Is DLSS5 against ToS?

Hi there, I saw many people trying and playing with the new leaked DLSS5 features (Injected through reshade) in a discussion with friends. Some stated that DLSS5 use could be against SE ToS and a ban-worthy offense.

As far as I know, reshade isn't against ToS per se, so is DLSS5? Someone could be banned if streaming with DLSS5 enabled?

To note this is not about discussing whether DLSS5 is good or bad, ethical or not, is just about the ToS. ^^; No drama, please.

Reshade is a third-party program that interacts with the game client. The ToS is broad, and SE can ban people for it if they want to, but they could just as easily ban people for Discord's integration tools or for fiddling with things via their GPU's software.

reminder that you can choose to abbreviate all names ingame

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Originally Posted by Daralii

Reshade is a third-party program that interacts with the game client. The ToS is broad, and SE can ban people for it if they want to, but they could just as easily ban people for Discord's integration tools or for fiddling with things via their GPU's software.

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It's about 13 years old, but SE's stance on shader injectors specifically is that they don't violate the ToS:

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post1408111

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Originally Posted by Xylira

It's about 13 years old, but SE's stance on shader injectors specifically is that they don't violate the ToS:

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post1408111

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Yup, that's why I ask, to see if SE changed their stance about it, and what people think about it. Hoping any SE staff can clarify.

No, but it's so hideous i have no idea why you would want to use that garbage

All this ai stuff being pushed and i have yet to see a single good use of it in the art/graphics department

The horrors of seeing what DLSS5 has done to all sorts of games has been ingrained into my mind and I can tell you it is nightmare fuel what "realism" does to a game. Not to mention, it literally spits in the Developer's face in regards to artistic design for characters and such(that typically for anyone who has seen the artwork for XIV, knows is time-consuming).

At most XIV should not support DLSS5 at all since it literally changes the appearances of characters completely, as well as certain designs and backgrounds.

DLSS 5 is against my eyes which is worse than being against ToS, really.

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Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima

The horrors of seeing what DLSS5 has done to all sorts of games has been ingrained into my mind and I can tell you it is nightmare fuel what "realism" does to a game. Not to mention, it literally spits in the Developer's face in regards to artistic design for characters and such(that typically for anyone who has seen the artwork for XIV, knows is time-consuming).

At most XIV should not support DLSS5 at all since it literally changes the appearances of characters completely, as well as certain designs and backgrounds.

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As I stated, my post isn't about to discuss if DLSS5 is good or bad, is just if a player can be banned for using it or speaking about it in-game. (Or stream using it) I find it ugly too, but that's not the point I'm trying to discuss.

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Originally Posted by faris_minamino

As I stated, my post isn't about to discuss if DLSS5 is good or bad, is just if a player can be banned for using it or speaking about it in-game. (Or stream using it) I find it ugly too, but that's not the point I'm trying to discuss.

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If the screenshots you share publicly contain this:
https://i.imgur.com/AnYALLO.png
They better oughta be something the game as it stands, unaltered, can produce, don't you think?

Anyway, things like Reshade are allowed, and if DLSS5 isn't officially implemented yet and produces noticeable changes, it's probably wisest to keep it to yourself for now. Though if I understand how it works, once it is released properly it's client-side and postprocess, though something that game devs can work with to properly integrate into their games? If it's something that NVIDIA users can just turn on on their sides, it can't be anymore ban-worthy than using any other postprocessing feature turned on in your video card.

It is against the ToS and Yoshi P has been straight on that as it is via third party programs/apps/plugins

no

but he's in your living room right now:
https://imgur.com/T4L2b2M.png

afaik they gave the greenlight on reshade so DLSS 5 should be fine since its just a feature of nvidia cards

I already look chopped so I wouldn't use it myself, but you're probably fine to use it privately?

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Originally Posted by Daralii

Reshade is a third-party program that interacts with the game client. The ToS is broad, and SE can ban people for it if they want to, but they could just as easily ban people for Discord's integration tools or for fiddling with things via their GPU's software.

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I mean, even the graphic card driver is a third party program that interacts with the game client, so if that's how the tos defines unauthorized stuff it seems a little too broad.

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Originally Posted by YumieYumiki

I mean, even the graphic card driver is a third party program that interacts with the game client, so if that's how the tos defines unauthorized stuff it seems a little too broad.

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The ToS is easily read. It's not so broad as to define interacting with an OS as prohibited. People who bring up Discord and GPU drivers are not discussing this seriously.

"2.1 Cheating and Botting. You may not create or use any unauthorized cheats, bots, automation software, hacks, mods or any other unauthorized software or hardware designed to modify the Game and gameplay. In addition, you may not take advantage of game system bugs and exploits during gameplay.

2.7 Modifying or Creating Derivative Software. You may not modify or cause to be modified any files that are a part of the Game or Service in any way not expressly authorized by Square Enix, and may not make any derivative works of the Game."

You know what's not on there? Windows, which, zomg, is a third party software that interacts with the game client D:

https://massivelyop.com/wp-content/u...te-696x229.jpg

Why wouldn't you want your character to look like this? It's so realistic!

I wish it were, but if we're being honest, DLSS3 and 4 aren't (in fact they were proudly added not tooooo long ago), and hence 5 can't be either. But I wish it were, it looks so... no, not going to write that out. But I think pre-DT characters look significantly better as at least they had artistic integrity.

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Originally Posted by Astronis

The ToS is easily read.

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I bet it is, but im french and therefore lazy.

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It's not so broad as to define interacting with an OS as prohibited. People who bring up Discord and GPU drivers are not discussing this seriously.

"2.1 Cheating and Botting. You may not create or use any unauthorized cheats, bots, automation software, hacks, mods or any other unauthorized software or hardware designed to modify the Game and gameplay. In addition, you may not take advantage of game system bugs and exploits during gameplay.

2.7 Modifying or Creating Derivative Software. You may not modify or cause to be modified any files that are a part of the Game or Service in any way not expressly authorized by Square Enix, and may not make any derivative works of the Game."

You know what's not on there? Windows, which, zomg, is a third party software that interacts with the game client D:

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Then the claim that reshade is technically bannable is false as well.

ToS in French
https://support.eu.square-enix.com/r...la=3&tag=users

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Originally Posted by YumieYumiki

I bet it is, but im french and therefore lazy.

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I suppooose that's a species of surrendering >_> (I kid I kid)

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Then the claim that reshade is technically bannable is false as well.

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We've known for more than a decade that SE has no issue with Reshade! They told us so, to clarify that, in a link upthread!

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Originally Posted by Astronis

The ToS is easily read. It's not so broad as to define interacting with an OS as prohibited. People who bring up Discord and GPU drivers are not discussing this seriously.

"2.1 Cheating and Botting. You may not create or use any unauthorized cheats, bots, automation software, hacks, mods or any other unauthorized software or hardware designed to modify the Game and gameplay. In addition, you may not take advantage of game system bugs and exploits during gameplay.

2.7 Modifying or Creating Derivative Software. You may not modify or cause to be modified any files that are a part of the Game or Service in any way not expressly authorized by Square Enix, and may not make any derivative works of the Game."

You know what's not on there? Windows, which, zomg, is a third party software that interacts with the game client D:

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This is Final Fantasy XIV. We don’t report people who use plugins, mods or botting tools. We do, however, report people who are vocally against those things. Opposing our right to mod, something that Naoki Yoshida supports, is considered “compelling a play style” which is against TOS. Also, the same TOS applies to the forums, so shaming modders on here may also be considered a violation.

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Originally Posted by caffe_macchiato

This is Final Fantasy XIV. We don’t report people who use plugins, mods or botting tools. We do, however, report people who are vocally against those things. Opposing our right to mod, something that Naoki Yoshida supports, is considered “compelling a play style” which is against TOS. Also, the same TOS applies to the forums, so shaming modders on here may also be considered a violation.

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Who's "we" Kemosabe? I've reported someone who looked like they were using some kind of botting software in game. Reporting people who are openly modding isn't considered "compelling a playstyle" or against the ToS except in, perhaps, some fevered imaginations.

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Originally Posted by caffe_macchiato

This is Final Fantasy XIV. We don’t report people who use plugins, mods or botting tools. We do, however, report people who are vocally against those things. Opposing our right to mod, something that Naoki Yoshida supports, is considered “compelling a play style” which is against TOS. Also, the same TOS applies to the forums, so shaming modders on here may also be considered a violation.

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It's not so much a right, but an allowance.

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Originally Posted by faris_minamino

Hi there, I saw many people trying and playing with the new leaked DLSS5 features (Injected through reshade) in a discussion with friends. Some stated that DLSS5 use could be against SE ToS and a ban-worthy offense.

As far as I know, reshade isn't against ToS per se, so is DLSS5? Someone could be banned if streaming with DLSS5 enabled?

To note this is not about discussing whether DLSS5 is good or bad, ethical or not, is just about the ToS. ^^; No drama, please.

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i mean you're using a bootleg version of DLSS5 made by modders and its not even optimize and takes a huge performance hit. But the use of a modded .dll file is at your risk lol