. However, as we move forward, if it becomes absolutely necessary to utilize them, we will look into it.

CNJ/WHM have water based spells but its not an attack spell. In this case its in the form of Cure.

If I'm wrong then may the reps correct me now.
10-15-2012, 09:18 PM
Holy_Dragoon

You are 100% right. Want to test it yourself? Add water magic potency to a conjurer's Wand of Tides. (or any wand for that matter) You'll notice a difference in your curing.
10-16-2012, 02:24 AM
Naraku_Diabolos

I just find it odd that they took out Water completely. I mean, what is the reason why they took out one element? Even if they were limiting the move pools, it still does not make any sense to remove the attacking spell.
10-16-2012, 02:31 AM
Forerunner

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Originally Posted by Holy_Dragoon

You are 100% right. Want to test it yourself? Add water magic potency to a conjurer's Wand of Tides. (or any wand for that matter) You'll notice a difference in your curing.

Leviathan weapons to all come with +100 Healing Magic pot. then? :P
10-16-2012, 02:40 AM
Ladon

Betting water/ice will be the primary DD for Arcanist along with many of the DoTs that were removed as usable skills.
10-16-2012, 02:58 AM
Hanabira

the only thing that bothers me about removing all water spells.. leaving it in the elemental wheels.. and leaving water magic attack potency in the game...
10-16-2012, 03:56 AM
Kerwin

I'm selling water scrolls if anyone is interested. I miss some spells and abilities we had early in XIV. Shock Spikes included.
10-16-2012, 09:43 AM
Estellios

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Originally Posted by Holy_Dragoon

You are 100% right. Want to test it yourself? Add water magic potency to a conjurer's Wand of Tides. (or any wand for that matter) You'll notice a difference in your curing.

Uh.. what? Was this tested recently, because ever since that dev statement people have tried Water potency with Cure and have proven it made no difference.

I figured water-based spells would show up in ARR since they are apparently planning to increase the amount of spells available for both Disciples of Magic. I don't think Arcanist would get attack spells since they are DoT-focused, although it remains to be seen what the Caster Carbuncle is capable of doing.
10-16-2012, 10:02 AM
KaiserDrill

The teaser site says cnj are masters of earth wind and water magic. Maybe cnj spell in 2.0
10-16-2012, 10:21 AM
Elexia

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Originally Posted by KaiserDrill

The teaser site says cnj are masters of earth wind and water magic. Maybe cnj spell in 2.0

They stated that it wasn't necessarily attack spells that are water based.
10-16-2012, 03:48 PM
darkstarpoet1

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Originally Posted by Estellios

Uh.. what? Was this tested recently, because ever since that dev statement people have tried Water potency with Cure and have proven it made no difference.

I figured water-based spells would show up in ARR since they are apparently planning to increase the amount of spells available for both Disciples of Magic. I don't think Arcanist would get attack spells since they are DoT-focused, although it remains to be seen what the Caster Carbuncle is capable of doing.

that will depend on the gearset the whm is using. for example if they are wearing just basic af they are already over the cure cap so you won't see any increase over that. the cap to cure is actually quite low and easily reached for a whm.