Gear Sets

I know there is going to be gear set tabs we can use to change out our gear in ARR, what will this mean for inventory? I don't think the set we are wearing will take up inventory space but what I'm curious about is once we build a set, will we need to have the gear taking up space in our inventory if we want to swap out?

If that's the case then I would naturally assume that if we do not have a piece in our inventory then it just wont be equipped, will that change the saved gear tab?

Also, what kind of storage capacity are we looking at? Again I'm assuming, but with the housing system we will most likely be able to upgrade the amount of storage. I know some people have every job at 50 and I worry that to have gear for all of their classes will and up leaving them little space for other items.

EDIT: just got to the part where Yoshi explains that once they are built it will free up room in your inventory. i think that answers my question.

Speaking of which, I can safely say having to obtain multiple copies of the same item for each gear set isn't going to go over well with players as mentioned in the latest letter. Not to mention this doesn't even seem to address sharing unique items across gear sets.

It seems like the easiest way to handle this problem is by right clicking a gear slot in a gear set, it displays the other gear sets you already have. Then you can choose an item already on another gear set and 'link' it to the new gear set slot. Then you can simply indicate that it's a linked item rather than a physical item by a different color boarder or something.

To handle the case where you change the 'master item' in a gear set that has established links, just have the old item automatically replace one of the links to be the master then remap any other links to the item to the new master. Throw up a message when an item is automatically reassigned to another gear set and I don't really see how this is going to confuse anyone.

A set removes the item from your inventory, which is why we'll need to have duplicates of an item if you want it in more than one set.

They're going to need to make it so you can set it so certain pieces of gear can cross sets. I don't understand how they could expect players to get multiple sets of Darklight for the sets. Obviously one could just use macros, but that makes the entire gear set system pointless.

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Originally Posted by Zezlar

They're going to need to make it so you can set it so certain pieces of gear can cross sets. I don't understand how they could expect players to get multiple sets of Darklight for the sets. Obviously one could just use macros, but that makes the entire gear set system pointless.

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isn't the whole point of gear set to get the gear out of the inventory?
Make a DL gear set, equip with macro first the set than the weapon and you have still more inventory space than without the gear set.
Ok, it is not the best, but better than now.

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Originally Posted by Zezlar

They're going to need to make it so you can set it so certain pieces of gear can cross sets. I don't understand how they could expect players to get multiple sets of Darklight for the sets. Obviously one could just use macros, but that makes the entire gear set system pointless.

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Just set up the Darklight in a set, then manually equip your weapon. Crisis averted.

ya, from what they said in the live letter, you change your job, then equip a set. so as long as the items arent restricted i would assume you could create a set of accessories you can use for your mages then a different set for the class specific armor.

It's 2012, I don't see how you can defend getting multiple copies of an item. I agree w/ Zezlar, it's pointless. Also dragging items to equip, is way inferior to Right-click equipping. How would a PS3/Control user drag to click anyway? Needs reworking.

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Originally Posted by KiriA500

Just set up the Darklight in a set, then manually equip your weapon. Crisis averted.

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iirc Aren't the sets bound by job? If so that makes things more annoying then it needs to be. They should just cross set the items. No need to utilize macros/sets to do the same thing.

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Originally Posted by Mujen

It's 2012, I don't see how you can defend getting multiple copies of an item. I agree w/ Zezlar, it's pointless. Also dragging items to equip, is way inferior to Right-click equipping. How would a PS3/Control user drag to click anyway? Needs reworking.

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They already stated that the PS3 / Controller UI will be completely different. You should also note in one of the game play videos - a piece of gear is equipped via click & drag, but then immediately after, they simply click an item and it equips also.

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Originally Posted by KiriA500

Just set up the Darklight in a set, then manually equip your weapon. Crisis averted.

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What if you have 2 different sets that both use your darklight body? Equip it with a macro? But why? Why make a gear system, that cant work w/o requiring multiples of an item?
Its like a car renting company, renting you a car, but making you push the car to the nearest gas station because they provide cars but not fuel.

I think gear-set tabs could work. Macros have their use too for equipping gear you don't want to duplicate.
Gear setting is s nice addition but I would reserve it to be job related.

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Originally Posted by PSxpert2011

I think gear-set tabs could work. Macros have their use too for equipping gear you don't want to duplicate.
Gear setting is s nice addition but I would reserve it to be job related.

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But we will now only have 100 inventory. I'd rather not have to worry about equipment at ALL

its not restricted to changing your weapon. if you watch the live letter there are two tabs he clicks (and i think he mentions it around 33 min in) one changes his job or you can equip your weapon and change your job, then you can select your equipment set seperatly. as long as you arent limited in the amount of sets you can create or restricted by the way they equip (ex. if you have an empty slot in your set, will it empty the slot or not do anything) if its the second example then you can create a GLD,PUG,LNC set that shares common items then a specific set for class specific gear. is that making sense?

either way, it looks cool and i cant wait to play with it then give some educated feedback.

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Originally Posted by ZakarnRosewood

its not restricted to changing your weapon. if you watch the live letter there are two tabs he clicks (and i think he mentions it around 33 min in) one changes his job or you can equip your weapon and change your job, then you can select your equipment set seperatly. as long as you arent limited in the amount of sets you can create or restricted by the way they equip (ex. if you have an empty slot in your set, will it empty the slot or not do anything) if its the second example then you can create a GLD,PUG,LNC set that shares common items then a specific set for class specific gear. is that making sense?

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That's not bad. I thought it was by job. It will be "alright" that way but I still feel it would be more useful to allow gear to cross set. If I get into Alpha i'll test and give feedback.

As quoted by Yoshi in the live letter, you have 3 options for pieces that you use for different gear sets-

You either have to obtain two of the same items and equip them to each gear set.
Or equip them manually
Or use macro's to switch.

Source: Live Letter III

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Originally Posted by Altena

As quoted by Yoshi in the live letter, you have 3 options for pieces that you use for different gear sets-

You either have to obtain two of the same items and equip them to each gear set.
Or equip them manually
Or use macro's to switch.

Source: Live Letter III

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did you manage to catch the time stamp on the video where he said that?

EDIT Found it. In the live letter III it starts at 1:10:43

"Again, we want to hear what fans think about these methods (during the beta)"

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Originally Posted by Mujen

It's 2012, I don't see how you can defend getting multiple copies of an item. I agree w/ Zezlar, it's pointless. Also dragging items to equip, is way inferior to Right-click equipping. How would a PS3/Control user drag to click anyway? Needs reworking.

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I posted on this problem of having multiple pieces of DL awhile back in order to put it in multiple sets and it seemed like a good half the people just wanted to flame me and say "making a a macro is fine stop complaining" or "just equip manually everytime".

I think its the mentality of defending the team rather than making the system work the way that would be easiest and most logical for the players. I really am not sure why they don't want it made right the first time. Theres no reason for it not to work correctly when there is clearly an easy solution for one item on multiple sets.

Do not defend something thats broken or not optimally set up. The game MUST exceed expectations if its going to make a recovery and win people and reviewers alike when it launches. Try to help them succeed.

For me, I think it's a terrible idea. What if I want to use my INT+ head-piece on WHM? I need to change to BLM and un-equip and then change back? This is far more work than equip macros.

Yoshida also mentions that they're trying to work out an "alias" system, which will allow your gearslots to use the same item across all sets. So it's still something that they're looking into. I personally think the gearsets will work fine, though not as wonderfully as I originally thought they would.

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Originally Posted by Karbine

I posted on this problem of having multiple pieces of DL awhile back in order to put it in multiple sets and it seemed like a good half the people just wanted to flame me and say "making a a macro is fine stop complaining" or "just equip manually everytime".

I think its the mentality of defending the team rather than making the system work the way that would be easiest and most logical for the players. I really am not sure why they don't want it made right the first time. Theres no reason for it not to work correctly when there is clearly an easy solution for one item on multiple sets.

Do not defend something thats broken or not optimally set up. The game MUST exceed expectations if its going to make a recovery and win people and reviewers alike when it launches. Try to help them succeed.

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Agreed. AF, DL, Uniques makes up a large part of endgame gear. There's going to be a whole lot of people not using gearsets because macro's will work out better in most situations.

Why make a system a large amount of people won't use? I love the idea, and it will be fantastic for DoL and DoH classes, but anyone flipping back and forth between gear on different builds or even different jobs will be left in the dust.

With the inventory drop, this will only get worse. At least half of that will be used up by gear, I'd estimate. At least.

The problem is the planned GearSet actually is an additional gear inventory in disguise. Each slot holds an actual item. I am assuming what we want is gear set hold the reference (shortcut) to the gear, in that case we will able to hold same reference (of an item) in different gearset. But the item itself will stay on bag inventory slot (just like current inventory).

CMIIW on this. If anyone has better idea on how it should be implemented (technically), please share, we need to give them good input.

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Originally Posted by Aion

CMIIW on this. If anyone has better idea on how it should be implemented (technically), please share, we need to give them good input.

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shouldn't we wait for Beta to give input? not that they will change it now...

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Originally Posted by Hysterior

shouldn't we wait for Beta to give input? not that they will change it now...

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at least we can discuss what are possible implementations that will satisfy most of us. Is there any other MMO that implement this?

i'd like to see how it works before getting to excited about what we have heard so far. i like the idea that it wont take up inventory space, but there needs to be a system to avoid needing to have multiples of the same item. without seeing exactly how it functions currently then it will be difficult to make suggestions on how to make changes. it might actually be something simple or it might mean a complete overhaul or the creation of an equipment inventory separate from the item inventory.

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Originally Posted by Hysterior

shouldn't we wait for Beta to give input? not that they will change it now...

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That's right! As was mentioned in the Producer Letter Live, though the macro feature will not make it into the Alpha version, it will be implemented with the Beta, so we would love for you all to try it out then and offer your feedback.

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Originally Posted by Camate

That's right! As was mentioned in the Producer Letter Live, though the macro feature will not make it into the Alpha version, it will be implemented with the Beta, so we would love for you all to try it out then and offer your feedback.

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Wait wait.... "You all"?

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Originally Posted by Reika

Wait wait.... "You all"?

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You know there is an open beta :P

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Originally Posted by Sabaku_Usagi

You know there is an open beta :P

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I'm pretty sure I remember reading that there isn't.

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Originally Posted by Mijin

I'm pretty sure I remember reading that there isn't.

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I do seem to understand that closed/open BETA would seem as protocol, I also understand despite the ambition for quality, open BETA should be skipped, if they already have plans to release FFFXIV:ARR. I mean, fine if we still do (probably for free play-time) but I would sure want my PS3 copy of ARR as soon as I can possible get it already... it's been delayed for so long already.

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Originally Posted by Karbine

I posted on this problem of having multiple pieces of DL awhile back in order to put it in multiple sets and it seemed like a good half the people just wanted to flame me and say "making a a macro is fine stop complaining" or "just equip manually everytime".

I think its the mentality of defending the team rather than making the system work the way that would be easiest and most logical for the players. I really am not sure why they don't want it made right the first time. Theres no reason for it not to work correctly when there is clearly an easy solution for one item on multiple sets.

Do not defend something thats broken or not optimally set up. The game MUST exceed expectations if its going to make a recovery and win people and reviewers alike when it launches. Try to help them succeed.

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Honestly, I understand that the dev's are working hard to please people, but I'm so tired of the sucking up and ass-kissing that goes on in the FF community. I remember when I played FFXI english players treated JP players like demi-gods.. get over it, they are just like us. "JP players > English players" Okay I can appreciate the culture & so forth but you don't have to kiss ass. My closest friend is Asian & I enjoy the culture & respect it, but I don't kiss ass & neither does he.

People need to give feedback that's honest not this crap of "oh well... they are doing their best & will work it out later" Guess what? the rest of the gaming community isn't gonna be thinking that. But just like they treated me they are gonna treat them "if you don't like it then leave!" & they will, simple. The sucking up attitude along w/ lack of experience in what's out there = crappy reviews & critiques. Also very narrow-minded & not new player friend attitudes (not all, but most, least in the forums. In-game I have found some rly nice players).

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Originally Posted by Mujen

Honestly, I understand that the dev's are working hard to please people, but I'm so tired of the sucking up and ass-kissing that goes on in the FF community. I remember when I played FFXI english players treated JP players like demi-gods.. get over it, they are just like us. "JP players > English players" Okay I can appreciate the culture & so forth but you don't have to kiss ass. My closest friend is Asian & I enjoy the culture & respect it, but I don't kiss ass & neither does he.

People need to give feedback that's honest not this crap of "oh well... they are doing their best & will work it out later" Guess what? the rest of the gaming community isn't gonna be thinking that. But just like they treated me they are gonna treat them "if you don't like it then leave!" & they will, simple. The sucking up attitude along w/ lack of experience in what's out there = crappy reviews & critiques. Also very narrow-minded & not new player friend attitudes (not all, but most, least in the forums. In-game I have found some rly nice players).

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Your post is the greatest post I have ever seen. I didn't read most of it, but I read parts of it 10 times over. I even clicked the like button. Can I have the stuff you don't like when 2.0 gets released?

hey, angry eji here and i obviously don't build and code video games so this will be pretty naive but if this engine is anything worth a shit wouldn't making a macro to have the ability to switch gear sets be something incredibly easy? why are things like this put on the back burner? if the whole gear set thing from the live letter is translated correctly what idiot thinks it's a good idea to need two instances of an item to use in multiple gear sets? that's the most retarded thing i've heard. let me go get multiple darklight pieces so i can use them in different gear sets although they're u/u and i cannot have more than one in my inventory at a given time. this all doesn't even make sense!

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Originally Posted by PSxpert2011

I do seem to understand that closed/open BETA would seem as protocol, I also understand despite the ambition for quality, open BETA should be skipped, if they already have plans to release FFFXIV:ARR. I mean, fine if we still do (probably for free play-time) but I would sure want my PS3 copy of ARR as soon as I can possible get it already... it's been delayed for so long already.

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this kind of attitude is what's going to make them release this game unpolished and it's going to fail. they NEED to take as long as necessary until every bug is fixed and disputed element is changed. no if, ands or buts.

I agree with both sides of this "debate" i only see one glaring problem with getting into heated arguments about particular elements of ARR. No one has played it yet. most of the opinions are based on less than half of the information. How can you be justified in getting so hot under the collar about things like the graphics, Gear, and other features they are still working on and we havent tinkered with.

at this stage all we can do is ask questions about what we have heard leaked thus far. What we have heard may not even play out they way some of us are envisioning in our heads. I'm not defending SE or anyone, I too want this game to succeed and to do that they cant have a repeat of 1.0 launch. I am a fanboy but as a fan i am just as critical as most of you. i've actually had a post removed and was banned for a time because of something i posted critiquing the direction SE seems to have been heading.

all i'm saying is we need to be making educated and informed feedback and not just knee-jerk reactions to something we have "heard" about.

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Originally Posted by ejiboo

hey, angry eji here and i obviously don't build and code video games so this will be pretty naive but if this engine is anything worth a shit wouldn't making a macro to have the ability to switch gear sets be something incredibly easy? why are things like this put on the back burner? if the whole gear set thing from the live letter is translated correctly what idiot thinks it's a good idea to need two instances of an item to use in multiple gear sets? that's the most retarded thing i've heard. let me go get multiple darklight pieces so i can use them in different gear sets although they're u/u and i cannot have more than one in my inventory at a given time. this all doesn't even make sense!

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Actually, this seems like a thing that is a major blockade on programming level. They do have the idea on the aliases as they've mentioned, but that... That is a feature that can break easier than a glass ceiling during a hail of cars. I'm not a professional programmer but a little earlier in some other thread there was a comment from someone who knew more, it essentially sums up to "It has a very high possibility of the real piece of equipment vanishing from everywhere". I'd rather they don't risk it, sincerely.

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Originally Posted by ejiboo

let me go get multiple darklight pieces so i can use them in different gear sets although they're u/u and i cannot have more than one in my inventory at a given time. this all doesn't even make sense!

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That's the point. If you put your darklight gear in a gear set it is no longer in your inventory. Your inventory is then free for new darklight gear.