hating on mizukage

i dont get it, they ask a lot of questions, legit questions, mind you. they also contribute a lot of ideas, legit ideas too, mind you.

Yet everyone is calling her a troll, i don't think you all quite get what a troll is.

So what if she's a level 1 miner and nothing else, you don't think that it could be one of her alts?
I went through her profile and looked through the majority of her posts and i don't see anything wrong with what they're posting.

it gets to the point where she posts a topic on wanting a way to avoid meld theft and you all just start charging with your pitchforks, sheesh guys calm down. that's a perfectly fine topic in my book.

She gives actual legit ideas and feedback for the game, which is a lot more productive than any of what you haters are doing, lol.

So stop belittling her and let her voice her thoughts, that's what this forum is for :O

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her one line threads are still more productive than your replies.

and what's irrelevent about meld theft, i for one have had people double meld stuff for me, and by default, i have no way of knowing if they have done anything dodgy or not, i haven't thought about it before and the thread brought up issues i didnt know about.

she asks if people would like pet wyverns for drg and one of the first comments i see is trying to report it.
report it for what, exactly?

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Originally Posted by Zhyrios

her one line threads are still more productive than your replies.

and what's irrelevent about meld theft, i for one have had people double meld stuff for me, and by default, i have no way of knowing if they have done anything dodgy or not, i haven't thought about it before and the thread brought up issues i didnt know about.

she asks if people would like pet wyverns for drg and one of the first comments i see is trying to report it.
report it for what, exactly?

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Bringing up old topics that have been beaten to death. If you had been paying attention, you would realize by now that he is trying to get a rise out of everyone with these threads. He's basically copying what Rokien did for a long time, but worse.

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Originally Posted by Zhyrios

her one line threads are still more productive than your replies.

and what's irrelevent about meld theft, i for one have had people double meld stuff for me, and by default, i have no way of knowing if they have done anything dodgy or not, i haven't thought about it before and the thread brought up issues i didnt know about.

she asks if people would like pet wyverns for drg and one of the first comments i see is trying to report it.
report it for what, exactly?

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She's not technically breaking any rules, but really, the discussion of DRG wyverns was already brought up many times before.

alot of topics have been brought up a lot of times, by a lot of different people, and a lot of these threads i havent seen for a long time, opinions may have changed, different people playing the game, etc.

I think the biggest problem with Mizukage's threads, is the majority of the people posting in them, not Mizukage.

it's irrelevant due to the fact that if someone says they broke your meld and then goes and sells it how are you supposed to know that. second of all if you're paying someone to meld a lower level item and it's easier to meld than higher level ones it's easier to purchase. second of all if they're so afraid of that happening it's called leveling the doh class yourself to be able to meld what is needed to be melded or 2 not pay the person what they are supposed to be paid for said melding and there is a meld option in the system to request melds meaning they can't take said items from you or have one someone you trust do it instead of some random stranger. Thus it's irrelevancy and them lacking common/practical sense.

first of all, where's the evidence, really? you're all just hating on it because you -think- its some person. But really the fault is your own for jumping to conclusions whether it is or isn't trolling, doesn't have to be.

as for melding, why should one level a craft to 50 just to double meld their own gear? not everyone has the gil or time to sink into that.
also, the menu for melding only works for the first meld, not 2nd or 3rd etc, it sounds like you really have no idea what you're talking about when you say that - so maybe you're the irrelevant one without common sense, just throwin it out there.

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first of all, where's the evidence, really? you're all just hating on it because you -think- its some person. But really the fault is your own for jumping to conclusions whether it is or isn't trolling, doesn't have to be.

as for melding, why should one level a craft to 50 just to double meld their own gear? not everyone has the gil or time to sink into that.
also, the menu for melding only works for the first meld, not 2nd or 3rd etc, it sounds like you really have no idea what you're talking about when you say that - so maybe you're the irrelevant one without common sense, just throwin it out there.

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then why bother melding anything to your gear in the first place if you don't want to level that said class since you have doubts about the person doing the melding for you. Second they never mentioned double or triple melding in that regards they just mentioned melding in general. Thirdly Gil is actually pretty easy still to come by at this point in time and most people triple and double meld a lot of the lower end materia due to it's higher meld rate. But that doesn't concern you now does it since you won't level it yourself. Why should I bother people I don't trust to meld my gear when I can level quickly and easily on leves right now and then do it myself. Oh btw that thread is now locked. And just to let you know I've melded gear myself before tyvm.

the thread isnt there for you to tell the op how stupid they are for trusting randoms, its a feedback. one the dev team could fix by adding the option to put gear up for 2nd-3rd melds the same as first.

It's also not his business to harass other players, troll on the official forums, and cause drama. Honestly, this thread shouldn't even be here. We aren't supposed to be posting threads pointing out specific people, anyway.

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where does it say what you just said in that op
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right here

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we need to Countermeasure this problem

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as a legit thread this is our queue to discuss countermeasures to said problem, not bitch about the op.

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Originally Posted by Zhyrios

right here


as a legit thread this is our queue to discuss countermeasures to said problem, not bitch about the op.

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There is no counter measure for trades if you give someone your stuff you better trust them simple as that. A trade is always an 2 way agreement.

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Originally Posted by Zhyrios

right here


as a legit thread this is our queue to discuss countermeasures to said problem, not bitch about the op.

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ok let me rephrase said question so you can understand it

Meld Theft

some melders meld and fail less expensive items and tell you that they have failed and then sell your item in the AH we need to Countermeasure this problem


where in this quote does it say they're doing double and triple melds and even saying that it is really happening it says they failed the meld and sold the item hmmm nothing about double or triple melding and guess what items break when they don't meld properly and materia is the one that stays... how about that. Nothing saying it's the materia being sold just items also items aren't even meldable now that you think about it. I can continue to pick that sentence apart if you'd like me too... also there is no Ah and so far there hasn't been any one complaining about this being a "problem" I'm sure there would be a huge rant on here besides this not even one completely coherent sentence about it.

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There is no counter measure for trades if you give someone your stuff you better trust them simple as that. A trade is always an 2 way agreement.

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it's like you're deliberately trying to avoid the point. the point is to take away the NEED to give your stuff to someone else to have the double meld done.

LOL, what happenes if the person making this "less expenisve Item Succeeds?" How in the world is he going to give the Item that was suppose to be meld back? he be in deep s**t XD.

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Originally Posted by Rannie

where in this quote does it say they're doing double and triple melds

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*sigh* in the original quote he was saying they FAIL the meld.

use your common sense, you cant fail single melds, therefore the topic is by default, about double+ melds. gawd.

its funny that i'm being called stupid for seemingly being the only person capable of being able to look past the surface and offer constructive ideas to fix problems that other people are facing, not being a simple minded person like you lot :P

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Except this person isn't facing any of those problems. Look at their character information on the lodestone. They don't even play the game. They haven't even killed the FIRST mob the game pits you against for your initial story quest. They have NO exp.

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i'd make a new character and change my lodestone character to that character so i'd also be nothing but a level 1 miner but that would be of little point since i can easily explain how easily that can be done right now.

And even if they're not facing said problem, does that mean the problem doesn't exist?

I'm not a starving child in Africa, therefore there's no such thing as starving children in Africa, good logic there.

The worst thing you can do to a troll is to ignore their existance.

Please exercise that option instead of giving him more food to gleefully gobble down.

The forum ignore feature exists for a reason.

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*sigh* in the original quote he was saying they FAIL the meld.

use your common sense, you cant fail single melds, therefore the topic is by default, about double+ melds. gawd.

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You can't PURPOSELY fail a meld either, therefore its impossible to scam someone by PURPOSELY failing a meld. Besides that, you can see what meld succeeded or failed within the chat log, so you'd have to be a bleeding moron to fall for it.

No one here is "hating"

We are just sick of the troll posts. I dont even come here as often now as I did before because there is nothing but nonsense being posted by this troll.

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i'd make a new character and change my lodestone character to that character so i'd also be nothing but a level 1 miner but that would be of little point since i can easily explain how easily that can be done right now.

And even if they're not facing said problem, does that mean the problem doesn't exist?

I'm not a starving child in Africa, therefore there's no such thing as starving children in Africa, good logic there.

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No this is more like a case of 'just because I'm not bigfoot, does that mean bigfoot doesn't exist??'

And no...no one should complain on behalf of other people. If other people aren't bothered enough by something to complain, then why should someone not even dealing with the problem feel the need to complain?

You SERIOUSLY think this person got to 50 WAR and doesn't know how to WALK past Gaurdian of the Grove? You really think this person doesn't know that windowed mode would obviously be a window and not a full screen? Or that they don't know how to drag the window to a different place? You really think they're GENUINELY surprised that females play this game? Do you really think they think jumping in FFXIV has any connections to suicide? Or that they actually don't know how to use google?

If you believe ANY of that...well... Lets just say I will have more than lost all respect for you.

This person is a troll. Its completely obvious to everyone else, so why can't you see it?

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No one here is "hating"

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But i DO hate every player on this forum

I dont post threads for fear of being called a troll. I mean really, seems people are calling others Trolls for everything now.

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I dont post threads for fear of being called a troll. I mean really, seems people are calling others Trolls for everything now.

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Your sig scares me, mostly b/c ya look po'ed on both sides :(
(It is a well done sig though ^^)

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I dont post threads for fear of being called a troll. I mean really, seems people are calling others Trolls for everything now.

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If you ask seriously stupid questions you might be accused of being a troll. Otherwise...not really.

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Your sig scares me, mostly b/c ya look po'ed on both sides :(
(It is a well done sig though ^^)

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I am not po'ed, I am looking badass!

You know the funny thing about the troll threads though? When I've seen them made, not all, but most.. the OP only makes the first post..and then leaves the thread to everyone to swarm and dance for the puppeter. Lol.

I'm not trying to contribute, I really dislike the useless threads - such as this one for instance. I just find it funny that so many people are playing right into it.

And honestly, as for the person who said 'the worst thing you can do to a troll is ignore them'..wrong. Its the best thing. If you did ignore them, and they continued to make more and more stupid threads and use those to flood the front pages and mask over all of the more useful information, THEN the forum moderators would pay attention and deal with the issue. But as long as people respond to the threads, then its an engaged thread and unless someone breaks the rules within the thread, they really arent going to do anything about the thread or the person creating them.

Don't feed the troll is all I got to say. Every post in this topic, no matter what it says, encourages this person to continue his subversive activities.

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Don't feed the troll is all I got to say. Every post in this topic, no matter what it says, encourages this person to continue his subversive activities.

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So now even Zhyrios is a troll now? it's just about all I hear about on these forums now is troll this and troll that.

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No this is more like a case of 'just because I'm not bigfoot, does that mean bigfoot doesn't exist??'

And no...no one should complain on behalf of other people. If other people aren't bothered enough by something to complain, then why should someone not even dealing with the problem feel the need to complain?

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My god, you seriously are an idiot. You are arguing against something that, if fixed, would probably encourage more forbidden meld attempts by the community as a whole with no downside. There would be no trading and no need to shout in ul'dah unless you were in a hurry. You can afk in town for 10 minutes and come back with your gear either melded or broken. Having forbidden melds handled the same way as single melds is just simply a better idea than how it is now, no matter what the driving force behind the decision was, be it anti-theft countermeasures or convenience.

I swear, you people would argue that a breathable atmosphere is a bad idea if someone you viewed as a troll came up with it.

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She's not technically breaking any rules, but really, the discussion of DRG wyverns was already brought up many times before.

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in fact I have a HUGE poll on it :D http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...et!-%28poll%29

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Originally Posted by Punainen

If you ask seriously stupid questions you might be accused of being a troll. Otherwise...not really.

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Hm what was the story about Einstein now again. Yes...