Items disappearing after 7.5

Im travelling via random plots and watching indoor housing, noted few problems

1. Some items dissapearing after i rotate camera and reappearing again in 1-2 seconds when i focusing camera on it.I seen SE wrote about 400 objects limit per floor in patchnote, so the items above this limit should hide. But its works even with lower amount for me, even in a small houses.
https://i.imgur.com/dZSLVWk.png
2. Also a small house (1st GIF), and a big one (2d GIF) went up and down on a stairs, items dissapeared and reappeared. It is how its suppose to work on stairs?
GIF: https://i.imgur.com/UsaXgmc.gif
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Pls share your expirience, maybe it will be different on another platform/system?

UPD1: bug form 1st paragraph still actual, here is suggested way to fix it is to leave the house and reenter (seems like works not for all)
UPD2: created a topic on the support forum (already not actual, the only way is dirrect support ticket)
UPD3: SE know about 1st problem, it was mentioned before. Still, the latest update from 05/07 does not contain any relevant fixes.

POSSIBLE FIX: ppls found glich which can resolve culling items problem, its easy to do, so give it a try (special thx to Alberos)

I'm noticing similar slight glitches even in smalls.

I've been working on one since the update and at first absolutely nothing was going wrong. Toward the end of the build at around 295 items I decided to try the new dark wood flooring in the basement. Incidentally it is absolutely gorgeous, but as soon as I changed that a weird glitch started happening.

Now when entering the house, part of the backward wall cabinets I'm using to cover the back walls don't draw immediately and the default white minimalist wall shows through for about 1 second before everything draws correctly.

That's all I've seen in smalls though. Once that 1 second glitch on entry draws correctly, everything looks fine moving and rotating.

PS5.

Actually I spoke too soon. In the small with 295 items there are oddities as you walk around even on a single floor. One particular fully exposed lantern (skydeep) will vanish and redraw, including its ambient light effect. It's pretty jarring when it happens, especially because the light flickers as you rotate the camera toward it. Yuck.

I know shadow casting lights have always had a draw distance for shadows on PS5 but this one is way under what that distance has been in the past and the actual lantern object is vanishing, not just the shadow effect.

Thx for the info, so its happens on consoles too... I hope SE will fix it or make a separate settings to switch off this mechanics.

I thought I was having a moment when this was happening, medium house 300 items used (over 2 floors) and I could look at one wall upstairs turn around and see walls, decorations and posters phasing in and out of exsistance. Not a cause of seeing things on another floor even it was all things on the same floor I was on.

No consistancy though as today when I logged in its not doing it, least not yet.

It happens randomly, nothing serious, but... annoying. It also happens with some light sources when I get close or farther away from certain objects, the light/shadow changing.

More info on this. This vanishing furnishing bug is NOT happening anywhere for me after logging in today.

It was happening constantly last night in every house I entered of all sizes, but never in an apartment or FC room. In small, mediums and larges, it was happening with items of all sizes, including stage panels and partitions. Absolutely no problems today.

Yesterday it only started happening after entering and roaming several houses, including trying out the new dark wood flooring in 3 mediums and 1 small. I placed it in 2 of the mediums and the small.

I had originally thought that placing the new floor is what caused the glitching to start but the detail I missed is that I had done that in several houses before I noticed the problem.

I wonder if the advertized behavior (fading of furnishings over 400) is erroneously counting cumulative furnishings viewed across multiple estates, like a counter is not getting reset appropriately.

This bug was reported by SE in their first Known Issues post after the patch. I just thought I'd give some detail since they stated they couldn't repeat it at the time. I'm going to see if I can get it to occur again today and note all the housing actions I do that lead up to it before putting in a bug report.

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Originally Posted by Merton9999

More info on this. This vanishing furnishing bug is NOT happening anywhere for me after logging in today.

It was happening constantly last night in every house I entered of all sizes, but never in an apartment or FC room. In small, mediums and larges, it was happening with items of all sizes, including stage panels and partitions. Absolutely no problems today.

Yesterday it only started happening after entering and roaming several houses, including trying out the new dark wood flooring in 3 mediums and 1 small. I placed it in 2 of the mediums and the small.

I had originally thought that placing the new floor is what caused the glitching to start but the detail I missed is that I had done that in several houses before I noticed the problem.

I wonder if the advertized behavior (fading of furnishings over 400) is erroneously counting cumulative furnishings viewed across multiple estates, like a counter is not getting reset appropriately.

This bug was reported by SE in their first Known Issues post after the patch. I just thought I'd give some detail since they stated they couldn't repeat it at the time. I'm going to see if I can get it to occur again today and note all the housing actions I do that lead up to it before putting in a bug report.

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True, seems like they really fix it, i can't reproduce it anymore. Thx for a really good news!:)
Hope everything will be fine.

The vanishing glitch came back today after playing about 6 hourse hours, including entering several houses and modifying the design on a couple.

Logging out of my character and logging back in did not fix it. However, Exiting the game on PS5, then restarting and logging back in did fix it.

I finally got around to decorating my house today. 450 items on three floors of a med.

Whole walls are disappearing with everything still attached. The only way to fix it is to leave the house and reenter.

So its floating bug... But at least there is a way to fix it, even if only temporarily, helpfull info, thx you <3
Hope SE will fix it soon.

I fear even leaving the house and reentering doesn't fix this annoying bug. I have it today the whole day long, I had already reentered, switched characters, reloaded the game, reloaded my PC... Nothing helps.
Feel very dissapointed :(

I can successfully avoid this bug on PS5 in small and medium houses when it occurs (after many hourse of playing and walking around many houses) by closing the game entirely and relaunching. Then it does not occur again for many hours.

The bug never occurs for me in apartments or FC chambers.

However, in larges the bug is present immediatley with no way to prevent it. Sadly I'm going to postpone working on mine or even entering them except to reset the timers. It's way too jarring to watch this happen as I walk around. It's not just small items that disappear. It's wall panels that hide separate rooms and default walls, making the whole experience terrible :(

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Originally Posted by Merton9999

I can successfully avoid this bug on PS5 in small and medium houses when it occurs (after many hourse of playing and walking around many houses) by closing the game entirely and relaunching. Then it does not occur again for many hours.

The bug never occurs for me in apartments or FC chambers.

However, in larges the bug is present immediatley with no way to prevent it. Sadly I'm going to postpone working on mine or even entering them except to reset the timers. It's way too jarring to watch this happen as I walk around. It's not just small items that disappear. It's wall panels that hide separate rooms and default walls, making the whole experience terrible :(

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I'll add too that I haven't added any items to my larges either yet. Just the 400 they had before. I like to keep the height in the center and close off the top floor with panels. Those all flicker in and out now, revealing the naked default top rooms...lol

welp, was super excited for this update but now....
looks like its not even proximity based, they divided priority by floor and certain items? my entire wall and lighting will disappear and reappear depending on my camera angle in the large house.
so the entire center area of the house is un-useable as a floor-to-cealing builds, gotta divide it up into 2 floors...?

Might not be as big an issue on small/medium houses but on large, entire floors worth of lighting will disappear when you walk up to the 2nd floor and look back downstairs, or if you look up at the 2nd floor from 1st floor.

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Originally Posted by Housinginneed

welp, was super excited for this update but now....
looks like its not even proximity based, they divided priority by floor and certain items? my entire wall and lighting will disappear and reappear depending on my camera angle in the large house.
so the entire center area of the house is un-useable as a floor-to-cealing builds, gotta divide it up into 2 floors...?

Might not be as big an issue on small/medium houses but on large, entire floors worth of lighting will disappear when you walk up to the 2nd floor and look back downstairs, or if you look up at the 2nd floor from 1st floor.

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Now this sounds really awful, the whole point to me to wish to get big house was in usage of this area... I really hope they will make a separate option for this feature:(

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Originally Posted by Housinginneed

welp, was super excited for this update but now....
looks like its not even proximity based, they divided priority by floor and certain items? my entire wall and lighting will disappear and reappear depending on my camera angle in the large house.
so the entire center area of the house is un-useable as a floor-to-cealing builds, gotta divide it up into 2 floors...?

Might not be as big an issue on small/medium houses but on large, entire floors worth of lighting will disappear when you walk up to the 2nd floor and look back downstairs, or if you look up at the 2nd floor from 1st floor.

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Yep. I doubt this is what they intended, given that they stated a known issue with vanishing furnishings the day after the patch.

But... this is similar to what I'm seeing. The design I prefer for larges incorporates center top floor items with bottom floor items. Currently the way they draw in makes the entire picture look disgusting and unusable now. It's not just small items and lights but whole wall panels etc. If it's going to stay similar to this I'd rather go back to the old limits lol. I don't care to completely close off the ceiling at the height of the side rooms. The giant center ceiling is the reason I wanted large houses.

Also, I am suddenly seeing the problem even in apartments and FC rooms, which is new. Today I walked into my FC room and watched what must have been 30 items draw in slowly. Thankfully exiting the game and restarting fixed that one.

Yes, the same problem.
I have two larges. And in both lightning turns on and off then you change camera angle. And, as I already said, nothing can change that, not relogs or reloads.
Looks really awful. And it now doesn't depend on how much items you use. With 400 items issue is the same.

I add to the issue, I own a large house, I concealed the upper floor with different sorts of partitions, and since they flicker, the magic is completely ruined. I have not even reached the 400-item threshold!
This housing update is quite a mess! I own a 3080ti gpu, I play with ultra graphics, and still I have this kind of problem. Please, please fix it!

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Originally Posted by faris_minamino

I add to the issue, I own a large house, I concealed the upper floor with different sorts of partitions, and since they flicker, the magic is completely ruined. I have not even reached the 400-item threshold!
This housing update is quite a mess! I own a 3080ti gpu, I play with ultra graphics, and still I have this kind of problem. Please, please fix it!

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It seems like graphical settings dosn't affect this mechanics at all. Central area in a big houses are double height compared to standart, perhaps their system counting it as a two floors. I don't know how this feature even went out of QA department, this thing should't exist.

Just for clarification - all of ou seeing this issue - are you playing on console? If so, which one?

The patch notes mentioned the 400 limit being limited to PS4 only, so if they're forcing culling on other platforms as well that would seem like a bug.

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Originally Posted by Tyintheron

Just for clarification - all of ou seeing this issue - are you playing on console? If so, which one?
The patch notes mentioned the 400 limit being limited to PS4 only, so if they're forcing culling on other platforms as well that would seem like a bug.

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Well, previous person wrote about 3080ti gpu, so its should be a PC, i guess. Same for me, im PC user.
And the mechanics works even when ppls have <400 items on floor.

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Originally Posted by Tyintheron

Just for clarification - all of ou seeing this issue - are you playing on console? If so, which one?

The patch notes mentioned the 400 limit being limited to PS4 only, so if they're forcing culling on other platforms as well that would seem like a bug.

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PS5 for me. 400 items placed in a large. Nothing added. Center of the house exposed, consisting of top and bottom floor. Items on the top floor flicker in and out when looking up from the bottom, including stage panels used to hide the top side railings and rooms. Upstairs lights flicker on and off. Really terrible to roam around the house now. It's like horror show...lol

I actually can get this to stop when closing and relaunching the game though... sometimes. And it will stop happening for hours. Really not sure what causes it sometimes and not others. I've had it be both fine and bad alone in the house and with two friends running around.

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Originally Posted by Tyintheron

Just for clarification - all of ou seeing this issue - are you playing on console? If so, which one?

The patch notes mentioned the 400 limit being limited to PS4 only, so if they're forcing culling on other platforms as well that would seem like a bug.

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PC user here.

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Originally Posted by Merton9999

PS5 for me. 400 items placed in a large. Nothing added. Center of the house exposed, consisting of top and bottom floor. Items on the top floor flicker in and out when looking up from the bottom, including stage panels used to hide the top side railings and rooms. Upstairs lights flicker on and off. Really terrible to roam around the house now. It's like horror show...lol

I actually can get this to stop when closing and relaunching the game though... sometimes. And it will stop happening for hours. Really not sure what causes it sometimes and not others. I've had it be both fine and bad alone in the house and with two friends running around.

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I'm trying to figure out if this is a problem from the 1st point or 2d. The bug you mentioned also reproducing when you go upstairs and down? If yes is suppose to be vanishing mechanics, when some items on another floor hiding to save FPS. But it should't work like that in a Large houses. The problem SE knows described here, but it can be different case than yours.

I suggest to write about it to their support center. (not the forums, forums support are useless)
Im already wrote them about first problem, but can't make a second ticket because have no large house by myself. The house I found(where the case is reproduced) most likely made with 3d party programs, I don't want problems for its owner ^_^'

latestpdate from 05/07 does not contain any relevant fixes, waiting, waiting, waiting.

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Originally Posted by Moon_Rabbit

I'm trying to figure out if this is a problem from the 1st point or 2d. The bug you mentioned also reproducing when you go upstairs and down? If yes is suppose to be vanishing mechanics, when some items on another floor hiding to save FPS. But it should't work like that in a Large houses. The problem SE knows described here, but it can be different case than yours.

I suggest to write about it to their support center. (not the forums, forums support are useless)
Im already wrote them about first problem, but can't make a second ticket because have no large house by myself. The house I found(where the case is reproduced) most likely made with 3d party programs, I don't want problems for its owner ^_^'

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Yeah, I don't expect to get a resolution from SE by posting in this forum. They already acknowledged there is a bug with the drawing mechanics the day after the patch.

They did mention they couldn't repeat it at the time. I had considered posting an actual bug report, but I have no consistent way to reproduce the problem that I can report.

I was posting here mostly to see if anyone else encountered specific prevention steps before a fix is released. My own tactic now is to just shut down the game when it happens and relaunch. That will always fix small, medium, FC room, appartments for me for hours.

Larges it's random. Sometimes restarting the game helps for a while. Sometimes not. But in any case the behavior is not what they advertized. They advertized that there would be gradual draw-in of distant objects on other floors when more than 400 items are visible. In my larges, it happens with only 400 items placed, with objects of all sizes, including items on the same floor as my character.

It started happen to me now, I got the 'virus' now. And I'm not even hitting 300 items for the entire house yet (L house). I'm currently sitting at 280-ish item and is only decorated 1st floor (~210 items) and the rest is in the unfinished basement. Although those 70 or so items in the basement is very compacted, they're all in the Japanese shrine thing that I made. Nothing happen today while I'm working on my house, then I went AFK, come back and visit 1 mansion, 1 small, 1 apartment, and 1 fc room to do my gardening routine. Come back to my house after I'm done annnnnd my reception counter disappear.

This issue has been plaguing L house since HW or so when I first got my house, back when it's only 200 slots. Like, I can't see what I placed in the center area behind the stairs kinda thing. Then they fix it by stop culling or together (at least I can't see it cull). And for some reason, now they start doing it again! Why SQEX WHYYY? If my PC can handle it, just let my PC handle it! Or use better culling algorithm. I hope they can come up with better culling algorithm, cuz rendering everything regardless of visibility ain't quite optimized.

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Originally Posted by Alberos

It started happen to me now, I got the 'virus' now. And I'm not even hitting 300 items for the entire house yet (L house). I'm currently sitting at 280-ish item and is only decorated 1st floor (~210 items) and the rest is in the unfinished basement. Although those 70 or so items in the basement is very compacted, they're all in the Japanese shrine thing that I made. Nothing happen today while I'm working on my house, then I went AFK, come back and visit 1 mansion, 1 small, 1 apartment, and 1 fc room to do my gardening routine. Come back to my house after I'm done annnnnd my reception counter disappear.

This issue has been plaguing L house since HW or so when I first got my house, back when it's only 200 slots. Like, I can't see what I placed in the center area behind the stairs kinda thing. Then they fix it by stop culling or together (at least I can't see it cull). And for some reason, now they start doing it again! Why SQEX WHYYY? If my PC can handle it, just let my PC handle it! Or use better culling algorithm. I hope they can come up with better culling algorithm, cuz rendering everything regardless of visibility ain't quite optimized.

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Well, maybe the parts of old system is a reason why their improvements works not well. Hope they will fix it soon...(or turn it off to hell)

I don't know why they're bringing this system back. I don't know why they bother about culling that floor when you're on this floor, if this floor hit that number, sort by distance so on so on thing. Just use Frustrum culling and Occlusion culling like every other game and it would works fine. Unless their engine make it so hard or just not support these basic optimization techniques.

Btw, someone figures a way to disable culling temporary during current game session and it's very easy to do. Give it a try, I haven't try it myself yet, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpgK9Bbn6wk. Based on this "fix" and the comment on that video, seem like this system is a way bigger spaghetti than it seem. TLDW: you use teleport or return inside your house, cancel the animation, go out, go back in, repeat 1 or 2 more times, and it will disable culling for current game session, aka you only need to do it once per play session and it stick for every house you visit during that session. At least that's what he told in the video.

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Originally Posted by Alberos

I don't know why they're bringing this system back. I don't know why they bother about culling that floor when you're on this floor, if this floor hit that number, sort by distance so on so on thing. Just use Frustrum culling and Occlusion culling like every other game and it would works fine. Unless their engine make it so hard or just not support these basic optimization techniques.

Btw, someone figures a way to disable culling temporary during current game session and it's very easy to do. Give it a try, I haven't try it myself yet, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpgK9Bbn6wk. Based on this "fix" and the comment on that video, seem like this system is a way bigger spaghetti than it seem. TLDW: you use teleport or return inside your house, cancel the animation, go out, go back in, repeat 1 or 2 more times, and it will disable culling for current game session, aka you only need to do it once per play session and it stick for every house you visit during that session. At least that's what he told in the video.

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I've added the video instructions you shared to the main post, thank you so much!
My friend and I will try this today too.

Is this issue for large house even being addressed? I see a sticky on top for items disappearing under 400 placements, but what about large houses and how we can't make use of the MAIN FEATURE of the large house which is the tall cealing build? priorities set by floor so if we're on the first floor and look at 2nd floor, all lights disappears, if we're on the 2nd floor and look down at 1st floor, all lights disappear....... I'd rather have it reverted back to 400 limit, was this never even a consideration for large houses because there are so few large house owners?

Good news! they gave us 600 more item slots but can only display 400 of them. Sounds a lot like a monkey paws wish come true!

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Originally Posted by Housinginneed

Is this issue for large house even being addressed? I see a sticky on top for items disappearing under 400 placements, but what about large houses and how we can't make use of the MAIN FEATURE of the large house which is the tall cealing build? priorities set by floor so if we're on the first floor and look at 2nd floor, all lights disappears, if we're on the 2nd floor and look down at 1st floor, all lights disappear....... I'd rather have it reverted back to 400 limit, was this never even a consideration for large houses because there are so few large house owners?

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So my guess about large houses turned out to be true? If wrote to support about 2 problems, items culling on same floor and when you running between the floors. Seems like L-house central area counting as 2...
Funny thing, i heard mod makers already fixed 400 objects culling problem (well, they just switch it OFF as i read on their site). This solution is still better than leaving things as is. If Square Enix doesn't fix this in the future, I hope they'll at least add the option to manually disable it..

Large houses seem to have it worst. For me this sucks because I like a large open build with details that could be seen from afar. This issue ruins my build because some key items in the distance won't render until you get close.

The server simply can’t handle it.
Why act surprised?
Alternatively, even if we assume the server can handle it, many players’ PCs can’t.
Especially in a game that also runs on console-like platforms such as Switch, Xbox, and PS5.
Not sure if you’re familiar with Fallout 4 and its settlement system, but even in a single player game, there’s an item limit.
If you push it too far, performance drops or the game just crashes on the player’s machine.

The server's only role here is to share a list of items (and their coordinates inside and outside the house) with other players. Its not a burden at all.
Graphics processing is entirely on a client-side, and the only reason SE added this "optimization system" is for weak consoles like the PS4.

The thing I can't understand is why it couldn’t be added as a separate setting that can be disabled.

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Originally Posted by Moon_Rabbit

The server's only role here is to share a list of items (and their coordinates inside and outside the house) with other players. Its not a burden at all.
Graphics processing is entirely on a client-side, and the only reason SE added this "optimization system" is for weak consoles like the PS4.

The thing I can't understand is why it couldn’t be added as a separate setting that can be disabled.

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I think people are hoping it isn’t a burden on the server, but clearly there is one to some degree.
Otherwise, why would item limits exist in the first place?
I used Fallout 4 settlement building as an example because customized settlements are loaded directly into the world space, similar to how FFXIV’s ward system works.
Sure, you can bypass the build limits in Fallout 4 with console commands, but on weaker PCs that can easily lead to performance problems or outright crashes.
If even a single player game can run into those issues, why would people expect an MMO to be completely unaffected?
Especially when the server has to handle hundreds of player houses simultaneously.
Unless someone actually has experience with MMO server architecture and knows something the rest of us don’t, I don’t see why it’s unreasonable to assume there are technical limitations involved.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

I think people are hoping it isn’t a burden on the server, but clearly there is one to some degree.
Otherwise, why would item limits exist in the first place?
I used Fallout 4 settlement building as an example because customized settlements are loaded directly into the world space, similar to how FFXIV’s ward system works.
Sure, you can bypass the build limits in Fallout 4 with console commands, but on weaker PCs that can easily lead to performance problems or outright crashes.
If even a single player game can run into those issues, why would people expect an MMO to be completely unaffected?
Especially when the server has to handle hundreds of player houses simultaneously.
Unless someone actually has experience with MMO server architecture and knows something the rest of us don’t, I don’t see why it’s unreasonable to assume there are technical limitations involved.

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I meet this issue in a day of 7.5 release, when my medium house was at the same state as in 7.4 and with same amount of items. Same for some other ppls here. The developers stated that 400 is a hard limit for a floor, okay, let's say it's also a server limit, but that doesn't explain why problems occur even in medium/small houses where there aren't that many items. If you are right and the things with their servers really that bad(i really can't imaginate such a bad code novadays), i think the only solution for SE is to increase server powers OR to separate instances for housing from other. Because there already no way to turn item limits back without removing items over the old limits. Anyway, unless they fix this somehow or allow us to directly toggle the item clipping system for our houses, or this bug will force me to quit the game. I can only imagine what might happen with version 8.0 when a lot of people come online.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

The server simply can’t handle it.
Why act surprised?
Alternatively, even if we assume the server can handle it, many players’ PCs can’t.
Especially in a game that also runs on console-like platforms such as Switch, Xbox, and PS5.
Not sure if you’re familiar with Fallout 4 and its settlement system, but even in a single player game, there’s an item limit.
If you push it too far, performance drops or the game just crashes on the player’s machine.

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Crazy on how people expect hardware to infinitely scale lol. Remember way back when when the ps3 was around. It would unrender items outside of a certain distance? And Square had to fix that