Yoshi-P said something about Samurai and Ninja...

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09-01-2012, 07:57 PM
Demonic

Yoshi-P said something about Samurai and Ninja...

As the title states, during the reveal (or around it, I forget) Yoshi-P clearly said Samurai and Ninja, but I have no idea to what extent. He could've just been comparing to XI, or something. If anyone has information about what he was saying, I'd really like to know what it was about. :(
09-01-2012, 07:59 PM
Magnesium02

I think it was in regards to future classes (not available at launch). The names Excalibur and Masamune were also mentioned, probably in relation to the swords not the servers
09-01-2012, 07:59 PM
Dubont

will be using JP style weapons and ninja will have dual wield
09-01-2012, 08:06 PM
Mug

Wait so are they confirmed as future classes?
09-01-2012, 08:09 PM
Dubont

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Originally Posted by Mug

Wait so are they confirmed as future classes?

A friend of mine was translating the video through vent. What I picked up was that they are concepts for future classes. They will use traditional Japanese style weapons for those jobs and NIN will get dual wield.
09-01-2012, 08:11 PM
Zenaku

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Originally Posted by Magnesium02

I think it was in regards to future classes (not available at launch). The names Excalibur and Masamune were also mentioned, probably in relation to the swords not the servers

Yoshi-p said we could upgrade our relic so i'm guessing the relic sword we have now can later become Excalibur.
09-01-2012, 08:33 PM
mizukage

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Originally Posted by Demonic

As the title states, during the reveal (or around it, I forget) Yoshi-P clearly said Samurai and Ninja, but I have no idea to what extent. He could've just been comparing to XI, or something. If anyone has information about what he was saying, I'd really like to know what it was about. :(

yaaaaaaaaaay SAM and NIN gonna be pampered by SE and will be OP classes again no more WAR tanking
09-01-2012, 08:36 PM
Seirra_Lanzce

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

Yoshi-p said we could upgrade our relic so i'm guessing the relic sword we have now can later become Excalibur.

i think is upgrading the relic weapon to be on par as the other powerful introduce weapons.. ya know... :O
09-01-2012, 08:36 PM
Searious

can't...wait.....
09-01-2012, 09:53 PM
Mijin

Based on the crowds lack of reaction when he blurted out the words "samurai and ninja," and based on him displaying ARC and SMN shortly after, I think it's safe to make an educated guess that he said something like "We considered things like samurai and ninja but ultimately we decided against it at this time." If he was confirming plans for adding SAM or NIN one would expect the crowd to get excited and for him to go into much more detail on the subject. I tend to dismiss a lot of the "My friend translated" remarks because I think there are a lot of people who like to let on that they speak a foreign language when they actually don't.
09-01-2012, 09:56 PM
Ingolf

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Originally Posted by mizukage

yaaaaaaaaaay SAM and NIN gonna be pampered by SE and will be OP classes again no more WAR tanking

NIN was never OP lol.
09-01-2012, 09:57 PM
Kasathar

This thread's is misleading as Fuck.
Please, keep speculation pot of thread titles.

Thanks.
09-01-2012, 09:59 PM
Kasathar

This thread's title is misleading as Fuck.
Please, keep speculation off thread titles.

Thanks.
09-01-2012, 10:23 PM
Tonkra

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Originally Posted by mizukage

yaaaaaaaaaay SAM and NIN gonna be pampered by SE and will be OP classes again no more WAR tanking

they could design NIN in a complete different way. i wont think so that after the debacle in FF11 they would ever consider to make a tank out of a ninja again.
Dragoon is also designed in a total different way.

the damage ullities for NIN in FF11 have been to useless.

they can also put him into a damage dealer role by using typical ninja ullities.
09-02-2012, 08:07 AM
HereticBliss

@Ingolf

Sounds like you were probably a terrible NIN. By far one of the strongest classes in the game.
09-02-2012, 08:14 AM
Duelle

Shura put it much better than I could. Read his post.
09-02-2012, 08:30 AM
Shura

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Originally Posted by Demonic

As the title states, during the reveal (or around it, I forget) Yoshi-P clearly said Samurai and Ninja, but I have no idea to what extent. He could've just been comparing to XI, or something. If anyone has information about what he was saying, I'd really like to know what it was about. :(

Yoshida was asked if we'll see Excalibur or Masamune, his answer was; He plans to add Excalibur in some form and for Masamune you need the proper job such as Samurai or Ninja before it can be added. There seems to also be a high demand overseas for Samurai and Ninja so he plans to go with that idea. (i assume hes refering to adding Samurai/Ninja) He was then asked if whether a saya(sheath) would be available, seeing as some people want the class to have a saya this time around. He replied maybe if the animator, character designer and programmer tried their best.
09-02-2012, 08:33 AM
Jokerz

SE never really made NIN into a tank, the community did. Pretty much someone figured that utsemi+eva could hold hate and mitigate damage, and it worked XD

And I'm kinda ashamed to say it, but I'm glad the community did that, shows you the creativity of people. They took a job that wasn't intended to tank, and they made it into one!
09-02-2012, 08:47 AM
Jennestia

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Originally Posted by mizukage

yaaaaaaaaaay SAM and NIN gonna be pampered by SE and will be OP classes again no more WAR tanking

You never played FFXI, did you? Nin was never pampered by SE -- They even had to change their original direction for ninja because players turned it into a tanking class lol. Only SAM was "pampered".

Btw, MNKs are top tanks in XI atm.
09-02-2012, 08:51 AM
Jokerz

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

Btw, MNKs are top tanks in XI atm.

Actually anything with -PDT gear can tank now...
09-02-2012, 09:14 AM
Babydoll

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Originally Posted by Seirra_Lanzce

i think is upgrading the relic weapon to be on par as the other powerful introduce weapons.. ya know... :O

I really hope not. SE has said in the PDF files that "Legendary" weapons were coming out..relics are AF weapons...omg I really hope not lol I was waiting for some really good cool looking stuff...most of the relic is meh
09-02-2012, 09:18 AM
Levian

Ninja was never OP...? Then why do I remember at least a solid YEAR where Ninja was pretty much the only tank desired, and the go-to sub job for damn near everything? When I would invite a healer to group the first thing they would say is: Have a Ninja? If the response was no some of them would even drop the group. I also remember sitting in town @ 5/6, sometimes for an hour or more, waiting for a healer that would deal with a paladin to pop up. Meanwhile the aforementioned "NIN ONRY" healer would also be waiting in town for an hour or so for a party that had a Ninja tank. Didn't happen often since invites for healing classes flowed like water, but it did happen.

Let's not forget that dual wielding absolutely crushed 2 handed DPS for a long time. To the point that DRK were subbing Ninja and using 1 handed axes. Hell people even tried to bully me into subbing Ninja with Samurai after the introduction of Seigan and Third eye buff that allowed it to act pretty much the same as utsusemi. Or all the times people would refuse to party up with a Thief that didn't have Ninja subbed. Pre 37 mind you, I was only leveling it as a sub job. Yea, dual wield and Utsusemi (more so Utsusemi) really were that game-changing. Kinda like RDM and Refresh after 41.

As for it's tankiness...well it was my understanding that it was intended as a DD, and it's ability to tank was a happy accident innovated by the playerbase. It just happened to work so well that SE decided it better to buff Paladin and bring it up to snuff, rather than nerf Ninja into the ground. Wise decision on their part, much as I hate to admit it. Back in the XI days Ninja became something of a plague I couldn't escape.

Even so I would welcome both with open arms. Samurai was more fun than I thought it would be, my one regret was not playing it before the Archery nerf for some sweet Sam/Rng action. I wouldn't mind giving Samurai another go in a new setting. Even if they did reincarnate ninja as a blink tank, well it's a new game with new mechanics. Maybe something intentionally designed for the role won't outstrip every other tank by such a wide margin.
09-02-2012, 11:48 AM
Searious

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Originally Posted by Levian

Ninja was never OP...? Then why do I remember at least a solid YEAR where Ninja was pretty much the only tank desired, and the go-to sub job for damn near everything? When I would invite a healer to group the first thing they would say is: Have a Ninja? If the response was no some of them would even drop the group. I also remember sitting in town @ 5/6, sometimes for an hour or more, waiting for a healer that would deal with a paladin to pop up. Meanwhile the aforementioned "NIN ONRY" healer would also be waiting in town for an hour or so for a party that had a Ninja tank. Didn't happen often since invites for healing classes flowed like water, but it did happen.

LOL XD XD......