Evolved modes NEEDS options.

Hello! I'm going to start off by saying I'm actually a fan of the evolved mode from what I've seen so far, I do have concerns about healers but today I will not be discussing that as I have another concern and I hope they do eloborate further on.

This concern is the lack of custom toggles! and what I mean about this is the ability to separate skills if you want on a job, While yes I can always go "reborn mode" I think not doing as much damage and missing out on cool things such as counter attacks for me makes it not a option

Here's some examples.
Attack combos: i think I personally like pressing different buttons so having the toggle to put the different attack combos as different inputs is much needed.

Changing skills: Some I'm fine with such as Provoke becoming shirk on allies (though people who want the toggle it should be a option) but I think a skill like clemency I really think for solo content it will feel odd having to target myself off the fly, another example is shield bash being on shield lob, I don't want to accidently press shield bash when I meant to press shield lob but i was in range.

Please consider customizability for people like me who are fine with more buttons but really want to play in evolved mode.

you described my only current concern with evolved mode perfectly. devs, please consider adding the option to unmerge skills if wanted!

Agreed, I have the same concerns on some of these consolidations, I will shirk on accident if the buttons are the same and I prefer having them separate, evolved has already shrunk down the amount of buttons by a ton so it leaves space for players to split skills apart again without fear of bloat.

I also want to add that the consolidation of low blow and interject is a bad move and to be blunt, stupid. While the two can be used interchangeably that does not mean they are, stunning a foe and interjecting specific attacks/spells might seem the same but for foes that can be both stunned and has attacks you can interject it's way better to have both options separate. (I'm also thinking about how this would affect deep dungeons)

I'd say to move back on this choice fully, but if a option to split them as well can be added then it would work great for more casual (those who use the moves interchangeably and do not mind the fusion, to be specific) and those who like me think around these skills more.

Yep. I'm not really concerned with the new mode overall even if I'm curious as to how it will force change on a few specific jobs. But even on the jobs I feel will be perfectly fine with it, I really want there to be options in input choice. If I want to keep my 123 combo as a 123, I should be able to do that (even if it functionally changes nothing). If I want to be able to have Shield Bash and Shield Lob on different buttons, I should be able to do that (again, even if it actually changes nothing functionally). Etc. That's one of the benefits of playing on PC with a full MKB setup or the use of some other extended devices, and it should be respected.

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Originally Posted by Rithy255

Attack combos: i think I personally like pressing different buttons so having the toggle to put the different attack combos as different inputs is much needed.

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This isn't just about "liking" to have each combo step on a different hotkey, them all being on the same key actively messes up muscle memory at least in my case.
It makes it harder to track where you actually are in your combo when it's all just a single button and because your muscle memory becomes unreliable you end up having to stare at your hotbar all the time.

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Originally Posted by Rithy255

Changing skills: Some I'm fine with such as Provoke becoming shirk on allies (though people who want the toggle it should be a option) but I think a skill like clemency I really think for solo content it will feel odd having to target myself off the fly, another example is shield bash being on shield lob, I don't want to accidently press shield bash when I meant to press shield lob but i was in range.

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Having to target yourself with certain skills to access their alternative function wouldn't be such an issue if the macro system had proper action queing. With the gaping holes we now have in our hotbars you could easily just make a macro for self-targeting Holy Spirit (or whatever it will be called) if this didn't also make the ability infinitely more clunky to execute. Same with Provoke/Shirk, where you really don't want to mess up the targeting.

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Originally Posted by StriderShinryu

Yep. I'm not really concerned with the new mode overall even if I'm curious as to how it will force change on a few specific jobs. But even on the jobs I feel will be perfectly fine with it, I really want there to be options in input choice. If I want to keep my 123 combo as a 123, I should be able to do that (even if it functionally changes nothing). If I want to be able to have Shield Bash and Shield Lob on different buttons, I should be able to do that (again, even if it actually changes nothing functionally). Etc. That's one of the benefits of playing on PC with a full MKB setup or the use of some other extended devices, and it should be respected.

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Agreed! I'm a silly bean who likes the 1, 2, 3 combo even if pressing 1, 1, 1 is simple id still like the option as I play on pc and don't really struggle for space. That and merged skills being freely toggled would actually go for a long way for evolved mode.

I think the key on getting most people on board with evolved mode is making sure that we have options, I'll be really happy if they do let us have these sorts of choices on how we play, I do have some hopes as theirs some skills in the current game such as goring blade which can be separated from FOF so here's hoping.

If you want still be able to press 123 for the combo you could just put the same combo on 1, 2 and 3 and just press them accordingly instead of pressing 111.

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Originally Posted by ACE135

If you want still be able to press 123 for the combo you could just put the same combo on 1, 2 and 3 and just press them accordingly instead of pressing 111.

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I mean yes but like I rather them be separate buttons lol. Like I get what you are saying but that kind of just defeats the purpose in my head of wanting to feel like I am pressing different buttons even if I could turn on a mode that makes it one button.

I know from your perspective it might be a silly request but I like pressing my 1, 2, 3s and would like the buttons blanked out and unable to be pressed; sure most sane people will just press 1 but I like pressing more then just 1.

Yes, seconding this. They should give players the option to split skills if they want to.

Esp. the concerns about consolidating different utilities into the same skill should be addressed.

(I also like pressing different buttons for 1,2,3. It may sound silly but it just feels "powerful". Like an actual "evolution" of my skills. First I get to press the small button, now the slightly bigger button and now the big button. It makes that one button feel like The Important button. It's really stupid psychology and I know it's not Tekken-level comboing but it's just really satisfying to me lol.)

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Originally Posted by Loggos

Yes, seconding this. They should give players the option to split skills if they want to.

Esp. the concerns about consolidating different utilities into the same skill should be addressed.

(I also like pressing different buttons for 1,2,3. It may sound silly but it just feels "powerful". Like an actual "evolution" of my skills. First I get to press the small button, now the slightly bigger button and now the big button. It makes that one button feel like The Important button. It's really stupid psychology and I know it's not Tekken-level comboing but it's just really satisfying to me lol.)

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I am wanting some skills merged and some not for me so I really do hope we just have options. Unless they make macros better (even then macros can be kinda annoying to set up rather then just pressing stuff in your job actions tab).

Exactly you get my silly brain with the combo part xD Its just something I really like and I know others do. I'm someone who doesn't mind if the optimal way to play isn't that I think auto combo is actually pretty good for new players but my brain would much prefer it in a similar way to current with it being optional. I think I'll get used to it eitherway but it is something I'd much prefer

I can only judge by what was shown so far but to me it seems like the whole evolved jobs thing will be even more dumbing down and simplification than we ever had before.
I know it is still early, but just by looking at it

All jobs shown fill a gauge, then spend it
Warrior's inner release design has been cooied onto bard and drg
Brd uses song -> unlocks strong combo
Drg uses Stardiver -> unlocks strong combo
No tank stances anymore (was probably useless at this point i guess)
Things like rescue, swift cast etc seem to be gone, also mp usage kinda gone. Only cure and glare cost mp
Every job shown as like 4 or 5 buttons max to attack
2min meta gone (i didnt believe it) but raidbuffs also gone and personal buffs, too. No fight or flight, no mercy. Dancer without dance partner, astro without cards possibly.
Instead we get 40sec or 60sec loops.... and that's better?

Splitting the tanks is the dumbest decision ever. When off tanks do more damage, just bring 2 off tanks. I'm sure they will be able to handle the damage as always.
Also warriors will INSIST to be MT, we all know it already.
I'm very sceptical and more needs to be shown to convince me, but like i said it is still early to tell.

Also would greatly want to be able to split merged buttons up. That is my only trepidation with evolved mode and that would solve it entirely.

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Originally Posted by Rithy255

I'm fine with such as Provoke becoming shirk on allies (though people who want the toggle it should be a option)

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Realistically, there's no reason to not have a Shirk macro, and a Shirk macro can just include /macroicon "Shirk", making it seem unchanged.

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I think a skill like clemency I really think for solo content it will feel odd having to target myself off the fly

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Wouldn't Holy Spirit be clemency on yourself if you had no target? Since Holy Spirit normally requires a target.

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I don't want to accidently press shield bash when I meant to press shield lob but i was in range.

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I can't think of a scenario where I've ever pressed it close except on bosses with a massive hitbox, where my brain didn't remember that I'm right next to the boss, because in some ways my brain still thinks like ARR and HW days where we had tiny hitboxes. In this scenario, Shield Bash or Shield Lob would be equally bad potency either way and not stun anything.

I agree, we need options to 'unmerge' skills. Pressing the same button over and over again for different skills/effects feels awkward and boring to me. This is why I don't enjoy PvP anymore and I don't want to see the same thing in PvE. This needs to be optional, people should be able to choose whatever they prefer!

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Originally Posted by ACE135

If you want still be able to press 123 for the combo you could just put the same combo on 1, 2 and 3 and just press them accordingly instead of pressing 111.

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This sounds good on paper but it doesn't work because it lights up all 3 combo buttons on the hotbar which is distracting and it looks stupid... I tried it with currently existing combos and it's annoying.

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Originally Posted by emecsek

you described my only current concern with evolved mode perfectly. devs, please consider adding the option to unmerge skills if wanted!

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don't expect this from them THIS expansion honestly. i figure this expansion it will have to through 3rd party plugin to happen if you want that though they might surprise me i just don't expect it at 8.0 with them having to focus on every job getting into evolved

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Originally Posted by Mcg55ss

don't expect this from them THIS expansion honestly. i figure this expansion it will have to through 3rd party plugin to happen if you want that though they might surprise me i just don't expect it at 8.0 with them having to focus on every job getting into evolved

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Why not? the system is already in the game and was introduced with Dawntrail. You can unmerge (most) actions already.

with folks from both EN and JP forums bringing this up so much I sure do hope they actually address it by release