Porting to the PS4?

Hello everyone :)

With the launch of 2.0 ARR for PC and PS3, although it looks amazing, some people are still complaining about the PS3's limitations, even some of the team have stressed here and there the hardships or transporting things to the PS3 and the PS3's memory and blah blah blah.

That being said, I was just wondering if in, lets say a few years or less, the PS4 is released and just like everyone thinks, its graphics and gaming are on a whole different level than the PS3 - would they be able to update FFXIV:ARR to the PS4 and make it even better? Or will it always be limited to how they made it for the PS3?(Knowing PC games can always be updated and made better)

If anyone knows if they have spoken about this already please reply! If the devs could even give a response that would be awesome too! Thanks~

no one knows, but it is a possibility, we will have to wait and see how well FFXIV does on PS3 and when they actually announce the PS4 to see what will happen.

As long as the engine is scaleable I don't see why not, like the DX11 features they want to implement in the future will not be possible on the PS3. But as far as content goes I don't think they can make stuff that only the PC/PS4 can handle since that would exclude a lot of PS3 players.

True I didnt think that when the PS4 comes out that EVERYONE will have one, they'll probably have to still manage it for the PS3 for a long time :\

they made the graphic engine to be flexible for the future

These guys are still trying to get ARR out for PC and then PS3, and you're worrying about the PS4? I wouldn't worry. FFXI was released for PS2 and ported to Xbox 360.

iirc, a few months after the PS3 was released, there was an update that allowed XI to be played on PS3

Im no where near worried lol, Im just curious..

ps4 is a myth

You can have your PS4 version if people can have their Wii U version.

Anyway, won't they be compatible? It doesn't need to be ported, they could just detect your console and change some graphics settings depending on which one it's installed on or something.

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Originally Posted by Rau

iirc, a few months after the PS3 was released, there was an update that allowed XI to be played on PS3

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Unfortunately that only worked on the original PS3s, and then Sony removed backwards compatibility.

Both MS and Sony are pushing the current consoles as far as they can. I jsut hope this time around Sony uses better common sense with memory design and avaiability. The Memory has held it back for many developers. Just as logn as the PS3 doesn't hold back ARR like the PS2 held back XI to keep content similiar across the platforms. The 360 version of XI was actally a scaled PC version (complete with bugs at that point)., basically Emulated.

No doubt they will continue scalign down visuals and draw distance as well as effects for the PS3 version but doing SE art magic to make it still look good. However they shouldn't limit PC's that are much higher speced as a result.

Ps4? That depends on the core design. If similair to the PS3, they ccan use the base tools used for the PS3 and upscale for the higher memory and GPU, which means Opengl limitations. If a different design, they may need to rework the tools for it, and decidde if it is warrented based on units sold and peopel interested.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

You can have your PS4 version if people can have their Wii U version.

Anyway, won't they be compatible? It doesn't need to be ported, they could just detect your console and change some graphics settings depending on which one it's installed on or something.

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The PS4 won't be backward compatibe. To reduce the costs, they are switching to intel CPUs. I don,t remember where I have read that but it sounded pretty much official.

I don't think even single player developers are worrying about the PS4 atm lol

The point of this thread wasnt to worry specifically about the PS4, I was more of using that as an example since that will most likely be Sonys next gaming platform, but more of can they upgrade things like their servers and graphics, and UI and things like that as time goes on and things get upgraded.

And also they DO have to worry about things like that if they want this game to last for years to come like FFXI!

well the games specs are locked in now for ps3 till they stop supporting it. just like FFXI was locked into ps2 specs, now ps2 is gone ffxi still got no upgrade not even for the textures.

should put attention on the Wii-U since thats the next system coming out.

They've said the engine is easily scalable in a way that prevents the ps3 from holding back the game. Or at least that's how I understood it.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

I don't think even single player developers are worrying about the PS4 atm lol

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Square Enix. Luminous engine.

Have a nice day.

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Originally Posted by indira

well the games specs are locked in now for ps3 till they stop supporting it. just like FFXI was locked into ps2 specs, now ps2 is gone ffxi still got no upgrade not even for the textures.

should put attention on the Wii-U since thats the next system coming out.

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The Wii-U would be a bad choice. This console is not being marketed for the players who would play FFXIV.

While there will be some good games on it, the reality is that most of the games are for kids or grandpa/grandma.

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Originally Posted by Randelmire

Square Enix. Luminous engine.

Have a nice day.

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Designed to be work on multiple platforms. Have a nice day.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Designed to be work on multiple platforms. Have a nice day.

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Yes and no. It's not as easy as saying "Oh, let's make that multi-platform. *POOF*! Oh, it works on PS4! /joy"

They actually have to code a part of it FOR the PS4. So, they do care single player games on the PS4.

IMO making the game cross-platform limits the overall potential of the game, all the modern MMOs that they are comparing to for "modern standards" are PC MMOs.

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Originally Posted by Randelmire

The Wii-U would be a bad choice. This console is not being marketed for the players who would play FFXIV.

While there will be some good games on it, the reality is that most of the games are for kids or grandpa/grandma.

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you have no clue how completely wrong you are ;p

I do not understand some people, and half of the people that say the things you do, have never even played many of the good Wii games, and the Wii U is no different.

Launch Window release list:
http://kotaku.com/5942965/heres-the-...-launch-window

I am seeing a good number of M rated games there, and good titles too, along with fun games as well like Tank! Tank! Tank!

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

you have no clue how completely wrong you are ;p

I do not understand some people, and half of the people that say the things you do, have never even played many of the good Wii games, and the Wii U is no different.

Launch Window release list:
http://kotaku.com/5942965/heres-the-...-launch-window

I am seeing a good number of M rated games there, and good titles too, along with fun games as well like Tank! Tank! Tank!

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Read again. I did say there are great games on the Wii. But face it, most (not all) of them are for kids, or your aunt. (Thinking about games like Cooking Mama, Wii Fit, etc.). Most of the Wii player base wouldn't be interested in playing an FF MMO. (Again, I said "most". I do own a Wii too, and I play FFXIV too, but that doesn't make the Wii-U a good console for FFXIV)

Now look at the PS3 or Xbox360, most of the games on these consoles are for more mature players. It would only makes much more sense to make the game for one of these two consoles. Also, concidering in the last few years numbered FF games were exclusive to the Playstation, it also makes more sense to release the game on the PS3.

Yoshida was asked this in an interview a while ago he said that they would look at it but before they start they will have to fulfill their promise of a PS3 release, and even then Sony has to announce the PS4 and give devs the tools to make it.

Yoshida wants to get as many players as possible on as many formats as possible, but first he needs to fulfill the promises already made.

You're better off asking a Magic 8 ball these questions...

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Originally Posted by Randelmire

Read again. I did say there are great games on the Wii. But face it, most (not all) of them are for kids, or your aunt. (Thinking about games like Cooking Mama, Wii Fit, etc.). Most of the Wii player base wouldn't be interested in playing an FF MMO. (Again, I said "most". I do own a Wii too, and I play FFXIV too, but that doesn't make the Wii-U a good console for FFXIV)

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I am an Aunt and I play MMOs! Your argument has no teeth! This game is rated T by the way. Teenagers are kids! And no, most games for the PS3 and 360 are not for "mature" players.

I don't know much about the Wii-U. I know it's not the Wii. I know what games on the Wii aren't of importance. I know that the Wii would have a lot more games if it were as easy to release a $60 game and then charge $30 more for the DLC. I think the Wii only has 512MB of internal storage. I assume this won't be an issue with the Wii-U since it has cost Nintendo a lot of business.

Why does everyone think this game is for mature players? How come I find a lot of immature ones playing this game? Where's that Magic Eight Ball again? I'd like some answers.

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Originally Posted by Randelmire

The Wii-U would be a bad choice. This console is not being marketed for the players who would play FFXIV.

While there will be some good games on it, the reality is that most of the games are for kids or grandpa/grandma.

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I'm sick of people saying bullshit like this.

Which of these games is most intended for kids and grandpa?

Bayonetta 2
Call of Duty Black Ops 2
Zombi U
Asassin's Creed 3
Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
Mass effect 3
Darksiders 2
Aliens: Colonial Marines

I'm pretty sure all of these except probably MH3U are rated M for mature. Bayonetta in particular is a really, really violent game.

Please, look at the facts before you go around throwing bullshit stereotypes. Nintendo and multiple third parties are offering plenty of mature titles on the Wii U. They aren't making weak systems just for kids anymore.

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But face it, most (not all) of them are for kids, or your aunt.

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Wii, yes. But this is Wii U we're talking about. They've got a lot of games for all audiences, including mature ones, in the launch window. Yes, some of them are not brand new. However it demonstrates the third party support Nintendo has this time around and that the system has the necessary capabilities for such games.

There does seem to be a lot of misconception about the Wii U. As someone who works in a small (very small) business video game store, the Wii games sell the least between Wii, PS3, and 360. I also almost never see a teenager or older trade-in a Wii game.

I've also had a lot of customers ask me if the Wii U was some add-on for the Wii, they had no idea it was a whole brand new console, next-gen, etc. I'm assuming that Nintendo's decision to cling to the 'Wii' name for their next console is probably part of the reason why everyone assumes it's going to be just like the Wii. I know it's frustrating, but I think the Wii-U is gonna have to prove everyone wrong on its own. You're not going to be able to change that misconception until then.

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Originally Posted by JusticeReborn

These guys are still trying to get ARR out for PC and then PS3, and you're worrying about the PS4? I wouldn't worry. FFXI was released for PS2 and ported to Xbox 360.

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But not ps3 nor vita even though it was looked into.

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Yoshida was asked this in an interview a while ago he said that they would look at it but before they start they will have to fulfill their promise of a PS3 release, and even then Sony has to announce the PS4 and give devs the tools to make it.

Yoshida wants to get as many players as possible on as many formats as possible, but first he needs to fulfill the promises already made.

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I forgot about this interview when he stated this! Thanks Delsus! Sounds promising, I guess if they wanted to they can port this over to the PS4.

Though my concern isn't just porting or being able to play it on the PS4 if/when it comes out, but IF the graphics can be updated for example and look better on a whole new level because of the PS4's capability.

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Originally Posted by PEANUT

I forgot about this interview when he stated this! Thanks Delsus! Sounds promising, I guess if they wanted to they can port this over to the PS4.

Though my concern isn't just porting or being able to play it on the PS4 if/when it comes out, but IF the graphics can be updated for example and look better on a whole new level because of the PS4's capability.

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It's a highly scalable engine, the graphics can be turned up and down depending on the device using it. They already said it's theoretically possible to turn them down enough to run on the Vita, so if they have the future in mind they will be able to turn the graphics up for future devices as well.

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Originally Posted by Laraul

I am an Aunt and I play MMOs!

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Wow! Congratulations! Unless you are an idiot, you understoon very well that what I'm trying to say is that a lot of people who are 40-50 years old and never really played videogames are targeted by Nintendo with the Wii.

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Originally Posted by Laraul

Your argument has no teeth! This game is rated T by the way. Teenagers are kids! And no, most games for the PS3 and 360 are not for "mature" players.

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Okay... now I don't know if you're being a smart ass or if you are really an idiot. The rating have nothing to do in this case.

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Originally Posted by Laraul

I don't know much about the Wii-U. I know it's not the Wii. I know what games on the Wii aren't of importance. I know that the Wii would have a lot more games if it were as easy to release a $60 game and then charge $30 more for the DLC. I think the Wii only has 512MB of internal storage. I assume this won't be an issue with the Wii-U since it has cost Nintendo a lot of business.

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In fact we don't know much about the Wii-U final specs. We know it will have 2 gb ram, and 1 gb video ram. It sounds like it won't be much better than a mid-range gaming PC. I already expect much more processing power from the "PS4" and "Xbox 720". So once more, the Wii-U will be the weaker console.

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Originally Posted by Laraul

Why does everyone think this game is for mature players? How come I find a lot of immature ones playing this game? Where's that Magic Eight Ball again? I'd like some answers.

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Again, I'm sure you understand what I'm saying. Do you prefer the word "Adult" ? I have yet to meet a player under 18 years old, and legally, when you are 18, you are an adult. (Yes, I know, there's most likely a few, but they are a minority)

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

I'm sick of people saying bullshit like this.

Which of these games is most intended for kids and grandpa?

Bayonetta 2
Call of Duty Black Ops 2
Zombi U
Asassin's Creed 3
Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
Mass effect 3
Darksiders 2
Aliens: Colonial Marines

I'm pretty sure all of these except probably MH3U are rated M for mature. Bayonetta in particular is a really, really violent game.

Please, look at the facts before you go around throwing bullshit stereotypes. Nintendo and multiple third parties are offering plenty of mature titles on the Wii U. They aren't making weak systems just for kids anymore.

Wii, yes. But this is Wii U we're talking about. They've got a lot of games for all audiences, including mature ones, in the launch window. Yes, some of them are not brand new. However it demonstrates the third party support Nintendo has this time around and that the system has the necessary capabilities for such games.

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Oh wow, you made a list of games.

/clap

I still expect more game for grown up gamers on the PS4 and Xbox 720, and you know it will happen. The Wii-U won't become the new Xbox...