Ring Contest Ended early?? -[Need rep response]

UPDATE: SE WILL BE ACCEPTING ALL ENTRIES UP TO THE PUBLISHED CUTOFF TIME (thanks Camate~)

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings everyone!

Apologies for the confusion! We will be accepting all entries that were sent by the deadline that was posted on topics (Sept. 3, 11:59pm PDT), so please do not worry!

We will also be switching out the Lodestone banner to the English one, as it appears the French banner has been posted on the North American Lodestone.

Thank you everyone for your amazing submissions! :)

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On the front page of the lodestone there is a post saying that the ring contest is closed.

However the official rules say that the contest does not close until Sep 3rd, 11:59pm PDT.

Did the contest end early or do people still have a chance to get their entries in? (I post this because I have seen several people with nice designs who aren't turning them in because they think they are too late)

- Thanks

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Originally Posted by Soulfire

Japanese: 2012年8月10日（金） ～2012年9月3日（月） 16:00
UK: Friday, August 10, 2012 (GMT) to Monday, September 3, 2012 7:00am (GMT)
French: Le concours est ouvert du vendredi 10 août 2012 (GMT) au lundi 3 septembre 2012 à 7 h (GMT).
German: Freitag, den 10. August 2012 (GMT) bis Montag, den 3. September 2012 um 7:00 Uhr (GMT)

NA: Friday, August 10, 2012 (PDT) to Monday, September 3, 2012 11:59pm (PDT)

All say to send to ffxiv_contest@square-enix.com, and all but the NA version have the correct time. Subjects differ, but for NA and UK it's the same.
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(thanks Soulfire)

So GMT 7am on SEP 3rd is the closing for all EU contests.

6:59am GMTon SEP 3rd = 11:59pm PDT on SEP 2nd (not the 3rd as they posted)

Did they mistakenly give NA an extra day when they created the contest? -- and then apparently retract it???


This is a critical issue for many NA contestants who planned around the posted deadline for their entries. (And there is no reason at all why any of us should be cross referencing the NA contest times with EU/JP)

I understand it may have been a mistake, but SE owes it to the NA contestants to abide by the dates they set. I seriously hope/assume SE will do the right thing with this.

I actually think there was a typo and should be 2nd of september 11:59pm on NA section. Which would make sense, since that would fit the other regions and would lead to closing the Contest at the same time around the globe.

11:59pm on 3rd of september would have meant it would have closed like 24 hours AFTER everyone else, which sounds totally off to me.

It will just be really crummy if that costs a bunch of people entries ;/.

Q_Q..........

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

I post this because I have seen several people with nice designs who aren't turning them in because they think they are too late.

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A lot of my friends and LS mates got upset when the announcement went online.

Let's see how this will turn out, I guess.

Wait, what?

I submitted mine Sunday around 8 or 9 p.m EST... so I'm good? Right?

Right, that was a typo on SE sadly...
JST 9/3 16:00 (4pm)
I believe they meant to write it as 9/3 PDT 12am (midnight)/ EST 3am
or PDT 9/2 11:59pm and EST 9/3 2:59am Going by how they were doing their times.

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Originally Posted by NefGP

Wait, what?

I submitted mine Sunday around 8 or 9 p.m EST... so I'm good? Right?

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You should be fine! :)

I got a delay email hours after sending mine in, even though I submitted it before the previously posted deadline. I guess they should open up submissions for 1 more day or something because it's not fair if they made a typo. =(

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Originally Posted by Eldaena

I got a delay email hours after sending mine in, even though I submitted it before the previously posted deadline. I guess they should open up submissions for 1 more day or something because it's not fair if they made a typo. =(

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Not only that, but it was never corrected at any point. They owe it to the contestants to accept all entries up to the time they posted.

While I do see that this as a legitimate issue with posting a typo on a contest deadline, I can't help feeling a little bit of Schadenfreude;

You people have had over 3 weeks to do this, and you're complaining about missing the deadline by 24 hours? Why do you wait till the last minute?

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Originally Posted by Bharata_Senka

While I do see that this as a legitimate issue with posting a typo on a contest deadline, I can't help feeling a little bit of Schadenfreude;

You people have had over 3 weeks to do this, and you're complaining about missing the deadline by 24 hours? Why do you wait till the last minute?

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Seriously lol. This event went on so long and I'm sorry to say, not even amateur artists take longer than a few days to design a RING, you're not making elaborate 3D model characters to show it off, no one should be complaining at this point to be honest. I know the annoyances of something like this because it happens in my work, but I'm usually given 4-5 weeks to do something and if I waited till last minute and they decide, mistake or not:

"Oh hey, it's due tomorrow, forget about the additional week ^^"

I can't complain if I waited till last minute to do it. So they'll probably clarify but think about how long we've had to work on a RING to submit.

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Originally Posted by Bharata_Senka

You people have had over 3 weeks to do this, and you're complaining about missing the deadline by 24 hours? Why do you wait till the last minute?

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My only regret is that I can only hit the like button once.

Thing is even if they had given a month for entry's this would still happen. People be procrastinating.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

than a few days to design a RING, you're not making elaborate 3D model...

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Well technically... <_<


Still, the 'procrastination argument' is fallacious and it is entirely irreverent to this issue.

The assumed motivations of individual contestants should have no bearing on whether or not SE is obliged to stick to the time they posted for the contest (and never updated, even after the contest was 'closed').

But to address the point: There are many valid reasons people will not submit entries until the last minute: from refining/perfecting work, to managing other schedules, to doing research, and more. It isn't up to SE or anyone else to pull the rug out from under people based on specious assumptions about their motivations.

SE posted a time, never corrected it once (in the same 3 weeks BTW), and they need to honor it.

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

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This is totally Off-Topic, but i would like to say some words to your Ring.

First.. its really a great 3D-Model, light and shadows are choose wisely, the Details are brilliant, the Jewel itself also looks great. To say it short: Thats some epic piece of work and it looks really awesome.

BUT.. honestly i dont think this ring will be in the Top 10 and here is why: Its a Ring for a Game.. even if FFXIV is known for high graphics, there is now way this ring could be shown in the Game that way. Most of the Details would vanish by making it into an Ingame-Item, which would make it an ordinary ring with a jewel on it. So it would just look like every single Gemstone-Ring, which have placed in the Game by now.

Seriously.. dont get me wrong at all.. i seriously like that Ring and i love the look and style of it, but thats far ahead of what SE could actually implement in the Game. Even if the Ring would come into Top10 and would be choosen by the Community, it would lose all its awesome Details, which would be a shame... dont you think?

@Nero

Good points all.

We can assume that the SE artists will do their own renditions of the winning rings, so I'm not too worried about some details getting lost.

This was just my approach to the theme and stats I had envisioned.

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

This was just my approach to the theme and stats I had envisioned.

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Yeah, a really nice one tho. :) Hope we can see actually more Rings on that Level.

BTW, here are some fantastic rings from others that may not get consideration due to the date mixup:

http://i48.tinypic.com/9u6z5u.jpg
-Vergil_Renata

http://efryes-lair.net/other/xiv/phoenix_ring.jpg
-Efrye

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Seriously lol. This event went on so long and I'm sorry to say, not even amateur artists take longer than a few days to design a RING, you're not making elaborate 3D model characters to show it off, no one should be complaining at this point to be honest. I know the annoyances of something like this because it happens in my work, but I'm usually given 4-5 weeks to do something and if I waited till last minute and they decide, mistake or not:

"Oh hey, it's due tomorrow, forget about the additional week ^^"

I can't complain if I waited till last minute to do it. So they'll probably clarify but think about how long we've had to work on a RING to submit.

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I support this and even though I had no idea and nothing but a creative block to design a ring, a lot of good entries made it on time because they didn't procrastinate. Well it's a fine and dandy to point the finger at SE for not keeping their conctest schedule accurate (by 24 hours)but look at yourselves first for being "sorry" and not "safe". You didn't have to be a good artist, just have a good design!



There's an old saying,"If you not 15~10 min early to an interview or appointment, your late!"

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Originally Posted by Bharata_Senka

While I do see that this as a legitimate issue with posting a typo on a contest deadline, I can't help feeling a little bit of Schadenfreude;

You people have had over 3 weeks to do this, and you're complaining about missing the deadline by 24 hours? Why do you wait till the last minute?

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Just because mine was last minute doesn't mean everyone else's was. You've never worked on a major art project have you? 3 weeks seems like a lot of time, and it is for most people, but there those of us (such as myself had I not lost my damned copy of photoshop to reformatting my computer ><) who like to take our sweet time and work out every detail to perfection, until we truly feel satisfied with it and it really shows in some of those high res CG images that were submitted.

The kind of image I wanted to do would have easily taken a week or so, maybe longer but I had to settle for what amounted to sketch concept art.

speaking as a former professional artist, former military, and current chef...

If you're early, you're on time...

if you're on time, you're late.

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Originally Posted by Pandastirfry

speaking as a former professional artist, former military, and current chef...

If you're early, you're on time...

if you're on time, you're late.

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Perhaps you could write SE and have them add that to their contest rules next time?

"Be sure to submit your entry "early". Any submissions that are not received (? hours) before the published end of the contest will be disqualified"

By that logic, they could just end 1.0 right now and tell us that waiting to accomplish things up to Nov 1st is just procrastination... after all, we should have been ready for it.

But still, this is all sidestepping the issue.



In reality, the contest rules are a de-facto legal document that SE (and contestants) must abide by. Posting the time and date of termination for entry submission is a mandated part of any legal document involving Contests, Sweepstakes, or Lotteries. As the posted rules did not have any clauses that allow for the changing of such a time and date -- any entries received between Friday, August 10, 2012 (PDT) and Monday, September 3, 2012 11:59pm (PDT) 2012 must be accepted.

Then again, for all we know, maybe they actually intended to give NA contestants another day.

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Originally Posted by Pandastirfry

speaking as a former professional artist, former military, and current chef...

If you're early, you're on time...

if you're on time, you're late.

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Speaking as someone who has seen the "Pieces of Flare" scene from Office Space: If you wanted me to turn it in early, why didn't you make the deadline earlier?

Greetings everyone!

Apologies for the confusion! We will be accepting all entries that were sent by the deadline that was posted on topics (Sept. 3, 11:59pm PDT), so please do not worry!

We will also be switching out the Lodestone banner to the English one, as it appears the French banner has been posted on the North American Lodestone.

Thank you everyone for your amazing submissions! :)

Thank you very much for your clarification, Camate~

I'm sure many people will be relieved. :)

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings everyone!

Apologies for the confusion! We will be accepting all entries that were sent by the deadline that was posted on topics (Sept. 3, 11:59pm PDT), so please do not worry!

We will also be switching out the Lodestone banner to the English one, as it appears the French banner has been posted on the North American Lodestone.

Thank you everyone for your amazing submissions! :)

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You awesome Snurble. Thanks, Camate!

And good luck, everyone. :)

Camate the HERO! Now everyone can stop whining! :P

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

Thank you very much for your clarification, Camate~

I'm sure many people will be relieved. :)

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I'm rather annoyed. We get this information twelve hours after the deadline? And no extension? Would've been far more useful the earlier part of the twenty-four hours of claiming the event's unexpected early end. I didn't even complete what I was working on because of that.