Repair system made better

For repairs I would like a "Repair Kit" that could patch up the item to 75% and could be used by any class and rank to repair any item.

Then I would have people who repair things properly and use the correct mats a chance to be able to +1 the repair. This could give the items 125% durabilty until it drops down and is repaired again. You could even take it further and give the item the stats of a +1 item until durability dropped to 100% and so on. This would encourage proper repairs and still allow people to patch up items while out in the field.

No to the repair kit.

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Originally Posted by Reika

No to the repair kit.

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I concur....

Because carrying around 15-20 different repair items is so much fun? Crafters could still be used to make the repair kits.

I don't care for the idea of repair kits, but I posted something similiar to this in another thread.

NPC Repairs (In Cities)

• Make it so that NPC's will repair items up to 100%
• Make it so that the cost of NPC repairs is simplified across the board, something like R1-10 = 500gil, R11-20 = 2,000 gil, R21-30 = 4,000 gil, R31-40 = 8,000 gil, R41-50 = 15,000 gil. (Just a rough example)

NPC Repairs (At Camps and Aetherytes)

• Make is to there is an NPC at Camps and Aetherial Gates that will repair up to 75% durability. The cost of these repairs 'out in the wild' is 50% more than the REVISED NPC costs in town.

Player Repairs

• Make it so that players can repair items up to 125%
• Make it so that items repaired to 125% also have a 25% bonus to all its statisics. Defense, Attack, Attributes, all goes up to 25%. (NOTE: a 25% bonus is just AN EXAMPLE. It could be 20/15/10 or even 5%)
• Make it so that as the item takes durability the bonus % to stats goes down as durability goes down. 24%, 20% etc. One the item hits 100 durability there is no longer a bonus.

The positives of this is it promotes players repairs as a boon and doesn't make it seem like an irritating requirement. If you only have a short time to play you can get still get your gear repaired to full without wasting time searching for a PC repair.

The revisions to the NPC repairs make it a better sytem overall. Instead of going around with damaged gear when you can't find a player to repair you are likely to get an NPC repair at a cheaper cost. Having NPC repairs at camps and aetherials will be a worthwhile convenience for players who need a quick repair and do not want to run back to town when players are not around. Also it is a great money sink. Yes the cost to repair is lower now for NPCs but that means you are getting alot more players to dump some gil into it. This game needs money sinks, imo this is a fair money sink and better repair system overall.

No thanks to kits.

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Originally Posted by Vesper

[*]Make it so that items repaired to 125% also have a 25% bonus to all its statisics. Defense, Attack, Attributes, all goes up to 25%.[*]Make it so that as the item takes durability the bonus % to stats goes down as durability goes down. 24%, 20% etc. One the item hits 100 durability there is no longer a bonus.

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Vesper, I like the idea of temporary boosts to items via repairs, but the current HQ system grants at max a +15% boost to attributes for a +3, and only grants them to the primary attributes (i.e. the ones with the stars next to them).

It seems that a blanket +25% boost completely overpowers the viability of "standard" HQ items, particularly if a player can achieve this 25% boost with ordinary items.

I might suggest a boost of +10% (in line with a +2 item) with ordinary items, with larger bonuses possible using rare materials.

I also say no to repair kits.

Giving items a 25% increase across the board when repaired properly is bit too much of a jump that would make NQ equipment better than +3 equipment when repaired and unbalance stats even further when a +3 item would be repaired so people would just keep repairing it to keep the huge boost to stats. That is why in my version I made it a chance to +1 the repair so as not to cause to much disruption so that everyone would be running around with beefed up gear from repairs, and it would make it more special when it did +1.

I can't see the problem with a repair kit being used to repair anything to 75% it will help you inventory while out in the field as you wouldn't need to carry around lots of repair mats as Veasna mentioned and it only repairs to 75%. You could even have them sold by the repair NPC to put in the gill sink to slowly remove some gill from the economy.

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Originally Posted by Amineri

Vesper, I like the idea of temporary boosts to items via repairs, but the current HQ system grants at max a +15% boost to attributes for a +3, and only grants them to the primary attributes (i.e. the ones with the stars next to them).

It seems that a blanket +25% boost completely overpowers the viability of "standard" HQ items, particularly if a player can achieve this 25% boost with ordinary items.

I might suggest a boost of +10% (in line with a +2 item) with ordinary items, with larger bonuses possible using rare materials.

I also say no to repair kits.

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It's really just a quick example. It could be changed to 20/15/10% or even less than that. But it must be worthwhile enough to promote players's to want it.hh

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Originally Posted by Amineri

I also say no to repair kits.

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Close the thread now, thanks.

I like your idea aswell Vesper. I just want those items out of my inventory.

Some great ideas here I hope they look into them. Repair kits would be awesome and save so much hassle of carrying around mats and tool's everywhere I go.

Why not just make another tab/section in one's inventory for the repair materials? Or, persay, you can choose to move them to that tab if you so wished to.

Space constraints are already annoying enough to deal with as it is. I wouldn't mind repairing other folks' gear for a small sum, but nearly half of these players have gears that need repair mats that I don't have...and it's due to space constraints that I don't carry all sorts.

A repair kit to 50%, I think would be acceptable. It makes the kit useful for mid-battle repairs as a hasty OH CRAP IT BROKE sorta of thing, without taking away the necessity of player or NPC repairs. I guess this would be sort of the "Duct Tape fixes everything" sort of repair.

As for the idea of the +125%, I agree with it in general. I think the right number would be about ~110% given the current +1/+2/+3 bonuses.

I can see a reasoning behind a crafter's bonus to the item durability, but not for the extra stats during that over 100% boost. I'm already picturing elitist people who will abuse others by saying "must have durability above 100% at all times or gtfo".

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Originally Posted by Shikaree

I can see a reasoning behind a crafter's bonus to the item durability, but not for the extra stats during that over 100% boost. I'm already picturing elitist people who will abuse others by saying "must have durability above 100% at all times or gtfo".

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How is that any different than "Must have +3 or GTFO" or "Must be Rank 50 or GTFO". Elitists will always be elitist, and always demand the best or GTFO. It doesn't matter what the best is. Meanwhile, expand the repair system and hey! Crafters have something to do! Make it so that repairs over 100% can only be done with +1/+2+3 mats, and maybe the "Something to do" will trickle down to gatherers as well, at least a little bit.

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Originally Posted by origamikitsune

How is that any different than "Must have +3 or GTFO" or "Must be Rank 50 or GTFO". Elitists will always be elitist, and always demand the best or GTFO. It doesn't matter what the best is. Meanwhile, expand the repair system and hey! Crafters have something to do! Make it so that repairs over 100% can only be done with +1/+2+3 mats, and maybe the "Something to do" will trickle down to gatherers as well, at least a little bit.

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Since you decided to push this subject;

Many people already hate the durability system. One is that before the wear rate was too fast, the second was the first durability hit where it's said that stats decrease. SE recently fixed the system to a satisfying medium. Having +stats just for having that durability over 100% will only reintroduce the first problem of that "first gear status hit" at a percentage it shouldn't be there at all. 100%+ will now be seen as "optimal stat gear" and 35%-100% will be seen as "gimped, damaged gear".

Late game activities are all about 'the stats'. They will find every way to maximize their character and these methods will be mandatory. With a system like that in place, to have bonus stat benefits for items over their normal durability limit, will create a negative reason to what's normal durability now.

If you want crafters to create augment items for gear instead, ok the community can live with that. But sticking it into the durability factor is stupid.

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Originally Posted by Shikaree

Since you decided to push this subject;

Many people already hate the durability system. One is that before the wear rate was too fast, the second was the first durability hit where it's said that stats decrease. SE recently fixed the system to a satisfying medium. Having +stats just for having that durability over 100% will only reintroduce the first problem of that "first gear status hit" at a percentage it shouldn't be there at all. 100%+ will now be seen as "optimal stat gear" and 35%-100% will be seen as "gimped, damaged gear".

Late game activities are all about 'the stats'. They will find every way to maximize their character and these methods will be mandatory. With a system like that in place, to have bonus stat benefits for items over their normal durability limit, will create a negative reason to what's normal durability now.

If you want crafters to create augment items for gear instead, ok the community can live with that. But sticking it into the durability factor is stupid.

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Well the repair kits would help sort out many of the problems that people had with the repair system ie carrying around all the mats and leveling crafts for repairs or waiting for someone to repair the item. They can just patch it up them self anywhere at any time.

For the +1 repairs it would be very random like 1 in 100 chance so it would not become +3 item with +1 as the norm at all. Yes HQ gear is great and there are people who HAVE to have it and there always will be but they are not the majority. There will always be elitists whatever they do but it won't be the norm.

Is it the norm to have everything +3 or GTFO now? In FFXI even now that isn't the case, certain things yes but you can still get by with NQ gear for the most part.

I must admit that while I like the idea of a greater than 100% dura = +X, i'm not stuck on it. Personally, I would just like to see more DEPTH to the repair system. That could take on any number of forms. I think there is a lot of opportunity there to increase the playability, viability, and importance of crafters without forcing a negative aspect on the players who do not like crafting.

Perhaps a better example would be a "Battlefield Kit" where in a crafter can provide temporary boosts to weapons/armors, etc., mid battle. While that would not necessarily be viable with the current battles in the game, it would be viable should they ever add longer battles (I'm thinking Kirin, here). Something that encourages crafters to support combat in some way without actively being in the combat would be a level of depth that IMO is ideal.

Broken gear doesn't seem to have that much effect tbh. It would be good if gear didn't give any stats at all when it's in red (forces people to repair). It would be a good idea to have it break completely if you stay at 0% for xxxx more damage: have to rebuy the piece of gear or something like that. It would give work to the crafters :p

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Originally Posted by Shikaree

Since you decided to push this subject;

Many people already hate the durability system. One is that before the wear rate was too fast, the second was the first durability hit where it's said that stats decrease. SE recently fixed the system to a satisfying medium. Having +stats just for having that durability over 100% will only reintroduce the first problem of that "first gear status hit" at a percentage it shouldn't be there at all. 100%+ will now be seen as "optimal stat gear" and 35%-100% will be seen as "gimped, damaged gear".

Late game activities are all about 'the stats'. They will find every way to maximize their character and these methods will be mandatory. With a system like that in place, to have bonus stat benefits for items over their normal durability limit, will create a negative reason to what's normal durability now.

If you want crafters to create augment items for gear instead, ok the community can live with that. But sticking it into the durability factor is stupid.

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You can no longer examine a person and see the durability of their gear. The only indication is the DAMAGE item near a party members name in the group. Thats an easy fix, make it so that a damaged gear icon doe NOT appear next to the players name in the group. Then only the player sees it. Now the 100% or 125% issue is gone for the most part.

Lets face it, elite jackasses will always find ways to be elite jackass.