Luminary Tools ... are not any good :|

Lets compare:

Getting Luminary tool over double melding a high tool.

1- The time require to get one.
2- The gills needed to finish one.
3- Effort for looking to the recipe list.


I already got 2 and third on the way .. and got shocked that double melded are almost the same.:(

it is easier to get luminary crafting tools, than luminary gathering tools.

which is not fair

None of the trophy items in this game are good.

But they're shiny.


*<3's his golden rod*

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Originally Posted by Andrien

it is easier to get luminary crafting tools, than luminary gathering tools.

which is not fair

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Synthesis is overall easier than gathering, that's not only the tool part :p

I really hope they can be "upgraded" when the level cap raises because I agree, they're not very good.

They're just achievement rewards, not meant to be the best things ever..no upgrade necessary honestly. If you look at the requirements of synthesis for one it's literally designed in the way you'll get it shortly after hitting 50 if you don't strictly level on 10+ recipes over your current level.

Really, only the people who were long capped by their introduction had to grind for it but you can do every tool cheaply, even using the previous items you made for the next range. Gathering classes only does one thing: Gather, so of course it's a different set of requirements :|

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Originally Posted by Cynthis

I really hope they can be "upgraded" when the level cap raises because I agree, they're not very good.

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I imagine it's like a milestone, with a better tool to be obtained from later achievements (with cap increase and new achievements.) I figure the same thing will happen with AF and the paragon crown too.

Only time will tell. :)

Meh all in all the only one I want is the Pan

As has been said, crafters have it easy, its the gathering tools that are really time consuming.

And as others have said they are designed as trophy items, to show off, "look at ma shiny" however they are usable for example if someone cannot be bothered to double meld luminary is still acceptable.

Don't dare u to make them good SE, or I'll have to craft like mad, losing my time to get them.
Please don't.
Thank you

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Originally Posted by Rak_Boy

Lets compare:
got shocked that double melded are almost the same.:(

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Honestly, who cares about the stats of high level crafting tools?
If you use that class for synthing an item < level 40: Hasty Hand works with any tool.
If you use that class for synthing an item > level 40: 4x progress ability like in Hamlet and you will never fail, too.

No matter if luminary tool or triple meld - both are just status items.

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Originally Posted by SolArisa

Honestly, who cares about the stats of high level crafting tools?
If you use that class for synthing an item < level 40: Hasty Hand works with any tool.
If you use that class for synthing an item > level 40: 4x progress ability like in Hamlet and you will never fail, too.

No matter if luminary tool or triple meld - both are just status items.

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I'm talking about HQ

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Originally Posted by Antipika

Synthesis is overall easier than gathering, that's not only the tool part :p

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Hardly lol - meaning that its not just the synthesis (which I agree with that anyways ^_^)


For a gathering tool you have to get
20 (Grade 1), 300 (2), 1000 (3), 2000 (4), 4000 (5) for each zone (Limsa, Grid, Ul'd so you have to get 12,000 grade 5's).

Gathering takes a much more focused minigame so you cant watch a movie and gather effectively like you can crafting crap (like you pointed out already). But also you have a significantly larger resource count to acquire. (Sure you can say crafters have to buy their resources, but most crafters craft the really cheap stuff to get luminary gear, its not really expensive at all - or they do it during hamlet).

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Hardly lol - meaning that its not just the synthesis (which I agree with that anyways ^_^)


For a gathering tool you have to get
20 (Grade 1), 300 (2), 1000 (3), 2000 (4), 4000 (5) for each zone (Limsa, Grid, Ul'd so you have to get 12,000 grade 5's).

Gathering takes a much more focused minigame so you cant watch a movie and gather effectively like you can crafting crap (like you pointed out already). But also you have a significantly larger resource count to acquire. (Sure you can say crafters have to buy their resources, but most crafters craft the really cheap stuff to get luminary gear, its not really expensive at all - or they do it during hamlet).

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That's just what I said? Synthesis is easier than gathering.

I'm not sure what the problem is with watching a movie and gathering

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Originally Posted by Churchill

I'm not sure what the problem is with watching a movie and gathering

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Maybe im just specuizl

But to stay effective gathering I cant look away without missing some items.

Crafting you can just hit the enter button over and over again. Or if its a lower level enter up arrow enter to get your hasty hands done.

Crafting is significantly easier, and faster to do while not paying attention - in my opinion.


@Antipika

Yeah while I wrote that post I thought you were saying something else, then I realized you weren't. So i modified some of the sentences to say that we have similar points. Synthesis is easier then gathering BUT also that gathering achievement requires more work in the first place, so its a double wammy.

They're gold, and larger than normal tools.. so they are better regardless of stats!

2.0 is mixing everything up. For all anyone knows, they could suddenly become marginally better than double melds.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

They're just achievement rewards, not meant to be the best things ever..

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This ^^^^^

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Originally Posted by Raldo

2.0 is mixing everything up. For all anyone knows, they could suddenly become marginally better than double melds.

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Given how difficult they are to get...i don't think a double meld is a good comparison. you can get a good double meld for like 3-4m. or roughly a day of hard farming.

given how difficult they are to get, and the hours required to get them, i'd say it should be worth at least a solid tripple meld.

you have to gather about 21,960 times to get one. Fishing would be the easiest one to obtain, because at least you don't have to run around a ton between nodes. you can find one body and sit.

but even if you are getting 2 catches a minute. you're looking at around 183 hours of fishing. and that's lowballing it by a pretty extreme amount, because it's assuming perfect catches every time. you're probably looking more along the lines of 250 hours. to me that sounds like it should be DAMN near relic status. given that gathering classes don't' really have relics. the luminary stuff should be right up there.

given that crafting is FAR far easier to get and the stats between the two are comparable, it certainly doesn't seem fair to the DoLs.

Saying achievement rewards are not meant to be the best thing ever is fine. but why can't they be? who dictated that all achievement rewards have to be crappy town gear? that's like saying these tools are for botters only because they're the only ones that would actually attempt it given the crappy stats and the amount of time you need to invest.

Gold tools should have a special bonus to them. Something like... Materia Meld+1% or..

Randomly increases Quility during standard/careful/rapid etc. The Increase would be like +10% but 1/4 chance.

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Originally Posted by Venat

Gold tools should have a special bonus to them. Something like... Materia Meld+1% or..

Randomly increases Quility during standard/careful/rapid etc. The Increase would be like +10% but 1/4 chance.

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No thanks. Let's not give the botters any more advantages.

I am hoping for crafting/gathering AF tools in ARR that makes these gold tools worthless.

Not everyone botted to get one, but, okay champ.

I never said they did, but I'm sure 95% of them did and that's enough reason to not give them super bonuses. Crafting is boring enough as it is without performing 6000 synths or whatever for no benefit just to get a shiny tool. Most people will bot that, just because they can. Most of the rest will bot it just because they feel screwed over by SE not taking into account any synths they performed to get to 50.

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Originally Posted by Xenor

I never said they did, but I'm sure 95% of them did and that's enough reason to not give them super bonuses. Crafting is boring enough as it is without performing 6000 synths or whatever for no benefit just to get a shiny tool. Most people will bot that, just because they can. Most of the rest will bot it just because they feel screwed over by SE not taking into account any synths they performed to get to 50.

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I don't usually comment on assumptions, and speculations but can you prove the validity of your induction?

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Originally Posted by Andrien

I don't usually comment on assumptions, and speculations but can you prove the validity of your induction?

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Can you prove me wrong? I mean, what kind of question is that? Everyone knows the crafting scene was riddled with botters and still is, so it's a fair assumption to make. However without installing a CCTV camera infront of every player's screen it's impossible to "prove" one way or the other. Surely you understand this?

Actually the Pick of the Luminary isn't that bad stat wise. Its better then my current single melded pick +1 which has one perception +5 on it. I would have to meld another perception, a gathering, and a vitality to come close, and the Luminary also has +10 mind.

If its for SHOW as some of u said so ..
They should at least make it easier to get .. rather than spending days and gils for something isnt 1/3 good

I use my Luminary alc tool over a melded one cause it looks hawt.

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Originally Posted by Sartori

Actually the Pick of the Luminary isn't that bad stat wise. Its better then my current single melded pick +1 which has one perception +5 on it. I would have to meld another perception, a gathering, and a vitality to come close, and the Luminary also has +10 mind.

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I would like to know how you came to this conclusion

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Originally Posted by Xenor

Can you prove me wrong? I mean, what kind of question is that? Everyone knows the crafting scene was riddled with botters and still is, so it's a fair assumption to make. However without installing a CCTV camera infront of every player's screen it's impossible to "prove" one way or the other. Surely you understand this?

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Without evading, how can you prove this?

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Originally Posted by Xenor

I'm sure 95% of them did

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It is more beneficial if there is irrefutable evidence for those claims. Surely you understand the point I'm trying to make.

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Originally Posted by Churchill

I would like to know how you came to this conclusion

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Sorry, did that wrong, scratch the perception. Would need an extra 11 gathering and a vitality meld is all. So I would be losing 3 perception but gaining gathering, vitality, and mind.

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Originally Posted by Fated

Not everyone botted to get one, but, okay champ.

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Were you around in 2010? You'd have a very different outlook if you realized a lot of people botted to max crafts and level (Necrologis respawn farming) due to the nature of the game.

There's a reason one of the original and most popular craft bots had well over 80,000 downloads the first 3 months.

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Originally Posted by Andrien

Without evading, how can you prove this?


It is more beneficial if there is irrefutable evidence for those claims. Surely you understand the point I'm trying to make.

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He is right. Lots of people botted to get em. No need to reward bots.

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Originally Posted by Renen

He is right. Lots of people botted to get em. No need to reward bots.

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The bots also make gold and levels, so trying to go all "anti" bot wont work either. For those "humans" that did this achiev it would be rather disappointing to see a "meh" shitty item.

If they want to give a crappy item because of bots, dont even give an item in the first place. Waste our inventory space.


That being said I would like to see some of the achievements less tally related - perhaps some require some quest lines and such.

I don't waste much gil on attempting double melds, so I think the Luminary are just fine.

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Originally Posted by Churchill

I would like to know how you came to this conclusion

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Off topic, but I like your sig. Fringe rocks (or did right before it jumped the shark. Poor Fringe, I loved you...).

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Originally Posted by Shougun

The bots also make gold and levels, so trying to go all "anti" bot wont work either. For those "humans" that did this achiev it would be rather disappointing to see a "meh" shitty item.

If they want to give a crappy item because of bots, dont even give an item in the first place. Waste our inventory space.


That being said I would like to see some of the achievements less tally related - perhaps some require some quest lines and such.

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I would like to give u 10x Thumbs up

all what ppl are talking about botters...
there're ppl out there working hard to get them .. they should remove them if its worthless and good for botter only :/

waiting for SE reply