Who are the core fans?
What do they really, really want, really and expect?
To what degree does this game fulfill their wants?
How do the wants and expectations differ from both the current product and current future vision of the product?
Finally, what does SE think the fans want and how are these thoughts different from what the fans really, really want?
If the people who are calling the shots at SE can honestly ask themselves these questions and honestly answer them knowing they might not like any of the answers, then I think FF14 can be fixed.
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03-31-2011, 03:52 PMWinterclaw5 honest questions about FF14 SE should ask itself if it wants to fix FF14
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03-31-2011, 03:55 PMgifthorse
Also:
What's the meaning of life?
And:
Is asking what the 'fans' want really better than asking what 'non-fans' want? -
03-31-2011, 04:04 PMWinterclaw
This game still has fans? I'm shocked. :eek:
Still, there is a core audience that this game is, was, or should be designed for... that core audience (as well as FF fans who should probably make up a big chunk of that core audience) are the fans I was referring to.
Asking what non-fans want (people who wouldn't touch a JRPG or an FF game anyways) would be counter-productive. That's why you've got to figure out who your core fans are first. -
03-31-2011, 04:05 PMRandis
This game will profit more of a LARGE and happy player base than a small and happy hardcore fan base.
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03-31-2011, 04:06 PMAbriael
Identifying the target is the first and foremost rule of marketing.
Wanting to target "everyone" is the first and foremost fallacy in marketing. -
03-31-2011, 05:20 PMKilta_Firelotus
honestly...
its more
1 who is target crowd
2 how can we gave a fun game for said crowd
and thats what they are doing is making the game better for their target audience. :) -
03-31-2011, 05:35 PMPeppinoTuna
Who are the core fans?
The players who moved from FFXI and are too stubborn to move back because they sold everything they had on the auction, or gave it all to friends.
What do they really, really want, really and expect?
Quests, chocobos, new game content, and better skill graphics. And I think I read somewhere that someone wants some sort of Creepy Crawler machine. I don't know what was up with that suggestion...
To what degree does this game fulfill their wants?
It's more entertaining than MSN instant messaging.
How do the wants and expectations differ from both the current product and current future vision of the product?
It was released prematurely. Think of it like giving birth. SE is sitting in the hospital bed, pumped up on drugs while FFXIV is in the nursery receiving vital upgrades. It's under that UV light with the Frank Sinatra sunglasses on.
Finally, what does SE think the fans want and how are these thoughts different from what the fans really, really want?
I think SE knows that everyone wants quests and chocobos and more game content and better skill graphics, but actually following through will take time because as noted before, the baby is still in the nursery.
If the people who are calling the shots at SE can honestly ask themselves these questions and honestly answer them knowing they might not like any of the answers, then I think FF14 can be fixed.
I think they already have a good idea of what needs to be done and if there is a problem or better method, that is what these forums are for. -
03-31-2011, 05:49 PMKilta_Firelotus
they did agg quests.... ppl too picky and didn't like the ones that were added. Thats not SE fault really. You guys are expecting mirocles. It takes a mnth or so to make a 2 min cut screen. and thats adter the 1 mnth of planing and writing the senarios.
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03-31-2011, 05:49 PMEvangela
Who are the core fans?
--- before the game release, SE thought they can beat WoW so their core customers are everyone but they failed
What do they really, really want, really and expect?
--- their goal went from "beat WoW" to "fix this damn game"
To what degree does this game fulfill their wants?
--- this failure shouldn't get more than 2 out of 10 from what SE expected
How do the wants and expectations differ from both the current product and current future vision of the product?
--- like I said, their goal went from "beating WoW" to "fix this damn game", then their next goal should be.... hmm... making new impact with another expansion set? or develop a new game with XIV engine? who know
Finally, what does SE think the fans want and how are these thoughts different from what the fans really, really want?
--- their ego... try to create something new is good. but if you fail you should try it again. do NOT release the damn unfinished job! -
03-31-2011, 05:50 PMGromph42.Quote:
Originally Posted by gifthorse
Sorry i can't resist :D -
04-01-2011, 12:45 AMAbriaelActually WoW doesn't have "everyone" as their core target. Their target is quite wide, but nowhere near "everyone"Quote:
Originally Posted by Evangela
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04-01-2011, 01:02 AMEekikiYes it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus
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04-01-2011, 01:04 AMGalamantyl
I am in favor of questions
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04-01-2011, 01:27 AMJinkoWhat do you think the last 2 polls have been for ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Winterclaw
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04-01-2011, 01:40 AMEvenstar
Before Final Fantasy XIV was released Square Enix aimed to have a big player base. They didn't just want the Final Fantasy XI players. They aimed to get a wider crowd. Because of the state of the game when it was released they lost almost all of the "larger" player base already. Most of the people that are not into Final Fantasy or Square Enix games will not come back. At least that is what I think.
So, right now Square Enix should focus on the players that are still playing Final Fantasy XIV or returned to Final Fantasy XI. Besides that they can focus on the future Playstation 3 version customers (especially in Japan). That also means they should not try to beat WoW or any other MMORPG by making this game too easy or too casual. They tried that already and they lost that battle.
In my opinion the best thing they can do at the moment is copy a big part of Final Fantasy XI. I am not saying make it exactly like Final Fantasy XI was, but they should copy the good parts of that game. It doesn't have to be big features, but things like the party invite system, /sea function, comment function, airships and so on.
After they balanced the battle system and the classes they can start focusing on more content and the Playstation 3 release.
That said. I DISAGREE with my whole heart that the developers should blindly listen/follow everything the players say. That is what Blizzard did and they ruined the game. I know it still has an insane player base, but lots of people that played WoW from day one quit because of the big changes and the spoon feeding attitude of the game. Lets all hope Final Fantasy XIV doesn't become like that ... it will really be the only thing that would make me quit this game. -
04-01-2011, 01:50 AMEvenstarNo it isn't. People asked for quests like the ones in FFXI and SE delivered exactly that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eekiki
Ok, those are short and don't have a big story, but that will change in the future when they have MORE time to develop it.
FFXI had lots of quests where you had to get rabbit hides, flint stones, honey or whatever ... What did you guys expect them to do in such a short period? Write whole missions for you including cutscenes? -
04-01-2011, 01:52 AMAbriaelEveryone with the slightest sense of realism knew full well that the first quests to be implemented would have been the one that could be created the fastest. Unfortunately realism isn't exactly widespread on the internets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evenstar