FOMO and time gated items

With the FANTASIAN Neo Dimension items leaving the store soon, it seems to be a good time to make a thread about this since the amount of FOMO and time-gated items in this game seems to have been increasing for the last several years.

With limited funds, and unexpected things that come up, FOMO and time gated / time limited items really just feel bad. It just gives a feeling of frustration and disengagement when items are unobtainable, whether due to lack of time, energy, or money. Getting all the FANTASIAN Neo Dimension items also costs $75 USD. Couldn't it go on sale before leaving the store? I can't afford that, let alone the fact that $75 is an absolutely insane price for a game of this price with a subscription. I know it was announced to be time limited before-hand, but I'm a bit confused as to why these are time-limited in the first place? They weren't up on the store for very long, I'm surprised they weren't permanent considering they're from a game made by Sakaguchi.

One of the main reasons I play this MMO instead of others, is because FFXIV has less of this FOMO / time gated stuff that the others do. This is great! But as more of this stuff gets added to the game it adds a lot of unnecessary stress. I quit PvP for awhile after missing the linkpearl emote because it pretty much killed whatever fun I having, only started up again recently since they finally gave the ability to buy old rewards from the vendor. Even then, a 2.5 year delay from the items disappearing to being sold in the vendor is way too long.

I'm worried about the new progression system shown for Evercold. It was mentioned it's not a battle pass, and that Yoshi. P and Koji Fox mentioned not needing to pay anything for it, which is great, but please don't put any time gated items in it for rewards. Thank you for your consideration.

wait... there are timelimited items in the online store? :eek:

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Originally Posted by Asari5

wait... there are timelimited items in the online store? :eek:

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this is the only one ever to my knowledge.

I mean, unless we count things like promotional mounts/emotes/items.

It'll probably be back at some point. FF14 doesn't really have that much fomo.
It's weird for it to happen now for the Fantasian neo dimension stuff but it is what it is.

On principle, I also don't like FOMO, but since this is for an mogstation shop item I don't really care as much. If people wanted those items they could have bought them.

I'd feel worse if it was like items in the game you can obtain through gameplay - like if one day you couldn't do the monster hunter content in stormblood I'd be very upset about that.

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Could also be like a marketing test to see if people will buy a mogstation set if it's on a timer?

Knowing them, though, it'll probably be back eventually. I think Fantasian is a square enix property? So it'll back in one shape or another.

$75 is not an insane price for multiple glams.
Blizzard sells a few pets for $200 and I don’t see anyone complaining about that because guess what? You don’t really need those things.
They are optional for those who have free money to spend.

Having an optional items store on a pay to play MMO in the first place is just a disgusting display of corporate greed. The people here arguing about how 'you could've just bought them' seem to forget that there are more than enough players who aren't working high income, many of which are students who can afford the sub and maybe the occasional shop item, but certainly not always.

The FOMO is predatory and frankly a cheapshot considering the amount of people subbed. Looking at SE shareholder meetings, I am unsurprised.

...But also, the true BS is that events keep giving versatile housing items you physically don't have the space for (ice lofts...) to entice you to get additional retainers so that you can stock up before the items get put into the cash shop for 3.50€ a piece.

I agree that this is not a good practice and seems at odds with what they have stated is their vision for the game. Having time limited items that you can earn for free in the game and then later purchase in the store is one thing, but items that you are only able to purchase disappearing is a completely new level of greedy practices.

Is it some kind of licensing deal that is causing these items to be removed? It doesn't make sense to me why they would need to remove them except to try to spur people to buy them before they can't anymore.

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Originally Posted by Bubert

$75 is not an insane price for multiple glams.
Blizzard sells a few pets for $200 and I don’t see anyone complaining about that because guess what? You don’t really need those things.
They are optional for those who have free money to spend.

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I did a quick google search and see topics on the blizzard forums with hundreds of posts complaining about $90 cash shop mounts. Perhaps you don't see it because you are on the FFXIV forums?

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Originally Posted by Wasselin

I agree that this is not a good practice and seems at odds with what they have stated is their vision for the game. Having time limited items that you can earn for free in the game and then later purchase in the store is one thing, but items that you are only able to purchase disappearing is a completely new level of greedy practices.

Is it some kind of licensing deal that is causing these items to be removed? It doesn't make sense to me why they would need to remove them except to try to spur people to buy them before they can't anymore.

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FWIW: I only bought Leo's Hair from the collab in the cash shop and I find it p ugly so RIP my $5 is gone.

IIRC SE published Fantasian Neo-Dim for more platforms, but they don't own the IP since it's created and owned by Mistwalker itself and we don't know if it's some unique contract that only allows a limited time sales or whatever since it's never happened before for the cash shop as everything up to this point is perma.

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Originally Posted by hydralus

I did a quick google search and see topics on the blizzard forums with hundreds of posts complaining about $90 cash shop mounts. Perhaps you don't see it because you are on the FFXIV forums?

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A lot also bought and flaunted them in the capitals, so their scheme was successful.

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Originally Posted by Bubert

$75 is not an insane price for multiple glams.
Blizzard sells a few pets for $200 and I don’t see anyone complaining about that because guess what? You don’t really need those things.
They are optional for those who have free money to spend.

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Glamour is a huge chunk of the reason to have fun in this game. Unfortunatly I don't have that much free money to spend, so seeing these prices in the cash shop is a bit of bummer. There have been a few I'd get if they were $5 or so, but at the prices they sell for, usually greater then $15, and lets just agree to disagree on that being an insane price, especially considering it's more then a month's worth of a subscription.

Sure, we don't really need those things, but it's still a bummer to see.

That said, I'm more frustrated with FOMO in other areas then cash shop/collab stuff, particuarly because sometimes IP rights and all that can cause these to be a limited time anyway. It happens.

Particularly would like to request a shortening of the time PvP items are unobtainable.

The new progression system that they showed at fanfest though. It's worth letting them know not to make items obtained there time gated. Assuming it'll give items as rewards. We'll see when we learn more about it. I think it's just better to provide feedback sooner rather then later so they can plan around it.

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Originally Posted by SKAshe

Glamour is a huge chunk of the reason to have fun in this game. Unfortunatly I don't have that much free money to spend, so seeing these prices in the cash shop is a bit of bummer. There have been a few I'd get if they were $5 or so, but at the prices they sell for, usually greater then $15, and lets just agree to disagree on that being an insane price, especially considering it's more then a month's worth of a subscription.

Sure, we don't really need those things, but it's still a bummer to see.

That said, I'm more frustrated with FOMO in other areas then cash shop/collab stuff, particuarly because sometimes IP rights and all that can cause these to be a limited time anyway. It happens.

Particularly would like to request a shortening of the time PvP items are unobtainable.

The new progression system that they showed at fanfest though. It's worth letting them know not to make items obtained there time gated. Assuming it'll give items as rewards. We'll see when we learn more about it. I think it's just better to provide feedback sooner rather then later so they can plan around it.

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Relatable like I've been looking at the long pants version of the belt-leather set for almost 1 year now since it's way more expensive than anything else but I know it's from the Korean cash shop so it might not go on sale even during the Anniversary too if I'm unlucky.

Yeah, I understand and I know SE will never do sales of separate pieces of cash shop glams, but in my dream I could buy different parts for a smaller cost like they finally split up hairs from the outfit sets but they can do so much better for me who loves many cash shop cosmetics but limited funds often who can't justify like paying $18 each time for some parts.

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Originally Posted by 0blivion

Having an optional items store on a pay to play MMO in the first place is just a disgusting display of corporate greed. The people here arguing about how 'you could've just bought them' seem to forget that there are more than enough players who aren't working high income, many of which are students who can afford the sub and maybe the occasional shop item, but certainly not always.

The FOMO is predatory and frankly a cheapshot considering the amount of people subbed. Looking at SE shareholder meetings, I am unsurprised.

...But also, the true BS is that events keep giving versatile housing items you physically don't have the space for (ice lofts...) to entice you to get additional retainers so that you can stock up before the items get put into the cash shop for 3.50€ a piece.

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Going to play Devil's Advocate here and point out a different thought - what was the price of a sub in 2013 when ARR launched? What is the price of a sub today? Oh, the same...how many other things do you know that haven't increased a single penny in cost over the past 13 years? Even other digital things like your Netflix or Hulu or whatever has gone up, probably several times. How is it possible that the FFXIV sub stays the same? Right - in part because SE makes money from the cash shop that would otherwise come from all of us in our subscription fees. As long as the stuff on the cash shop remains purely cosmetic, I don't consider it a cheapshot at all.

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Originally Posted by Striker44

Going to play Devil's Advocate here and point out a different thought - what was the price of a sub in 2013 when ARR launched? What is the price of a sub today? Oh, the same...how many other things do you know that haven't increased a single penny in cost over the past 13 years? Even other digital things like your Netflix or Hulu or whatever has gone up, probably several times. How is it possible that the FFXIV sub stays the same? Right - in part because SE makes money from the cash shop that would otherwise come from all of us in our subscription fees. As long as the stuff on the cash shop remains purely cosmetic, I don't consider it a cheapshot at all.

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True enough. It's the same business strategy that gacha games employ only to a somewhat less drastic effect. The cost to the average player is subsidized by big spenders, simple as.

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Originally Posted by Striker44

Going to play Devil's Advocate here and point out a different thought - what was the price of a sub in 2013 when ARR launched? What is the price of a sub today? Oh, the same...how many other things do you know that haven't increased a single penny in cost over the past 13 years? Even other digital things like your Netflix or Hulu or whatever has gone up, probably several times. How is it possible that the FFXIV sub stays the same? Right - in part because SE makes money from the cash shop that would otherwise come from all of us in our subscription fees. As long as the stuff on the cash shop remains purely cosmetic, I don't consider it a cheapshot at all.

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The lack of increase in sub cost is frankly very surprising, in a good way. I remember when Runescape sub was only 5 bucks..

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Originally Posted by SkankyRoe

The lack of increase in sub cost is frankly very surprising, in a good way. I remember when Runescape sub was only 5 bucks..

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They know when they do, the playerbase would likely go feral on this - Though interestingly, they are also ready to put in hundreds of dollars into crowdfunded projects of new ones, only for them to be stalled in development for years and/or eventually closed.

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Originally Posted by Bubert

$75 is not an insane price for multiple glams.
Blizzard sells a few pets for $200 and I don’t see anyone complaining about that because guess what? You don’t really need those things.
They are optional for those who have free money to spend.

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That... is not the point
The point is they shouldn't be time limited, that is a slippery slope

Also there has never been a pet for 200$, even the auction house mount was 90$. please stop spreading misinformation for a game you clearly dont play

If you wanted to gotcha wow you should've mentioned how it's doing been doing these awful time limited store items for years.

FFXIV team is very good at PR. They can distance themselves from F2P games all they want but they employ the same tactics on top of a sub. They're just really good at making you feel special because you're paying for the privilege of playing the game you already bought (see all and any housing arguements).

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Originally Posted by Reimmi

That... is not the point
The point is they shouldn't be time limited, that is a slippery slope

Also there has never been a pet for 200$, even the auction house mount was 90$. please stop spreading misinformation for a game you clearly dont play

If you wanted to gotcha wow you should've mentioned how it's doing been doing these awful time limited store items for years.

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But again you don’t really need these glams. They won’t affect your game if you don’t buy them. So how’s that Fomo exactly? It can only be Fomo for people who struggle to manage their money. There’s plenty of free glams in the game.

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Originally Posted by Reimmi

That... is not the point
The point is they shouldn't be time limited, that is a slippery slope

Also there has never been a pet for 200$, even the auction house mount was 90$. please stop spreading misinformation for a game you clearly dont play

If you wanted to gotcha wow you should've mentioned how it's doing been doing these awful time limited store items for years.

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And they literally have a pack of a few pets that cost exactly $200 in their shop. I do play the game and me personally don’t see any whining from people.

I think the cash shop is a necessary evil. I just wish more of the items where affordable to support the game.

Anyway, this thread is about the FOMO and time-gated items, sorry, didn't mean to spark a discussion on the cash shop. ^^;

It's actually more about items you can earn in game since that's where most of the time-gated stuff that exists are in. Where honestly most of the frustration comes from.

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Originally Posted by Moqi

FFXIV team is very good at PR. They can distance themselves from F2P games all they want but they employ the same tactics on top of a sub. They're just really good at making you feel special because you're paying for the privilege of playing the game you already bought (see all and any housing arguements).

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Is the F2P tactics in the room with us now? Also, FFXIV (PC) has zero loot boxes and gambling for anything in-game too like no out here thinking it's acceptable to pay $400-500 to unlock a new job stone whatever and from the ground up to extract money from players by adding tedious tasks that can be skipped for more power with money.

I mean, I was there because my first MMO was Maple Story and Nexon is a trash company that introduced one of the most predatory ways by selling gacha for prem currency when I was a kid now it's infected all of mobile gaming like with Hoyo and related F2P companies reliant on gambling from kids, whales, and gambling addicts.

Yes they are with us lol. But like I said they are doing a great job as evidenced by you parroting "no lootboxes" as if all F2P games do is gambling and P2W.

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Originally Posted by Striker44

Going to play Devil's Advocate here and point out a different thought - what was the price of a sub in 2013 when ARR launched? What is the price of a sub today? Oh, the same...how many other things do you know that haven't increased a single penny in cost over the past 13 years? Even other digital things like your Netflix or Hulu or whatever has gone up, probably several times. How is it possible that the FFXIV sub stays the same? Right - in part because SE makes money from the cash shop that would otherwise come from all of us in our subscription fees. As long as the stuff on the cash shop remains purely cosmetic, I don't consider it a cheapshot at all.

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In fairness, the cash shop is overpriced and that is the cheap shot. I know, market analytics show that they make more money from a smaller group of people buying a €15 glam/mount than from a bigger pool of people buying a €5 glam. But the fact is, a lot of these outfits, mounts and so forth are priced high enough that for some people it is the same cost as groceries for a week.

I acknowledge it's purely cosmetic but that doesn't dismiss the fact that a lot of good glamours and mounts are going to the store when they could have been rewards from the base game. The Shadow Wolf mount is a good example. Why not add some of these super cute glams to maps? But nope, we get more, modern day baggy clothes... yay! Meanwhile the store gets all the cute stuff!

I acknowledge they're a business, but a lot of their stuff is simply overpriced. €3.50 for housing items when you often need 2-3+ is just... yikes.

On top of Retainer bells, Chocobo Saddlebags, they've put plenty of inventory space behind paid systems as well.

WoW is worse, but that doesn't mean we can't complain about the XIV stuff. Just because there's worse doesn't mean it can't be better.

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Originally Posted by Moqi

Yes they are with us lol. But like I said they are doing a great job as evidenced by you parroting "no lootboxes" as if all F2P games do is gambling and P2W.

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wdym can you give us an example of it? The second MMO I ever played was an F2P KRMMO for decade, and I've been quite familiar with them for ages too before I started FFXIV.

The worst part of F2P games is that they force players to do chores for like pennies' worth of prem currency and it gives us a false sense that we can save up for something better, but in reality, you will never catch up to those who can open their wallets and buy them but you do get to waste a lot of your time for nothing.