Ok Gil question from live letter

Ok so i know there are 2 translation from the letter one from the official GM of this forum and a random person that translated it. The random person state that yoshi said he will be taking 1 digit of gil meaning if you have 1000 you will have 100 in 2.0 56mil to 5.6mil etc. But in the translated question that was made by the GM in the forum he only has the question that hes taking out 1 digit from the cap only?

So my question is are people with only CAP gil is affected or everyone will loose 1 digit?.

Stop. Take a breath. What do you think is logically going to happen to ensure the majority of the players who aren't gillionaires remain happy?

There. Problem solved.

from the translations that have been done since the game released i'll stand by rein's over the reps. he has been wrong less frequently by a wideeeeee margin.

Taking away one digit from the CAP doesn't change much about the economy, so you just have to think logically about it in the face of two different accounts. I think it makes more sense that they would take away 1 digit from everything.. not to mention if you read the translation from Rein, you can see the article isn't just making one tiny mention of it that he could have mistranslated, the entire thing is almost solely about the balancing of money in the FFXIV 2.0 economy.

Edit: That isn't to say they won't be ALSO moving the cap down, just for the record. I'd assume both are in fact correct.

If they going to reduce NPC's Buying/selling rate is more logical to think that they going to reduce all economy too. Otherwise they would be giving us x10 into economy power.

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Originally Posted by Breladine

Taking away one digit from the CAP doesn't change much about the economy, so you just have to think logically about it in the face of two different accounts. I think it makes more sense that they would take away 1 digit from everything.. not to mention if you read the translation from Rein, you can see the article isn't just making one tiny mention of it that he could have mistranslated, the entire thing is almost solely about the balancing of money in the FFXIV 2.0 economy.

Edit: That isn't to say they won't be ALSO moving the cap down, just for the record. I'd assume both are in fact correct.

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agree here. i'm also with you in thinking that after the reduction the max will be taken down a digit

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Originally Posted by KingBerry

So my question is are people with only CAP gil is affected or everyone will loose 1 digit?.

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Everyone. It would be unfair anyway.

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If you now have 98M and you won't lose a digit, in ARR you will be almost capped. It won't be nice for people with 100M+ (people playing from day-one for example :||)

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Originally Posted by KingBerry

Ok so i know there are 2 translation from the letter one from the official GM of this forum and a random person that translated it. The random person state that yoshi said he will be taking 1 digit of gil meaning if you have 1000 you will have 100 in 2.0 56mil to 5.6mil etc. But in the translated question that was made by the GM in the forum he only has the question that hes taking out 1 digit from the cap only?

So my question is are people with only CAP gil is affected or everyone will loose 1 digit?.

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The cap is being cut to 1/10th of its original value. Your gil is being cut to 1/10th of its original value. NPC buy and sell prices are being cut to 1/10th of their original value (though stuff less than 10 gil will just be worth 1 presumably, so those items will actually increase in overall value). Gil recieved will be cut to 1/10th of its original value, thus player prices should also drop porportionately. Thus, there isn't any true loss to anyone. They're scaling everything down porporitonally.

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If you now have 98M and you won't lose a digit, in ARR you will be almost capped. It won't be nice for people with 100M+ (people playing from day-one for example :||)

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Incorrect. All gil values, including your current gil and everything else I listed above, are being scaled proportionally. This was established in Q and A in the Japanese forum (I don't have the translation link at this moment but im sure someone will post it)

Either way this will be the first time Yoshida has gone back on a promise he made to us. He has stated on a number of occasions that we will not lose anything we have earned during the changeover to ARR. I have been an active player since the Sept. 2010 launch. While I was never in it to make scads of Gil and I didn't I do not like the idea of losing what I did earn. My purchasing power and earning power will drop dramatically if I go from 53Mil to 5.3 Mil. Despite what alterations they make to NPCs a Free Market will eventually make most things unafordable to me. I am assuming that this is to accomandate the new subscribers entering the game as well as to combat the RMTs who made tons of Gil unopposed by SE in Ver 1.0. This is going about it the wrong way. New subscribers will have Worlds created for them and have the option to go there. As far as RMTs are concerned a dedicated Special Task Force can handle that just like trhey did in FFXI. So til I hear more details about how they plan to implement their new economic system I believe that this is a bad idea. Strictly my opinion.

If they mess with my gil I am out. I worked hard for it and spent a lot of free time earning it fair and square. I don't mind the whole cap being at 100m, okay fine. Or..if my gil holds the same value it currently does, that is fine with me also.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post831427

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Originally Posted by Rizon

Either way this will be the first time Yoshida has gone back on a promise he made to us. He has stated on a number of occasions that we will not lose anything we have earned during the changeover to ARR.

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The numbers go down, the value remains. You can buy with 1k gil the same items in 2.0 what you can buy now for 10k gil.
And about the items in the market wards, the prices would drop if nobody want to buy them with the old prices.

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Originally Posted by Rizon

Either way this will be the first time Yoshida has gone back on a promise he made to us. He has stated on a number of occasions that we will not lose anything we have earned during the changeover to ARR. I have been an active player since the Sept. 2010 launch. While I was never in it to make scads of Gil and I didn't I do not like the idea of losing what I did earn. My purchasing power and earning power will drop dramatically if I go from 53Mil to 5.3 Mil. Despite what alterations they make to NPCs a Free Market will eventually make most things unafordable to me. I am assuming that this is to accomandate the new subscribers entering the game as well as to combat the RMTs who made tons of Gil unopposed by SE in Ver 1.0. This is going about it the wrong way. New subscribers will have Worlds created for them and have the option to go there. As far as RMTs are concerned a dedicated Special Task Force can handle that just like trhey did in FFXI. So til I hear more details about how they plan to implement their new economic system I believe that this is a bad idea. Strictly my opinion.

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Dude you dont even understand, all they are doing is making the new gil Valued MORE than the old gil for the same amount. Everything and everyone will have their Gil move down one decimal.

your not losing anything nor is it going to be worthless. I don't know what your math teachers are teaching people these days but anyone with a brain on their shoulders will understand why this is being done for the players. ITS A GOOD THING.

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Originally Posted by Kairukun

Dude you dont even understand, all they are doing is making the new gil Valued MORE than the old gil for the same amount. Everything and everyone will have their Gil move down one decimal.

your not losing anything nor is it going to be worthless. I don't know what your math teachers are teaching people these days but anyone with a brain on their shoulders will understand why this is being done for the players. ITS A GOOD THING.

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in theory it may be valued more because there is less of it, but in practice this never happens. the market is too volatile and prices fluctuate too much for that to happen. some items may drop to below that 10% of the value it had previously, but i can assure you some items will only take a small percentage hit and still some other items may actually increase in value.

I kind of hope they do the redenomination thing and divide everything by 10. It would be aesthetically pleasing as too big of numbers are being thrown around right now, and also it makes people who don't understand basic economics really mad and it's fun to watch. Also I can laugh at my gillionaire ls mates that spent a couple hours after that announcement moving gil to alts.

well it's confirmed. the random guy that was doing the translation was RIGHT and the rep translation was WRONG.

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Either way this will be the first time Yoshida has gone back on a promise he made to us. He has stated on a number of occasions that we will not lose anything we have earned during the changeover to ARR.

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He hasn't gone back on a promise. You are not losing anything. EVERYTHING is being SCALED porportionally. Everyone's gil is being scaled by the same amount, the NPC buy and sell prices are being scaled by the same amount, Gil given is being scaled by the same amount.

If you have say 10,000 gil now, you'll have 1,000 gil after, yes, but that 1,000 gil will buy the same stuff that the 10,000 would have bought before. In other words, the number might be smaller, but the value is the same.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

He hasn't gone back on a promise. You are not losing anything. EVERYTHING is being SCALED porportionally. Everyone's gil is being scaled by the same amount, the NPC buy and sell prices are being scaled by the same amount, Gil given is being scaled by the same amount.

If you have say 10,000 gil now, you'll have 1,000 gil after, yes, but that 1,000 gil will buy the same stuff that the 10,000 would have bought before. In other words, the number might be smaller, but the value is the same.

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Why can't little kids just understand this?

This scale back is good for the long run. Imagine how intimidating it would be for new players to see things being sold for 100mil.

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Originally Posted by Lum

This scale back is good for the long run. Imagine how intimidating it would be for new players to see things being sold for 100mil.

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not any worse than it will be for them to see they are selling for 10mil when it takes forever to make gil since everything will give them less gil. it's all relative.

something costing a million when you can make 50k a leve isn't any different than seeing something cost 100k when you make 5k a leve. either way it's the same amount of time and actions to get what you want.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

not any worse than it will be for them to see they are selling for 10mil when it takes forever to make gil since everything will give them less gil. it's all relative.

something costing a million when you can make 50k a leve isn't any different than seeing something cost 100k when you make 5k a leve. either way it's the same amount of time and actions to get what you want.

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^ this exactly.

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Originally Posted by Babydoll

If they mess with my gil I am out. I worked hard for it and spent a lot of free time earning it fair and square. I don't mind the whole cap being at 100m, okay fine. Or..if my gil holds the same value it currently does, that is fine with me also.

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You are going to quit over them reducing everyone to 1/10 of their gil? If you have 100m you will have 10m but it will still have the same purchasing power as before. Everyone is getting reduced to 1/10 of their gil.

Sure some people at the start may try to sell stuff for the old prices but once they see that it won't sell they will have to lower their price.

At times like this I am reminded of when they tacked on the extra 0 to main scenario rewards and such back in testing.

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Originally Posted by Babydoll

If they mess with my gil I am out. I worked hard for it and spent a lot of free time earning it fair and square. I don't mind the whole cap being at 100m, okay fine. Or..if my gil holds the same value it currently does, that is fine with me also.

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They're not "messing with" your gil. They're scaling EVERYONE's gill, all gil given out, all NPC buy/sell prices, etc. Everyone is affected by this equally and nobody gains an advantage or disadvantage as a result.

If you have 100k now, you'll have 10k after- but the item you wanted to buy for 50k will only cost 5k after, so you haven't lost anything. the overall buying power of your new amount of gil will be exactly the same as before.

If people are stupid and try to change the same amounts they did for stuff before, they'll be able to see almost nobody will be able to afford their price and will have to drop their asking price to a porportionate level to the current value of gil.

To me it makes sense- in small part because we have a level cap of 50 (known not to be final) and the numbers we work in are already huge. Smaller numbers are easier to work with.

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Originally Posted by KingBerry

Ok so i know there are 2 translation from the letter one from the official GM of this forum and a random person that translated it. The random person state that yoshi said he will be taking 1 digit of gil meaning if you have 1000 you will have 100 in 2.0 56mil to 5.6mil etc. But in the translated question that was made by the GM in the forum he only has the question that hes taking out 1 digit from the cap only?

So my question is are people with only CAP gil is affected or everyone will loose 1 digit?.

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Reinheart's translation is correct.

Bayohne's post was not incorrect, but it was not complete and ended up giving the wrong impression.


*phew* Just found a good and official translation.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post831748

Well thats good ill just be pissed if i see the same prices in 2.0 from 1.0 i hope players aren't that dumb to think the value will stay.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

They're not "messing with" your gil. They're scaling EVERYONE's gill, all gil given out, all NPC buy/sell prices, etc. Everyone is affected by this equally and nobody gains an advantage or disadvantage as a result.

If you have 100k now, you'll have 10k after- but the item you wanted to buy for 50k will only cost 5k after, so you haven't lost anything. the overall buying power of your new amount of gil will be exactly the same as before.

If people are stupid and try to change the same amounts they did for stuff before, they'll be able to see almost nobody will be able to afford their price and will have to drop their asking price to a porportionate level to the current value of gil.

To me it makes sense- in small part because we have a level cap of 50 (known not to be final) and the numbers we work in are already huge. Smaller numbers are easier to work with.

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You don't fix stupid, she has been saying the same thing on every single thread as if she doesnt read any of explanation you guys gives.

I quote myself

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Originally Posted by Felis

Say item x cost 20m in 1.0. Someone want to sell it in ARR for 15m (150m in 1.0). Most players have less than 7m in ARR (70m in 1.0).
The seller can now decrease his price or wait until the players have enough money. But don't forget, we get 1/10 gil from leves, from stuff we sell to npc, from quests, from chests and from monsters (I hope they change the "earn x gil from killing enemies" achievement). It get harder to earn the missing gil to buy the item that cost 15m. So the seller have no other choice than to decrease his price.

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Originally Posted by Felis

I quote myself

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i agree with you in theory. people will originally try to sell items for that original 20 mil and it won't sell. they will then drop it to 15mil and it probably won't sell there either, but after a few more drops the item may sell for 6mil. it will be selling for 14mil less than it did before, but the profit after the new currency could be much higher. in the above example the going rate would have been 2 mil, but since someone bought it for 6 then it'd selling for 300% of the expected rate.

i'm not saying all items will sell for that much more above the expected conversion rate, but i do expect the values of certain items to change due to a difference in demand due to less overall currency to blow. i say this because of items like foods and potions are more of a needed item so i doubt they ever drop to that 10% of the original price, but other items will probably wind up falling to below that 10% price. i don't ever see shards selling for 3-7 gil nor foods for 100 gil, but i can see a 500k sword dropping to 50k.

when people only have a few hundred k they're not likely to spend hundreds of thousands on one item, but they are likely to spend it on foods and all even if it's half the price it is now.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

i agree with you in theory. people will originally try to sell items for that original 20 mil and it won't sell. they will then drop it to 15mil and it probably won't sell there either, but after a few more drops the item may sell for 6mil. it will be selling for 14mil less than it did before, but the profit after the new currency could be much higher. in the above example the going rate would have been 2 mil, but since someone bought it for 6 then it'd selling for 300% of the expected rate.

i'm not saying all items will sell for that much more above the expected conversion rate, but i do expect the values of certain items to change due to a difference in demand due to less overall currency to blow. i say this because of items like foods and potions are more of a needed item so i doubt they ever drop to that 10% of the original price, but other items will probably wind up falling to below that 10% price. i don't ever see shards selling for 3-7 gil nor foods for 100 gil, but i can see a 500k sword dropping to 50k.

when people only have a few hundred k they're not likely to spend hundreds of thousands on one item, but they are likely to spend it on foods and all even if it's half the price it is now.

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that's the beauty of market fluctuations, prices will drop to the extent that the buyers will accept the price, this acceptance has a metric posteriorquantity of factors that come in to consideration, only one of which is available currency

What will prevent this from happening:

Gillionaire has 999mil gil. 900 normal players have 1 mil gil each. Gillionaire Spends 900mil gil equally amongst each player buying up all the HQ materials in the game causing short term hyper inflation. Gillionaire now has all the HQ materials on the AH + 99 milion gil. 900 normal players now have 2 mil each. ARR launches, Gillionaire still has all the HQ materials, and now 9.9 mil gil while the 900 normal players only have 200K. Normal players now want to buy HQ crafted gear that gillionaire makes. Gillionaire sells back the now transformed HQ materials to the players he bought them from for 150K each (1.5mil pre ARR); Normal Players pay 50% more than they had sold materials for cause Gillionaire controls the market and they have no choice but to buy at his prices. Gillionaire now has 9.9mil + 900x 150K (135mil). Gillionaire spends excess gil on HQ materials ensuring he maintains control of the market.

The rich get richer, the poor get poorer. Am I missing something?

The gil cap reduction looks good on paper and in theory, but then again so did those mortgage backed securities and derivatives that caused the world wide economic crisis.

Obviously, I am imagining the worst case scenario where the rich take advantage of the poor, but show me proof that this doesn't already happen?

SO, what measures will be put into effect to prevent players from doing this? I know that the morning after the official announcement on the Live Producer Letter that literally all materia were bought off the AH on my server. What's to stop them from hoarding all the HQ darksteel/gold/mythril/cobalt/electrum ore?

New items? Increase in level cap? New recipes? New base materials?

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Originally Posted by Matsume

What will prevent this from happening:

Gillionaire has 999mil gil. 900 normal players have 1 mil gil each...
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Gillionaire spends excess gil on HQ materials ensuring he maintains control of the market.

The rich get richer, the poor get poorer. Am I missing something?

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I'd probably just go out and gather/farm the HQ materials I need and craft it myself.

What you outline could conceivably happen as a worst case scenario if the amount of resources of the world were frozen at ARR launch, but I don't believe that will be the case. If someone tries to monopolize the market, people can't afford it and will just make their own, then said gillionaire gets stuck with having bought a lot of inventory he can't sell.

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Originally Posted by Mikita

I'd probably just go out and gather/farm the HQ materials I need and craft it myself.

What you outline could conceivably happen as a worst case scenario if the amount of resources of the world were frozen at ARR launch, but I don't believe that will be the case. If someone tries to monopolize the market, people can't afford it and will just make their own, then said gillionaire gets stuck with having bought a lot of inventory he can't sell.

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Especially since Normal player with 200k to his name is unlikely to spend 75% of his wealth on 1 item. Markets correct themselves. They always do. Are there going to be instances of items that inflate...sure, but not to the levels that Matsume keeps spewing across all these threads. These Doom-and-Gloom people are the current day equivalent to people that hold up the cardboard signs on the street corner proclaiming the end of the world.

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Originally Posted by Mikita

I'd probably just go out and gather/farm the HQ materials I need and craft it myself.

What you outline could conceivably happen as a worst case scenario if the amount of resources of the world were frozen at ARR launch, but I don't believe that will be the case. If someone tries to monopolize the market, people can't afford it and will just make their own, then said gillionaire gets stuck with having bought a lot of inventory he can't sell.

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That's why most of us started crafting/gathering in the first place, too!

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Originally Posted by Matsume

What will prevent this from happening:

Gillionaire has 999mil gil. 900 normal players have 1 mil gil each. Gillionaire Spends 900mil gil equally amongst each player buying up all the HQ materials in the game causing short term hyper inflation. Gillionaire now has all the HQ materials on the AH + 99 milion gil. 900 normal players now have 2 mil each. ARR launches, Gillionaire still has all the HQ materials, and now 9.9 mil gil while the 900 normal players only have 200K. Normal players now want to buy HQ crafted gear that gillionaire makes. Gillionaire sells back the now transformed HQ materials to the players he bought them from for 150K each (1.5mil pre ARR); Normal Players pay 50% more than they had sold materials for cause Gillionaire controls the market and they have no choice but to buy at his prices. Gillionaire now has 9.9mil + 900x 150K (135mil). Gillionaire spends excess gil on HQ materials ensuring he maintains control of the market.

The rich get richer, the poor get poorer. Am I missing something?

The gil cap reduction looks good on paper and in theory, but then again so did those mortgage backed securities and derivatives that caused the world wide economic crisis.

Obviously, I am imagining the worst case scenario where the rich take advantage of the poor, but show me proof that this doesn't already happen?

SO, what measures will be put into effect to prevent players from doing this? I know that the morning after the official announcement on the Live Producer Letter that literally all materia were bought off the AH on my server. What's to stop them from hoarding all the HQ darksteel/gold/mythril/cobalt/electrum ore?

New items? Increase in level cap? New recipes? New base materials?

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Redenomination does not affect this situation. Your 10% of previous money has the same Buying Power (this is a technical term in economics) as the 100% did before. Buying up HQ items and selling them later will only prove advantageous if the demand for that item increases post ARR and thus causes the price to end up at something higher than 10% of what it was before. Other items may end up with values less than 10% of what they were before. It's a gamble that some people like to bet on.

Outside of this, everyone has the same amount of gil porportionally as they did before, and no one person suddenly becomes richer or poorer than they were before as a sole result of redenomination.

The other posts above are also pretty spot on.

It could hardly be more clear.

Yoshida said himself that gil is being redenominated. 1 decimal place to the left for all gil amounts in the game.

Not sure why there is still confusion on this.

That said, I completely disagree that this will have 'no impact'. Some wards pricing has been psychologically ingrained. It will be very hard to break. Prices will drop to match but not by 1/10th - no way.

This is not a simple math problem. Unfortunately people never react purely logically nor predictably in any market system. There are a number of highly technical economic theories as to why this happens in any type of market system. Basic macroeconomics cannot properly attempt to define this, advanced economics has major problems trying to define it as well. This is just reality and we all have to deal with it. The possibility of zero inflation or deflation in currency is highly improbable.

The likelihood that our purchasing power will diminish is almost a certainty to me.

1) People will not all of a sudden reduce their prices to 10% of current value.
2) My guess is, at some point before 10% of current cost is reached, people will start buying.
3) There will be more people playing, especially new players. This should increase demand at a higher rate.
4) While supply/demand will definitely change, whichever items end up highest in demand and hardest to obtain will cost relatively more in ARR than they would in 1.0.
5) Probably other stuff too that is impossible to guess at this point.

Not to mention the investment in savings can be represented in time, industriousness, and ingenuity. Those who saved will be losing relatively more than those who did not save.

To put a number on someone's effort required to save, lets say player A saved and player B did not save. Player A loses 90% of their saving and player B loses 90% of their savings. Player A's effort in saving, lets make that a number which equals 1000. Player B's effort in saving, lets make that a number which equals 10.

Player A loses 900 points of their effort, while player B only loses 9 points of their effort.

This would be OK if you could guarantee an economy to react logically and predictably. This is just not a reality...

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Originally Posted by Quesse

It could hardly be more clear.

Yoshida said himself that gil is being redenominated. 1 decimal place to the left for all gil amounts in the game.

Not sure why there is still confusion on this.

That said, I completely disagree that this will have 'no impact'. Some wards pricing has been psychologically ingrained. It will be very hard to break. Prices will drop to match but not by 1/10th - no way.

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Some will drop by more, some iwll drop by less. It depends largely on how supply and demand plays out upon release. If people try to exploit the redenomination, they will quickly find that few people will buy into it. It's just like when money inflates, some prices change more/less/faster/slower than others. People will have to re-psychologically ingrain their pricing, because nobody is going to pay drastically more than they do now just because the currency was redenominated Most buyers aren't any more or less stupid than sellers.

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The likelihood that our purchasing power will diminish is almost a certainty to me.

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The likelyhood your purchasing power will diminish is negligible at best. it doesn't usually happen in real life, nor will it in the game. Purchasing power decreases when costs go up but income does not. The influx of gil into the system relative to the amount coming out is going to stay roughly the same (Not exactly the same, considering part of the reasoning for the redenomination). Therefore you're not going to see any wild shifts in prices, unless a shift and supply and demand causes it.

Finally, any shift in purchasing power will affect everyone by the same porportion. A redenomination, being a simple conversion of X number of units to 1 unit, cannot disrupt this.

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Not to mention the investment in savings can be represented in time, industriousness, and ingenuity. Those who saved will be losing relatively more than those who did not save.

Player A loses 900 points of their effort, while player B only loses 9 points of their effort.

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This is a non-issue. Everything is scaled in equal porportion. the same portion of gil is applied to all. You need to look as a percentage, not as per unit. There is still the same percentage gap in 1000 vs 100 as there is in 10 vs 1. Both parties lost the same portion of the effort the put in. Both parties have the same buying power they had before.

In closing, yes, it is actually a simple math problem. You can try to spin it to look like people with more money are being hurt more, but that is not the case.

The only real impact to the economy being caused here is the removal of a common consumable.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

This is a non-issue. Everything is scaled in equal porportion. the same portion of gil is applied to all. You need to look as a percentage, not as per unit. There is still the same percentage gap in 1000 vs 100 as there is in 10 vs 1. Both parties lost the same portion of the effort the put in. Both parties have the same buying power they had before.

In closing, yes, it is actually a simple math problem. You can try to spin it to look like people with more money are being hurt more, but that is not the case.

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Instead of efforts being represented by points, and player A losing 900 points of effort, and player B losing 9 points of effort. Consider points equal to hours spent towards the goal of saving. Consider player A losing 900 hours of their playing time, and player B losing 9 hours of their playing time. You can debate how much of an issue it will be, but you cannot simply call it math problem nor a non-issue...

There are examples of redenomination in real economies. These are never simple math problems. Granted real economies are more complex and scaled larger, but there are enough similar characteristics in a game economy to consider them.

After thinking about it there actually is an issue with this. Which is, will the player market reduce the cost of items by 9/10s as well. Probably won't settle all the way 9/10s lower so some of the players buying power now is actually lost. It will probably effect cheaper items more then you think.

For example 30k for a cobalt plate belt the current price, that should be 3k but say people think 3k is too cheap and the price settles at around 10k, which in the old currency would be buying it for 100k.

Fact is the prices of items will be totally wiped clean and new prices will emerge. Will they be exactly 9/10s lower now? Most likely no since this is a player driven economy and people are free to price stuff at whatever they want and yes they can get away with selling cheaper items for a lot more then what they use to be worth.

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Originally Posted by Jaeger

Instead of efforts being represented by points, and player A losing 900 points of effort, and player B losing 9 points of effort. Consider points equal to hours spent towards the goal of saving. Consider player A losing 900 hours of their playing time, and player B losing 9 hours of their playing time. You can debate how much of an issue it will be, but you cannot simply call it math problem nor a non-issue...

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You are still thinking in literal values.