Dated Recipes: Craft 'Em While You Can! (Wool Fix Needed!)

So they're removing all the dated recipes. This means no more super-cheap & easy leveling of Alchemist & Culinarian sadly :(



Also, I'd just like to point out to the Devs that we need a fix for wool. Currently, it takes karakul fleece (which is fine) + fleece, which is a dated recipe using sheepskin.

So even though the recipe to make woolen yarn, along with items that use it as a component aren't dated themselves, we will in fact lose the ability to make the yarn altogether. This is a problem.

I'm pretty sure they realize this and will unlikely do anything about it in 1.0 since it goes off in a month.

I'm sure 2.0 will come with new recipes and easier ways of leveling crafts, seeing they did this for DOM and DOW

....I don't understand people who go out of their way to make items that are not even remotely useful and are being phased out.

There will be new recipes and new ways to bridge the gap. Be calm and wait for 2.0.

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Originally Posted by TimonLoon

....I don't understand people who go out of their way to make items that are not even remotely useful and are being phased out.

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It's due to the way you power through crafts. If it has a use or not, it's the level (around 39 or 40?) which you can blow through starting at 30 which I believe is also the easiest one to do and has a use for for quite a lot of stuff after your leveling.

Pretty sure every thing woolen yarn is used for is useful, unless you were talking in general.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

It's due to the way you power through crafts. If it has a use or not, it's the level (around 39 or 40?) which you can blow through starting at 30 which I believe is also the easiest one to do and has a use for for quite a lot of stuff after your leveling.

Pretty sure every thing woolen yarn is used for is useful, unless you were talking in general.

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Thats not what I meant. Obviously that makes sense... It's people complaining about dated items being gone that confuses me.

Do people really believe that SE won't have new recipes available for players to skill up on?

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Originally Posted by TimonLoon

Do people really believe that SE won't have new recipes available for players to skill up on?

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The words in the original post "super cheap" and "easy" are sort of telling. People get worked up about it not being as easy as it once was, to which I really have absolutely no sympathy at all. Heaven forbid it is a challenging process.

As for people really believing SE won't deliver, I think most people just get worked up in their heads about things and therefor don't stop to think about the situation. Of course SE is going to implement something to bridge the gap in a situation like this... but will it be quite so easy and/or cheap as the existing recipes? I have no idea to be honest, but I trust it will be as balanced as they can make it (which may not, in fact, mean "cheap and easy", but we shall see)

How does the removal of dated recipes affect Culinarian and Alchemist, the 2 crafts that don't use/make dated items? What am I missing?

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Originally Posted by NefGP

Also, I'd just like to point out to the Devs that we need a fix for wool. Currently, it takes karakul fleece (which is fine) + fleece, which is a dated recipe using sheepskin.

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You can get it not only from this recipe. They exist also as monster drop (from a very rare sheep in La Noscea. Wild Ewe I think) and leve reward.
Ok, not longer from leves, as they changed the reward from fleece to woolen yarn. But they can still give us the fleece from a new recipe, monster drop or new leve rewards.

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Originally Posted by gahoo

How does the removal of dated recipes affect Culinarian and Alchemist, the 2 crafts that don't use/make dated items? What am I missing?

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You've never turned fish into crystals or sand have you? Easiest and cheapest way to level those 2 classes by miles.

And wool makes for some nice gear. I just find it bizarre that the recipes to make the woolen items aren't dated, but the recipe to make the wool itself is. Kind of a catch-22 don't you think? And yes I'm aware the Karakul Skin only drops from that NM... which is again, silly, so I've decided to just leave my Weaver alone (or level off of leves idk) until ARR and focus on finishing my other crafts since my original idea of making wool and then felt is pretty much a no-go (I found a better option for leveling my ARM up anyway than Cobalt Haubergeon).

Local leves. Use em.

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Originally Posted by NefGP

You've never turned fish into crystals or sand have you? Easiest and cheapest way to level those 2 classes by miles.

And wool makes for some nice gear. I just find it bizarre that the recipes to make the woolen items aren't dated, but the recipe to make the wool itself is. Kind of a catch-22 don't you think? And yes I'm aware the Karakul Skin only drops from that NM... which is again, silly, so I've decided to just leave my Weaver alone (or level off of leves idk) until ARR and focus on finishing my other crafts since my original idea of making wool and then felt is pretty much a no-go (I found a better option for leveling my ARM up anyway than Cobalt Haubergeon).

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I just leveled WVR to 1000xp short of 49 in less than two week of sporadic playing using dated linen shortgloves to 40 and then 41-49 has been just leves. I got 41-49 just in 3 days of afternoons/evenings. Engineering Manual from stacks of saved crystals and then getting 200-300 quality on every synth. If you're short on anima just keep turning in town locals and getting more until you eventually run out (takes a while) and then turn in all the camp recipes at once. Black brush is a run, bluefog is free, other two as favorites. Then repeat. Super easy. Level 50 leve is instant (7 synths + turn in) 25k xp

I leveled my ALC to 50 on mega potions and ethers. The time investment was not bad at all if you know where the mats come from (Mega-potions in particular have mats that are easy as hell to get together quickly). Made a ton of money that way too.

Speaking of which, please make sure to have more than 1 Ahriman camp in 2.0 SE =P

There are quite a few high-level Culinarian recipes that aren't tough to get mats for as well.

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Originally Posted by NefGP

So they're removing all the dated recipes. This means no more super-profitable & easy leveling of Alchemist & Culinarian sadly :(

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Fixed.

Anyone else got giveaway crafting tips?

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Originally Posted by Felis

You can get it not only from this recipe. They exist also as monster drop (from a very rare sheep in La Noscea. Wild Ewe I think) and leve reward.
Ok, not longer from leves, as they changed the reward from fleece to woolen yarn. But they can still give us the fleece from a new recipe, monster drop or new leve rewards.

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There's a level 40 local weaver leve in Ul'dah that rewards 12 fleece + Bonus karakul fleece based on total quality when turning in. Also have gotten a leve with Bonus mats of Snurble Tufts before.

leves vary in level. they go up to 45, though the actual level of the recipes can get closer to 50 depending on the leve.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

leves vary in level. they go up to 45, though the actual level of the recipes can get closer to 50 depending on the leve.

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actually local leves go up to r50.

I'm impressed that some people still level their crafts the hard way, IE without local leves.

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Originally Posted by Xenor

I'm impressed that some people still level their crafts the hard way, IE without local leves.

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Local leves still suck pretty bad till you can access 45+ ones.

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Originally Posted by Xenor

I'm impressed that some people still level their crafts the hard way, IE without local leves.

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it's not really the hard way, but also remember is you level 1 class with leves then you have to wait on the level to build back up so it's either grind in between or you're just at a standstill on leveling.

They should give us the Shepherd DoL class to get fleece from. :D

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

it's not really the hard way, but also remember is you level 1 class with leves then you have to wait on the level to build back up so it's either grind in between or you're just at a standstill on leveling.

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I guess it depends how fast you need to level it. I was quite happy to take my time with my remaining four classes.

Local leves are good from the moment you can pick up 30s, whoever said 45+ is wrong. Although maybe random levelling is better now since the massive boost to crafting EXP a few months ago.

I seem to get lots of 40~45 BSM leves (I've yet to see a single 50 pop up) but can never get more than a single 40 for ARM in LL - the hell is up with that?

I'm hoping they adjust that in ARR, as it's really annoying going to the counter and there just aren't enough (if any) leves available for the level range you're in.

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Originally Posted by NefGP

I seem to get lots of 40~45 BSM leves (I've yet to see a single 50 pop up) but can never get more than a single 40 for ARM in LL - the hell is up with that?

I'm hoping they adjust that in ARR, as it's really annoying going to the counter and there just aren't enough (if any) leves available for the level range you're in.

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Your ARM is 36 and with that 40 is the highest you can get. Use 35 leves with your 40 leve.
And you don't see 50 leve for your BSM because your BSM is only 42

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Originally Posted by NefGP

You've never turned fish into crystals or sand have you? Easiest and cheapest way to level those 2 classes by miles.

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I don't think fishes to sand or crystals are dated recipes, mooglebox concurs, so those shouldn't be removed. Leves are good for leveling but not a practical way to get your luminary tools.

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Originally Posted by Cynthis

I don't think fishes to sand or crystals are dated recipes, mooglebox concurs, so those shouldn't be removed. Leves are good for leveling but not a practical way to get your luminary tools.

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Yes they aren't dated recipes
Sand: http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...assId=&rankId=
Shards: http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...assId=&rankId=
Crystals: http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...assId=&rankId=

^^ That was my original point/query about the OP.
And for the record, I leveled CUL on actual food to be sold in wards. Leveling ALC (lvl 35 atm) on fish->crystals.

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Originally Posted by Xenor

I guess it depends how fast you need to level it. I was quite happy to take my time with my remaining four classes.

Local leves are good from the moment you can pick up 30s, whoever said 45+ is wrong. Although maybe random levelling is better now since the massive boost to crafting EXP a few months ago.

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yeah, with the exp bonuses and scrolls and resting bonus you can get easily over 2k per synth now and i have seen as high as 5300exp on a single synth. granted, that 5300 was on a r54 synth and i'm a r50 crafter, but i wanted to see the highest sp i could get.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Your ARM is 36 and with that 40 is the highest you can get. Use 35 leves with your 40 leve.
And you don't see 50 leve for your BSM because your BSM is only 42

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It's 38 actually, the sig is slow to update.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Yes they aren't dated recipes
Sand: http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...assId=&rankId=
Shards: http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...assId=&rankId=
Crystals: http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...assId=&rankId=

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Huh, coulda sworn they were. Well, that's good to know.

But, on the flipside, they're changing fishing entirely in ARR so we'll have to see how that works out. Woolen Yarn however is dated - which again is silly because the recipes that use it for gear aren't... so it doesn't make any sense to keep those recipes when it's literally impossible to make 1 of the materials needed!

woolen yarn recipe is not dated, only the fleece recipe. But I'm sure we still get our fleece in ARR somehow ^^

Yes that's what I meant, sorry.

They haven't shown anything with regards to secondary tools yet, I wonder if that's being changed in the same vein? I certainly hope so at least, as it will make gathering the myriad of ingredients for cooking much simpler.