Why lock Beastmaster behind Dawntrail?

I noticed in the fan fest beastmaster reveal that they mentioned requiring Dawntrail to play Beastmaster. Why would they lock the limited job behind an expansion? They didn’t do this for Blue mage and the job likely won’t even need to go to dawntrail areas on release because it’s launching at level 50 cap.

As someone who stopped playing after Endwalker, I planned to resub when Beastmaster launched to try out some new content. But I guess now I’ll be holding off until Blue mage gets it’s level 90 cap, unless they decide to arbitrarily lock that behind a later expansion too.

It makes sense for content released in Dawntrail to require Dawntrail, from a business perspective, since it's part of the Dawntrail patch cycle.

They make a fair amount of exceptions as it is like when they've added general features such as Bard music, gpose, Blue Mage as you mentioned, Gold Saucer and PvP updates, Adventurer Plates, etc. Or like how Cosmic Exploration is retroactively available from an Endwalker area.

From a business perspective it’s lost them a sub, so not really seeing the sense. Having the level 91-100 content locked to dawntrail, sure, because it will require dawntrail content, same with Blue mage. But releasing it at level 50 cap, likely only requiring access to ARR areas and completion of ARR story? They could have made it available from ARR especially when they already set that precedent with the previous limited job…

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Originally Posted by Cabalabob

From a business perspective it’s lost them a sub…

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from a business perspective it makes them sell more expansions

Beastmaster is not going to be the thing that pushes someone who didn’t buy Dawntrail into buying it. It could have been the reason someone who didn’t buy Dawntrail had a reason to re-sub.

SE probably has a better idea what pushes people to buy expansions than you do. Also, you might be the only weirdo who has a problem getting Dawntrail. You want new content? You buy the expansion. That's what it is for. You don't want new content? That's a you issue. Do they miss your subscription? Probably not enough to change a content decision just for your entitled butt.

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Originally Posted by Cabalabob

I noticed in the fan fest beastmaster reveal that they mentioned requiring Dawntrail to play Beastmaster. Why would they lock the limited job behind an expansion? They didn’t do this for Blue mage and the job likely won’t even need to go to dawntrail areas on release because it’s launching at level 50 cap.

As someone who stopped playing after Endwalker, I planned to resub when Beastmaster launched to try out some new content. But I guess now I’ll be holding off until Blue mage gets it’s level 90 cap, unless they decide to arbitrarily lock that behind a later expansion too.

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Only caviat I'd interject about needing to own Dawntrail. When you didn't need to own Stormblood for Blue Mage is.
Back then the free trial capped at 35. (14 day trial just had been lifted)
So in essence, you DID need to buy Stormblood. Nobody was just buying ARR or HW lol

Free trial never did get the push to 50.

When Shadowbringers came out, the Free Trial finally became the "Free Trial from ARR to HW" deal.

https://www.ign.com/articles/2017/03...me-restriction

Here's an IGN article explaining when the free trial changed back in stormblood.

Here's an article of when you could finally do 1-60 ARR to HW

https://www.polygon.com/2020/7/22/21...ard-level-cap/

We've had this deal for a long time so people forget.

SO yes.

You didn't NEED stormblood technically to gain access to Bluemage... but you weren't getting to level 50 or beating the MSQ prerequisite to get it either without Stormblood.

NOW THAT BEING SAID (EDIT)

If you do wanna be upset that Beastmaster, which we've waited this whole expansion for is only 50 levels (And not even at least 80), and the majority of your content will be ARR while Blue Mage gets completely snubbed.

That is still a completely legit and reasonable fair response.

We knew that Beastmaster was a Dawntrail thing since before Dawntrail even came out. Every time a brand new feature comes out, regardless of how level-tied it is, you need the expansion it came out in to access it. Unless it's expanding an old feature from previous expansions.

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Originally Posted by Bad_Luck

SE probably has a better idea what pushes people to buy expansions than you do. Also, you might be the only weirdo who has a problem getting Dawntrail. You want new content? You buy the expansion. That's what it is for. You don't want new content? That's a you issue. Do they miss your subscription? Probably not enough to change a content decision just for your entitled butt.

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Endwalker was a jumping off point for a lot of players as the end of the Zodiark saga. That doesn’t mean the game is instantly dead to them. Having new content available to players who dropped the game is a great way to retain subscriptions, things like PvP updates, Gold saucer and Blue Mage (whose life cycle for endwalker players is soon coming to an end). Beastmaster could have been another way to do that considering it’s going to be content entirely contained within the base game on launch and likely only go up 10 levels per update giving it some longevity until they come up with another one. Now, it’s just more Dawntrail content.

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Originally Posted by Heroman3003

We knew that Beastmaster was a Dawntrail thing since before Dawntrail even came out. Every time a brand new feature comes out, regardless of how level-tied it is, you need the expansion it came out in to access it. Unless it's expanding an old feature from previous expansions.

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Literally the only other content this statement could apply to is Blue mage which, as has already been pointed out, that is untrue for.

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Originally Posted by Cabalabob

Literally the only other content this statement could apply to is Blue mage which, as has already been pointed out, that is untrue for.

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Cosmic Exploration is a level 90 quest that features leveling for crafters from level 10 and up and only requires completion of quest "Endwalker" to unlock, not even post-patch stuff. You still cannot access it if you do not have Dawntrail.

Do you need to finish the quest "Dawntrail" (level 100) or just own Dawntrail? Because if its the latter, that makes sense. It's a part of the Dawntrail expansion. You need to buy the expansion to play it. Just like you do for Viper and Pictomancer despite them starting at Shadowbringer's level cap.

You only need Own DT you only need to have completed the 2.0 questline.


https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...6&d=1777488337

Bringing up the first and only limited job is quite disingenuous, especially with how long ago it released, the size of the game then, how many were not on the latest expac of the time (Stb); they didn't need that requirement. (Hint: read a post or two above to understamd Stb was actually needed on a technical point.) What you're basically asking is to have your cake and eat it too while barely supporting them. (News flash, most of the sub money isn't income, its used to pay staff and such, spare/extra money comes from mog sales and expac releases, which you claim to not support at all for one of them. With your stance, I assume you barely had any mog purchases to supplement them)

TLDR: your sub won't be missed by Square by your own words. You're in a delusion where a small pittance of 10-15 USD a month is life changing for a company running an MMO. Sub's keep the servers running, ancillary sales make the impactful income.

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Originally Posted by Emitans

Do you need to finish the quest "Dawntrail" (level 100) or just own Dawntrail?

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The exact requirements are to own Dawntrail, and to have finished the 2.0 storyline, which is up to Ultima Weapon and Lahabrea[D].

I also imagine if we ever reach the point Dawntrail is included in the free trial, which hey, might be a thing in 10.0, Beastmaster will likewise be made 'free'.

IMO the level cap doesn't matter because it's a limited job. It doesn't interact with content normally, just like Blue Mage doesn't. It could be level 50 or level 100, it would still be a limited job.

Or you can stop being a free loader and just get dawntrail. Tired of getting Crystal Tower Alliance raidids.

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Originally Posted by JerryBerrry

Or you can stop being a free loader and just get dawntrail. Tired of getting Crystal Tower Alliance raidids.

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That's unfortunatley not going to fix the Crystal Tower situation, because people are just not unlocking later ARs.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

That's unfortunatley not going to fix the Crystal Tower situation, because people are just not unlocking later ARs.

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tbf, there are tons of outdated sidequests and whoever is leveling or boosting their way to 100 just overlooks them