Release FFXI again

STOP!

Before you all flame, let me make this perfectly clear:

I AM NOT POSTING ABOUT FFXIV BEING ANYTHING LIKE FFXI AT ALL

Now onto the point of this thread...

There's no escaping the blatantly obvious fact that most of you have played FFXI and most of you who have are no longer playing FFXI. The fact we have up to 300-post-count threads (or more) on the subject of FFXI-2 is a clear indication of that (not to mention the poll that also further indicated that).

Truth is, you're just sick and tired of FFXI. The game is dated, the interface is intolerable, the graphics (not that they matter) blow, and (possibly) the level cap increase is what tipped over your decision.

Don't feel ashamed. I'm on your side! But instead of begging for FFXIV to change, why not beg for another release of FFXI?

I'm talking about a whole re-release of the same game - different servers, updated graphics, updated UI, different platforms (PS3 or whatever). Hell, they can even be progression-lockout servers for all I care. They could even redesign/rebalance jobs and abilities right from scratch. Best of all: no PS2 limitations, reselling the title will generate more revenue, and people can just choose between FFXI or FFXIV - everybody wins!

Let's face it, people loved FFXI! would you play it again if it were newer/better?

Go forth and discuss this!

I think SE have their hands full with FF14 to make a seperate version of FF11 HD.

That will take too long :c I just want them to make XIV more like XI. the end.

I say SE pumps out XIV then after the game is stable work on a FFXI-2 bring back vanadiel in a new beautiful game. >.>

I know that the magnitude of a revamp like this would be massive, but I'd play an updated XI over XIV anyday.
IMO, the gameplay elements that make up XI is the best MMO setting ever, but I feel estranged after being spoiled by next generation graphics and faster gameplay.
That being said, I don't want XIV to be XI-2, I would rather it be it's spiritual successor and start to become more unique after the ground work has been laid out.

I just don't know how you can contradict yourself without even knowing it. x-x;;

You say that the graphics don't matter in FFXI, then what else could possibly go "right" if they re-released FFXI again? All it would have is new graphics, which, don't really matter, right?

I can assume you also mean a change in battle tempo, a few changes here and there to the mechanics, etc. But honestly, I'm just not sure I'd be able to accept playing another FFXI again.

All you are wanting is this game to get better. No matter which way you go, you're going to have to wait. In this case, you'd have to wait about another year for them to re-release FFXI. Whatever FFXIV has right now is either being changed or overhauled completely. Why in the world would you scrap any of it? Almost the whole game is being redesigned for us anyways. :P

Of course, you would think that using the same ideas from FFXI would be great to make this game better. Yes, "currently" it would make it better, but I really have a hard time believing that it would do great for the game in the long run.

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Originally Posted by RockVolnutt

I don't want XIV to be XI-2, I would rather it be it's spiritual successor and start to become more unique after the ground work has been laid out.

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^ This right here.

I wish. FFXI was so much better than whatever this is. The armor was way more interesting, the lore was definitely there, the races were more interesting to look at... Even the environments were cooler. At least in FFXI the environments didn't obviously repeat. =\

FFXIV will probably end up being a less hardcore version of FFXI, and I'm okay with that.

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Originally Posted by Nuru

I just don't know how you can contradict yourself without even knowing it. x-x;;

You say that the graphics don't matter in FFXI, then what else could possibly go "right" if they re-released FFXI again? All it would have is new graphics, which, don't really matter, right?

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New storyline/timeline, same world, new mechanics, new jobs, better character customization and much MUCH more. The graphics would just be something expected being a SE title and all.

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Originally Posted by Shelia

The armor was way more interesting

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Lies! >.> Only in end game they were. FFXIV has no endgame armor yet, so you cant really compare. :P + you insult my favorite artist. TT^TT

Hard to say...

FFXI w/ 8 years of content vs. FFXIV with 6 months of content = FFXI
FFXI w/ 8 years of content vs FFXIV with 8 years of content = FFXIV. (Hands Down.)

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Originally Posted by Nuru

Lies! >.> Only in end game they were. FFXIV has no endgame armor yet, so you cant really compare. :P + you insult my favorite artist. TT^TT

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Shall I drag them to the gallows?

I like the idea of FFXI-2, but I always thought that FFXI was too time consuming to get much done within a reasonable time. Don't get me wrong I want a challenging game, but not one where it takes 30 minutes to an hour to get a solid party and then staying in party for a few hours if your lucky to get a single level. Not to mention painfully long quests to get a map as a reward. I think they should make it a less time consuming. That's what I like about FFXIV is that I can get on and actually get several things accomplished in the same time it took me on 11 to get a party and get that one level.

Wouldn't this be better suited on the XI forums?

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Originally Posted by Nuru

You say that the graphics don't matter in FFXI, then what else could possibly go "right" if they re-released FFXI again? All it would have is new graphics, which, don't really matter, right?

I can assume you also mean a change in battle tempo, a few changes here and there to the mechanics, etc. But honestly, I'm just not sure I'd be able to accept playing another FFXI again.

All you are wanting is this game to get better. No matter which way you go, you're going to have to wait. In this case, you'd have to wait about another year for them to re-release FFXI. Whatever FFXIV has right now is either being changed or overhauled completely. Why in the world would you scrap any of it? Almost the whole game is being redesigned for us anyways. :P

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Graphics don't matter to me. They can matter to others tho. That would still be in the list for a remake tho.

I'm not suggesting changing the battle tempo either. I'm suggesting making most of the game's core mechanics the same, only tweaking things like abilities to work in the long run, perhaps a smoother level curve (instead of a sudden jump in exp requirement after level 50), or level sync from release.

FFXIV will still always be different from FFXI no matter what they do with it. That other 20 percent or so of those who haven't played FFXI are still an influential chunk.

Yup, it might very well be too early to ask for this, but it doesn't hurt to suggest the idea.

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Originally Posted by Nuru

Lies! >.> Only in end game they were. FFXIV has no endgame armor yet, so you cant really compare. :P + you insult my favorite artist. TT^TT

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but all of the stuff looks the same right now, even the lv42/50 armor. D:

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Originally Posted by Shelia

but all of the stuff looks the same right now, even the lv42/50 armor. D:

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Majority of XI's armor was the same way as well

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Originally Posted by Shelia

but all of the stuff looks the same right now, even the lv42/50 armor. D:

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What you mean to say is, all the stuff that is "useful" looks the same right now. There's a lot of useless junk in the game right now that all looks different from each other - now if only there was a reason to wear it...

If only there was another game that had a variety of "useful" gear with different appearances... oh wait, there is! Now they just need to re-release it for higher-quality systems.

^ What Corrderio said. Maybe not to the extent as FFXIV has it, but in FFXIV, it wasn't just color changes. The armors actually look a little different from the next. ex. The Mage hat from Hempen to Canvas, slightly tilted a different style.

Simple things like that. Plus you are comparing FFXIV's 6 month status to a game that has been out for 8 years x-x

EDIT: so what i get so far is that you want the same look and appeal of ffxi (not the graphics). Same culture, same world, possibly even new areas to explore. Get rid of the WotG and Abyssea alternate worlds though.

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Originally Posted by Galamantyl

If only there was another game that had a variety of "useful" gear with different appearances... oh wait, there is! Now they just need to re-release it for higher-quality systems.

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Like onion gaskins...

I love those pants, but they're terrible stat-wise. ; w;

Who knows? maybe the stats for some gear may change in the future. Some items are useless right now because they were implemented when the game was being ran by someone who envisioned this game to be made for a more RP-Oriented crowd. With that being said, customization was key to this aspect.

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Originally Posted by Nuru

Lies! >.> Only in end game they were. FFXIV has no endgame armor yet, so you cant really compare. :P + you insult my favorite artist. TT^TT

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Ask me how long I had to wear the ugly orange shirt for!!!! :eek: It was there in my early levels and then it appeared again in my middle levels! Different shirt exact same design. Ohh dear.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...9-14-39-60.jpg

Yeah, but I mean...

Iunno. I really liked this
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/images/fa...Mana-Tunic.jpg

as opposed to this
http://ffxiv.zam.com/Im/image/179480


Seen here, FFXI armor looked a lot less bland and more "fantasy", even though we didn't get to dye them. I'm not even talking about later level gear in XI's instance. That tunic is lv8 and it looks better than XIV's (and it doesn't make me look bald... lol). XIV's armor just feels like the same thing every couple levels BUT OH LOOK brighter colors!! ...You know? I'd rather have interesting looking gear than have brighter colors every couple levels. lol

I wanted an HD FFXI for a long time. It would probably take years of man hours though. Even Blizzard won't re-release wow and that game makes billions. The thing with FFXI is that they would have to update a lot of the grinds for re-release because today it would be very anachronistic. I think the level of thinking prevalent at SE today will kill this possibility in the near future though.

Honestly, I'd totally go for this.

I would like FFXI HD or FFXI-2 aswell. If they just built off of the lore XI started instead of something new we wouldn't have most of these problems we have now. Everyone would love to see and hear about what happened to their fave NPC 10,000 years from the current day in XI not to mention it would fit right in with the empire and new technology. And it's not earth so changing around the continents and making them different places would be easy enough to fit in. ifrit's cauldron could have erupted and turned the jungle into something like pompeii an ash land of petrified ton-berry's hell even adventurers.

Hmm... Well, to be honest, I loved FFXI. Not going to even try to deny it. It's my favorite MMO, period.

That being said, I've done enough in FFXI for it to be old now. I've played most of the classes as far as I want to take them, and I've done all the missions I can do.

What I really want is for the same quality of craftsmanship put into FFXI to be present in FFXIV. I want a good story. I want a class system that isn't catering to people with mental disabilities. I want almost everything that FFXI had, but better.

The absolute worst thing about FFXI was how long it took to get something accomplished. That's why only hard-core players could really get far in it. Most classes had to group together and be efficient in getting high EXP/hour. Unfortunately, the major reason I quit FFXI was I stopped having the time to play it for hours on end.

FFXIV was advertised as FFXI for people with little time to play. Why did SE lie?! Every time I log into FFXIV, I just sigh and wonder about it being feasible to rejoin FFXI. But then I remember how long it takes to level, and the fact that I've done most of the content in the game.... I'm just looking for something that is new, but has the same caliber of quality that FFXI did.

If they remade FFXI, I'd probably play it. But I would like to have new objectives. I left a little bit before they increased the level cap, because I didn't have the time to really play anymore, and I felt like I had already "done" most everything. RoZ, CoP, ToA, WotG.... I think the only thing I hadn't done was get Rank 10 in each country, but that's not a good enough reason to stay in the game.

The mini-packs were cool, though. But I don't think I'd want to see too many more of them. It kind of sucked that I had to pay for a mini-expansion that just gave better gear.

I want adventure! I want epic battles! I want some air-ships and chocobos! And I want my &@^! pimp-hat! (And to actually be a Red Mage, and not this crap we have for classes).

Anyone else feel that way?

i really really miss my optical hat from XI. if i could just have that again i'd be perfectly happy.

They chose to make XIV purely because they didn't want to upgrade XI and outdate the PS2.

To do that they have to cancel PS2 which they wont. They can't recode it for the ps3 because it would take too long for that they make a new game for the ps3 which is FFXIV. I think FFXI is dead and just should leave it as it is now there noting else they can do for it.

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Originally Posted by Keith_Dragoon

Shall I drag them to the gallows?

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Nah just let em walk the plank!
But seriously lol, when i first saw FFXIV i was hoping it was going to be FFXI-2, when i saw the same races in the teaser trailer i thought it was going to be Vana'diel but like waaaay far in the past or something, then i saw that "Project Rapture" video and thought that would be one of the starting cities in FFXIV, but it wasnt which made me kinda sad :( so if they make this game more similar to FFXI i wouldnt mind :P.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

To do that they have to cancel PS2 which they wont. They can't recode it for the ps3 because it would take too long for that they make a new game for the ps3 which is FFXIV. I think FFXI is dead and just should leave it as it is now there noting else they can do for it.

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Agreed. It was fun while it lasted but now it should be left as a good memory. I think if they tried to recreate XI the game would fail more than XIV. Also, if they truly made it a sequel and pushed forward time people would find other reasons not to like it and say "XI was better SE you suck!"

XI had it's sights on the Hardcore player base way too much which is why now the content is so watered down just to survive.

Ignoring FFXI for options in FFXIV is retarded.
Ignoring WoW for options in FFXIV is retarded.

If they want to do something new thats great, but core "Features" need to be carried over.
Features are not gameplay, like party searching from ffxi is a feature, a well done one and should have been carried over. Oh wait, it WAS carried over, now the argument is different. The implementation of the feature (Party searching) is so poor the feature isn't used. That doesn't mean people wouldn't use it. Everyone used this in XI, tons of people use it in wow for instances too.
XIV needs to overhaul the party search feature because people want it, but not how it was currently designed, this is why no one uses it.

Auto walk from Atlantica is a feature, and should have been carried over.

PVP battlegrounds from WoW is NOT a feature, Ballista from FFXI is NOT a feature.
PvP "IS" a feature. That is carried between almost all MMO's in some form.
Do you see people complain because FFXI had PvP its just like WoW? No, because although a feature remains the same, the actual implementation of it is so different you don't think of it as a copy cloned thing etc.
NO, cause again, it, is, a, feature.

When someone has been referencing something from FFXI it has been a feature. Not carrying over "features" is ignoring what they learned from the history of another game, back peddling.

I don't see anyone saying I wish my sword swung this way, or I want Slug Shot on archer yada yada, those are gameplay mechanics not features.

Everyone saying this is not FFXI is failing to see this point. NO ONE wants XIV to be XI, they want the features to be carried over from XI and any other MMO that had useful TOOLS. They have nothing to do with the core game play.
Try to open your eyes a little more to see this.

The same thing is going on with Square-Enix's (publisher only) other MMO Wakfu, they f'd up and didn't bother to include an AH and people are going ape-shi* about it. Among other things. And the devs refuse to respond to it so people are trying to refer to FFXIV in hoping the devs learn from the history of MMO's this decade and the previous.
Yet every time someone mentions XIV its the "This isn't XIV or XI" response.
That response is only appropriate when it pertains to a gameplay mechanic, 95% of the time its used it is used incorrectly.

Transferring a feature from one game to another is in no way just recreating one game into another.
If the copied content, such as if people demanded Dynamis in XIV from XI, then yes, that would be the time to say this is not XI. Dynamis was not a feature and should remain specific to XI. Large scale Linkshell PvE battles however are a feature that should be carried over in XIV in a different form.

Auto-attacking is a feature that directly impacts gameplay mechanics though, this one is tricky, however given that most other MMO's also have auto attack and are not deemed copies of another game (well, some), this is leaning more towards an acceptable carry over feature.

Some times there are people in that why can't parties be like this, or monsters like that cause things are too easy yada yada, they should only have 6 man parties with tough monsters. Well that is a perfect example of a time to use that statement above.
Not a feature.

Sorry just so sick of people saying this is not XI if it was only referencing a feature.
It could have been any MMO out there.

One day if XIV implements level sync, are you going to post topics that claim them to just be copying XI again?
If other MMO's used level sync as a feature, would your answer be different?

If the answer to the first question is yes, then you are someone who incorrectly uses the statement "This is not XI"

Understand yes? kk

I am all for every single feature from FFXI being implemented into FFXIV, but I don't want to play a clone.
Just as most people in here said, new areas, new lore, new everything, but SAME features as xi. And this game would be golden.

^ What that guy said


Though at this point, I doubt anything they wanted to implement into the game would've mattered... there's no doubt that they had to have fallen behind schedule somehow judging by the state the game has been since release (though as to "why" is still a mystery...)

This thread has my complete approval. FFXI-2 or bust!

in the end, you will need to wait another 8 years or so, for the team to be able to make another MMO.

If they wanted to do this, it could be another project, you know. They wouldn't have to drop FFXI. They wouldn't have to drop FFXIV. They could actually even call the game FFXI-2... hell, they've done it for FFX and FFXIII now, so why not FFXI? The company is huge and has many dev teams, so it would be quite possible to make it parallel.

Now that being said, would I play it? Probably not. And here's the reason.

I would only play it if it could be released before FFXIV gets "fixed". Which just wouldn't happen. FFXIV is already on track to become a great game, and it couldn't possibly take them as long to fix it as it would to make FFXI-2.

Also, from a business standpoint, it wouldn't make any sense. At that point, they'd basically be giving up on FFXIV and would be better off canceling it altogether to make a FFXI-2. And I guarantee you there are a lot of players that wouldn't want that.