Atomos = Inflation...

If this Atomos event doesn't end soon then the value of gil is going to drop to nothing. Touch of Rage/Savage Might/Heaven's Eye has shot up 700k-1m in price in the past 2 days... It doesn't stop there, almost everything has shot up a good 50% in value on the wards in the past 3 days.

Inflation is awesome isn't it?

I think it is more people with a lot of gil are spending it fast so they won't lose it in the cap in 2.0. But I am sure Atomos spam is also contributing.

No one is doing anything but the event right now and thats probably the biggest thing thats hurting the economy besides the other obvious factor. The weekends are normally the stockup time where everyones filling up the wards with their crap making it impossible to sell which isn't happening this week.

Case and point, every weekend for the past 5 weeks has had over 100 pairs of nq felt bracers going up on the wards by sunday on my server and right now there are 44, most of those are melded. That is the norm of what it is in the middle of the week.

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Originally Posted by Niqote

I think it is more people with a lot of gil are spending it fast so they won't lose it in the cap in 2.0. But I am sure Atomos spam is also contributing.

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You won't lose any gils... They just take your money and split by 10.

EX.
You have 356 000 000 --> You'll have 35 600 000
You have 54 000 000 --> You'll have 5 400 000
Otherwise people with less than 100 000 000 would be advantaged
/otmode off

Back to topic, I don't think that Atomos could ever have any influence on game economy. -.-

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Originally Posted by Enma

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You won't lose any gils... They just take your money and split by 10.

EX.
You have 356 000 000 --> You'll have 35 600 000
You have 54 000 000 --> You'll have 5 400 000
Otherwise people with less than 100 000 000 would be advantaged
/otmode off

Back to topic, I don't think that Atomos could ever have any influence on game economy. -.-

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Your post is so off and shows so much unawareness. People are making pretty good gil off the event. More importantly, yes, the announcement about the gil cap has caused huge inflation. SE should of kept this a secret, but w/e.

I think the Atomos event really just triggered how much money exists in the game in the first place. Inflation has always been hidden due to insanely low demand.

We have no idea how Square dealt with the gil issue from the Atomos event because their communication and customer support just isn't any good.

No the problem is people spending seals to buy Dawn Drops to NPC. I'm really shocked something hasn't been done about it.

People are getting anywhere from 500k gil worth of seals per Atomos pop. Of course everything is going to raise in price when more people have gil.

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Originally Posted by Lum

No the problem is people spending seals to buy Dawn Drops to NPC. I'm really shocked something hasn't been done about it.

People are getting anywhere from 500k gil worth of seals per Atomos pop. Of course everything is going to raise in price when more people have gil.

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"Anywhere from.." means you have to give a range of values instead of one

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Originally Posted by Enma

/otmode on

You won't lose any gils... They just take your money and split by 10.

EX.
You have 356 000 000 --> You'll have 35 600 000
You have 54 000 000 --> You'll have 5 400 000
Otherwise people with less than 100 000 000 would be advantaged
/otmode off

Back to topic, I don't think that Atomos could ever have any influence on game economy. -.-

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Atomos is having a huge influence on the high-end economy. For example the relic dbl-meld recipe tree. Heavens Eye has went from 2mil to 4mil, Sarnga dbl went from 29mil to 45mil. Market ward stock of all mats required diminished fast.

It is however, starting to recover, although prices are still too high.

Once people get there 500k seals achievement and their fill of gil from blood/dawn drops, should be back to normal. not seen anywhere that its going to end, event page has no start date.

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Originally Posted by Ricky

"Anywhere from.." means you have to give a range of values instead of one

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LMAO, exactly what I was thinking. 500k is exaggerated by about 100k. As 4crystals is about 88k gil.

Considering that Atomos -> gil trick is only going to work AS LONG as the GC event is happening....Atomos may be staying, but the GC event won't be.

Double post...........

Sorry some pretty dreary math last night. I blame the bad hotel and zero minutes of sleep.

1000/15 = 66.66 batches

16 crystals per cycle [1 hour] = 4000 seals = 4 turn ins [just using this as a baseline, may be lower or higher]

66.66 batches x 10 drops x 4 turn ins x 125 [price] = 333300 gil per hour
333,300 gil per hour x 10 hours = 3.33 million gil per day
21 million gil a week.

It's too much money.

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Originally Posted by Platinumstorm

I've calculated a 10 hour day shift each day during the week at about 2.3 million gil being optimistic and getting 16 crystals each hour - likely higher than average.

While the amount of money going into the game is concerning, I don't think it reaches the level from the game's launch and ridiculous amount of money earned in a few minutes. When our market is less dreary, I usually earn about 1.5 million gil per week on crafted items from my retainer sales, and it can reach up to several million [and I'm not terribly aggressive with it]. Materia sellers and gatherers make a lot too. I think we're seeing people acquiring and then spending gil rapidly as a source of this inflation and not as a result of overall gil coming into the system. This gil is just going to gather more and more into the crafters who are amassing money, so whether it makes an impact or not is questionable.

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I know ppl getting 10+mil a day

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Originally Posted by Platinumstorm

I've calculated a 10 hour day shift each day during the week at about 2.3 million gil being optimistic and getting 16 crystals each hour - likely higher than average.

While the amount of money going into the game is concerning, I don't think it reaches the level from the game's launch and ridiculous amount of money earned in a few minutes. When our market is less dreary, I usually earn about 1.5 million gil per week on crafted items from my retainer sales, and it can reach up to several million [and I'm not terribly aggressive with it]. Materia sellers and gatherers make a lot too. I think we're seeing people acquiring and then spending gil rapidly as a source of this inflation and not as a result of overall gil coming into the system. This gil is just going to gather more and more into the crafters who are amassing money, so whether it makes an impact or not is questionable.

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I have to kind of agree with you and other people in this topic about the people that are just amassing gil. The people that the gil is going to in the long run are the ones that basically just collect it. For every 60 people that are making a mil a day for this event theres one person that has like 500 mil thats just sitting there. On an unrelated note, the thing i think is odd about this event, and the REAL reason that all this money is coming into the system is the fact that you can check the stones multiple times, which is kind of baffling to me. They should have made it so you can only check the stone once per kill, kept the clusters in and removed the gravity effect so theres a chance of getting anima, getting 5-7 crystals, a cluster, or flee when you check on the stone meaning youd get one chance at a decent award for every atomos kill.

Yes but you making 1.5 million gil on the Market Wards isn't the same thing at all. That's just gil that's getting transfered between people and the gil has no real effect on the economy as a whole. When millions of gil are coming out of nowhere (NPCing things by the thousands) that's a real problem. That's a huge amount of gil that's being introduced into the system all at once and will definitely cause an inflation, its severity dependant on how much this is actually being done. They should have made the stuff unNPCable or increased the price of the items in seals, if they did that even slightly it'd have been better than what could be a major inflation.

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Originally Posted by KizuBriko

If this Atomos event doesn't end soon then the value of gil is going to drop to nothing. Touch of Rage/Savage Might/Heaven's Eye has shot up 700k-1m in price in the past 2 days... It doesn't stop there, almost everything has shot up a good 50% in value on the wards in the past 3 days.

Inflation is awesome isn't it?

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thats mostly bcz less ppl are sbing and there are less ppl right now in general

the thing that makes it insane gil/hr is the fact that for 45-50 minutes per every hour you can spend gathering/crafting/sbing and then for 10-15 minutes click on a rock for amazing ... say... gil per minute.

me thinks SE screwed up again

how to make a bad game worse ask SE

I don't get it..how are people making gil out of it? Blood/Danw drops? What the hell is that lol?

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Originally Posted by Sagagemini

I don't get it..how are people making gil out of it? Blood/Danw drops? What the hell is that lol?

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blood drops and dawn drops are items you can purchase at the recruit rank from every GC. they cost almost no seals to purchase (10-15 respectively) so people are using the crazy amount of seals they are earning from founders day to purchase stacks and stacks of them then vendoring them.

To give you a rough idea, one overaspected cluster is worth about 264,000 gil if you purchase nothing but blood drops with it. Roughly it's a little less than 90,000 gil per 1000 seals. which normally isn't much but because now people have been able to get hundreds of thousands of seals with minimal effort/time involvement it means that a dedicated person can make millions of gil out of thin air due to this event.

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Originally Posted by Ferth

blood drops and dawn drops are items you can purchase at the recruit rank from every GC. they cost almost no seals to purchase (10-15 respectively) so people are using the crazy amount of seals they are earning from founders day to purchase stacks and stacks of them then vendoring them.

To give you a rough idea, one overaspected cluster is worth about 264,000 gil if you purchase nothing but blood drops with it. Roughly it's a little less than 90,000 gil per 1000 seals. which normally isn't much but because now people have been able to get hundreds of thousands of seals with minimal effort/time involvement it means that a dedicated person can make millions of gil out of thin air due to this event.

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Wow, that's ridiculous.
I didn't know about that. I got 70k seals with the event, bought some GC equip/weapons and stopped doing it.

Atomos is NOT causing inflation. The only way to turn Atomos crystals into NEW game money ('cause getting it off other players does nothing to the economy), is to mass buy/sell dawn drops... But have you actually tried doing this? Try doing it with 5k seals.... It takes hours upon hours, and that 5k seals wont even get you a mil in gil. The time it takes to do this, you could earn the same off farming or pretty much anything else.

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Originally Posted by TheFrozenOne

Yes but you making 1.5 million gil on the Market Wards isn't the same thing at all. That's just gil that's getting transfered between people and the gil has no real effect on the economy as a whole. When millions of gil are coming out of nowhere (NPCing things by the thousands) that's a real problem. That's a huge amount of gil that's being introduced into the system all at once and will definitely cause an inflation, its severity dependant on how much this is actually being done. They should have made the stuff unNPCable or increased the price of the items in seals, if they did that even slightly it'd have been better than what could be a major inflation.

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Right, and I mention this too; but the amount of gil coming into the game at the beginning of the game was very intense, and lasted for a much longer period of time. I'm not atomos has the same kind of power to affect the economy as the game's first launch did.

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Originally Posted by Ferth

blood drops and dawn drops are items you can purchase at the recruit rank from every GC. they cost almost no seals to purchase (10-15 respectively) so people are using the crazy amount of seals they are earning from founders day to purchase stacks and stacks of them then vendoring them.

To give you a rough idea, one overaspected cluster is worth about 264,000 gil if you purchase nothing but blood drops with it. Roughly it's a little less than 90,000 gil per 1000 seals. which normally isn't much but because now people have been able to get hundreds of thousands of seals with minimal effort/time involvement it means that a dedicated person can make millions of gil out of thin air due to this event.

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EXTREMELY dedicated... I've been doing this to help me get the 500k seal achievement (I bought all my crystals, so I'm not making any profit), and I can tell you that it takes SO much time that I wouldn't be worried about this causing any real inflation problems. Any inflation going on is likely due to the fact that people THINK the gil cap is going down and so they're spending all their 'excess' gil en mass.

It's likely just going to be temporary as the game has a lot of decent gil sinks in the form of multi-melding.

A lot more money is entering the economy right now but a lot more is going to start disappearing too as people will have the gil and will take the risk on more double or triple melds which should eat up a good amount of the gil coming in. This is going to have an intimidate impact on materia prices as demand for them goes up but it will eventually settle back down once the event is over and enough gil is blown up in failed melds.

I would like to point out, if no one has already, that Yoshida said player housing would come in two forms. An affordable house and a ridiculously expensive house. If it is something like 50 million for the expensive house, that will take a lot of the money out of circulation in a matter of hours.

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Originally Posted by Ladon

It's likely just going to be temporary as the game has a lot of decent gil sinks in the form of multi-melding.

A lot more money is entering the economy right now but a lot more is going to start disappearing too as people will have the gil and will take the risk on more double or triple melds which should eat up a good amount of the gil coming in. This is going to have an intimidate impact on materia prices as demand for them goes up but it will eventually settle back down once the event is over and enough gil is blown up in failed melds.

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But that gil doesn't go anywhere but into the hands of another player, so it stays in the system. You'd need something that actually takes the excess gil out of the system, which could be when the ARR launches, till then the ecomony will be inflated without a way to ease the gil coming into the system.

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Originally Posted by TheFrozenOne

But that gil doesn't go anywhere but into the hands of another player, so it stays in the system. You'd need something that actually takes the excess gil out of the system, which could be when the ARR launches, till then the ecomony will be inflated without a way to ease the gil coming into the system.

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As long as a lot of players aren't doing direct trades then the retainer taxes take out a decent chunk. People with more gil are more willing to pay the tax as well. Also if melds are blowing up items then there is a gil sink there since a lot of items require a good amount of vendor items to make.

It's going to be a problem as long as the event is going on though as I'm sure the rate of gil coming in far exceeds the gil sinks, but it should stabilize pretty quick even with the current systems once they cut off the event.

Atomos is screwing up the economy but mostly because there is no supply anymore.

Demand is still there but all the suppliers are doing Atomos.

Don't think this is related so much to turning in seals for gil.

This is just a simple lesson for everyone in Supply / Demand theory. Supply goes down, Demand stays constant, prices go..... UP!

My point is that a large amount of time is being put into Atomos by alot of players, therefore the Wards are running dry, which is boosting up the prices of certain things.

Many hours spent at Atomos where those players may have spent many hours spritbonding, making the price of Heavens Eye IV skyrocket.

OK let me explain how money works because people seem to think that Atomos = Inflation. Which in a way is true. If you were given an easy way to get a lot of GC seals your going to use it.

Because everyone is out waiting for Atomos to pop they are spending less time doing other things.
Less time to gather items.
Less time to spirit bond.
Less time to craft.

People with money are still buying items they need because its convenient.

With a much lower supply of items and little to no change in demand the ward are selling out causing prices to go up.

As far as people selling crystals people are making money off of these but its just another commodity.
There is no money getting added to the system because the only way the at money is added is by killing mobs with gil, selling items to npc's, or doing quests.

Money is just changing hands now in great quantity on an item that is easy to obtain but high in demand.

SE only mistake was to create an event there servers could not hand and had to remove one of the best rewards from it. While 3K clusters were still available the price of crystals was going down. I was not even turning mine in I was saving them B/C they offer a nice attack boost. Once Clusters got removed the demand for crystals went up so there prices rose.

Bottom line is that all the stuff on the AH can be obtained your self. Yes some you need a group for the drop but there are people who need items that you can sell to them and then buy what you want that's the cycle.

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Originally Posted by Kagoma

There is no money getting added to the system because the only way the at money is added is by killing mobs with gil, selling items to npc's, or doing quests.

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People constantly trading in seals for dawn drops and NPCing them adds a lot of money to the system.

Is it indicated anywhere how long they intend to have this event active?

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Originally Posted by Victor

Is it indicated anywhere how long they intend to have this event active?

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I think they said until everyone has max gil of 999,999,999

Me, I'm mostly trying to stock seals for the next GC rank, though I also want to keep some of these crystals for my own use, 40 seconds may not be alot of time, but for that time, you get a huge boost to your damage,. For tough fights, I'd say it's worth it.

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Originally Posted by Quesse

I think they said until everyone has max gil of 999,999,999

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For realsies >.>

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Originally Posted by Niqote

I think it is more people with a lot of gil are spending it fast so they won't lose it in the cap in 2.0. But I am sure Atomos spam is also contributing.

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Thing is, they aren't going to lose anything so they're just shooting themselves in the foot.

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Originally Posted by Punainen

Atomos is NOT causing inflation. The only way to turn Atomos crystals into NEW game money ('cause getting it off other players does nothing to the economy), is to mass buy/sell dawn drops... But have you actually tried doing this? Try doing it with 5k seals.... It takes hours upon hours, and that 5k seals wont even get you a mil in gil. The time it takes to do this, you could earn the same off farming or pretty much anything else.

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It might not be greased lightning, but it sure is easy considering all you have to do is spam the enter key for a while then go to a vendor and sell it all.

If some people think they are losing gil by the gil change they will start to mass buy items to get rid of their gil.