Nature magic healer

those of us that enjoy druid type healers, i feel, got shafted...yes, CNJ STARTS as a very druid type healer. even with the story line, cleansing of corruption, soothing the elements. you THINK it will continue down this path, then at level 30...you get a white mage stone...a healer that is very "priest" not "druid" i cant be the only one that felt like it was tonal whiplash. i would like to ask for a HoT (Heal over time) style druid-esq healer, maybe a geomancer?

Conjurer and White Mage would be that... But they've completely abandoned the roots of it and it's now just the Light elemental mage.

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Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard

Conjurer and White Mage would be that... But they've completely abandoned the roots of it and it's now just the Light elemental mage.

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They've drip-fed a lot of water back in as oGCDs, but very little wind (Aetherial Shift and maybe Assize) and zero earth from 72 and on. Both of the 2.0 healers have lost a lot of their thematic identity and are running together at this point, especially after SCH got their WHM cosplay version of Lemure Shroud.

I don't know what either of these things are (priest and druid), but I can tell you that:

White Mage actually GAINS a heal-over-time around that level and this transforms the job. It ceases to be a job where you cast cure spells to heal damage, and becomes a job where you can pre-emptively apply Heal-over-Times prior to pulling so that it does the healing for you, along with regen bubbles and other such things.

The heal-over-times actually ruined the job for me. I like healing damage. It was a lot of fun until I got all those regens and then abilities ruined it even more.

Cleansing corruption continues to exist with Esuna, but SE moves away from cleansing things after the low level dungeons, except in quite rare cases. I don't even remember routinely seeing cleansables in Extreme and Savage fights.

I think the idea of Druid/Shaman healings came as early as Wanderer's Palace, but I'm surprised it was never explored as an actual job.

Just start giving older classes their own job stones and start bringing them back into the game as alternative ways to play jobs. I'd like to get a reworked job or 2 every expansion instead of the fluff we get today.

The job stone would increase their base stats to bring them more in line with the other jobs.

Would love to see things like:
Archer becoming it's own job without the need for any of the musical aspect. Start bringing in elemental arrows ect. Maybe bring it into a Ranger with pet style.
Rogues could also be another job brought up as a Melee DPS that branches away from Ninjutsu. I liked the original idea with the Poisoned Venom Blades.
Gladiator being a more agressive Physcial attacking Tank than the healing Paladin. Perhaps a dual Sword style gameplay. Maruader in a similar vein could be a Hammer user.
Conjurer would be the Druid healer like we've lost. The Stone, Aero and Water spells returning as major aspects.

I think if we got one or two of these reworks per expansion we could easily increase our Job pool with more ways to play and focusing on the original core of the job. Obviously they could never do them all at once, but even getting one per expansion would be very nice.

PUT THIS PLAYER IN CLASS DESIGN SQEENIX :D

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

I don't know what either of these things are (priest and druid)

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basically a druid is someone that heals via nature magic, and a priest is someone that heals with holy magic

Maybe I am to D&D-brained in that sense, but when i think "Druid" I never think "healer", nature magic sure, but rather than healing, the guy that can turn into a mammoth at will and crush an enemy with a charge, or is capable of causing giant earthquakes and tsunami to engulf entire armies.

It would be about time that they seriously rework heal and don't simply split them in "Full heal" and "Shield" healer. There are lots of options to explore, nature healer is one of them.

Also I really misses the time where astro had a bit of random with the cards, and where you had to deal with what you've picked. It was fun.

But anyway, the biggest change they first should make is make healing needed again, so, remove a lot of mit and regen from every other jobs so that they can die if there is no heal. Like even a normal dungeon shouldn't be possible to clear without an healer.

idk about u, but im sick of being a green dps...let the people who PLAY dps do there jobs, *I* (and probably) a lot of others who pick healer ACTUALLY WANT TO PLAY A HEALER! not "green dps that occasionally heals"

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Originally Posted by Zorloff

i would like to ask for a HoT (Heal over time) style druid-esq healer, maybe a geomancer?

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WHM has heals over time. With the way this game's battle system is, stacking multiple HoTs is counter productive and a waste of a GCD due to how damage is dealt in this game. Next time you're in a dungeon, (other than w2w pulls) see how often the tank loses health and tell me multiple heals over time would be efficient. Usually having just regen up causes overheals.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

They've drip-fed a lot of water back in as oGCDs, but very little wind (Aetherial Shift and maybe Assize) and zero earth from 72 and on. Both of the 2.0 healers have lost a lot of their thematic identity and are running together at this point, especially after SCH got their WHM cosplay version of Lemure Shroud.

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we did have aero III which was an AOE dot. That was nice. wish we had that.

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Originally Posted by MsMisato

we did have aero III which was an AOE dot. That was nice. wish we had that.

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wait, we dont have aero 3 anymore? what happened?

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Originally Posted by Zorloff

wait, we dont have aero 3 anymore? what happened?

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Got removed in Shadowbringers, almost 7 years ago by this point

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Originally Posted by Zorloff

wait, we dont have aero 3 anymore? what happened?

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It was lost in the great healer DPS button purge of shadowbringers(2019).

White Mage really should've remained the job that used the more "natural" elements. I don't mind the use of light-themed attacks, but it should've been in tandem with the natural spells. Missed opportunity to have a simple rotation built around Earth, Water, and Wind spells that builds up to a big holy spell.

Also Geomancer would've been a fantastic DPS alternative for those natural elements.

WHMs Stone spells are so much cooler than the indistinct light swirls its been doing now.

return aero3 (24s, stacks with Dia, gain in single target), move the whole glare family behind presence of mind to make it work like glare4 and return their main attack spells to the stone family

Love the progression of White Mage, since it feels like a Holy-Druid hybrid.

Still have some water and wind. I love HoTs but can still burst heal. Things like Holy and a lily theme still feels very nature-like.

Side thing, Druid is the name used by the German translation of the game for the Conjurer Class

I also don't like how WHM went all in on the Light VFX in SHB. At least let us have a balance between the Lights and the Elemental attacks (IE one is the 'filler' and one is the 'burst' you set up for). Wasn't SHB's whole story that 'Light and Dark are both equally destructive, if you have too much of one and not enough of the other to counterbalance it'? Yet we're all in on Glare and Dia now

I'd love a shapeshifting druid, I really wish we had that sort of thing in game. RPR 'shapeshifts' but only temporarily, you can't stay in that form and it's only in combat. Even though the notion is really neat.

Anyway - I may actually try healing if there was a sort of shapeshifting mechanic that actually kept you in that other form. Like druids in WoW!

Would that work both gameplay and lorewise? I don't know, and don't think so, but man do I want it.

Geomancer would probably be the closest. However not sure if they would go that route considering how much it would share with WHM and AST.

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Originally Posted by Derio

Geomancer would probably be the closest. However not sure if they would go that route considering how much it would share with WHM and AST.

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Yeah, considering the lore established that Astrolomancy is even a whole pillar of Geomancy, the only person who even knows how to do it is locked behind another job's questline, all the spells belong to a whole other class right now, the lore states that it's basically the combination of an existing class (CNJ) and an existing job (AST) right now, and most importantly it was established that no job stones for it exist at all, it would not really be feasible to introduce from a story perspective unless they had a wholly unrelated Geomancer appear out of the woodwork.

Gameplay-wise, I'm not sure how it would work since past Geomancers and even Phantom Geomancer cast spells depending on what type of terrain they're in/are standing on top of or the weather. Maybe it could do the summonable AoE thing that XI GEO had, but I'm not exactly sure how that all worked since I quit XI before that expansion and looking it up, it looks like it had a bunch of shared spells with BLM too.

Either way, unless they completely removed classes from the game in their entirety, as well as every spell WHM had before a certain point, I don't think we'll ever get a dedicated wind/earth/water job. Conjuror and the entire city built around it sit on the lore of being a wind/earth/water class and I don't see that ever changing.

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Originally Posted by VeyaAkemi

Maybe I am to D&D-brained in that sense, but when i think "Druid" I never think "healer", nature magic sure, but rather than healing, the guy that can turn into a mammoth at will and crush an enemy with a charge, or is capable of causing giant earthquakes and tsunami to engulf entire armies.

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I think your druid is kinda actively griefing the party if they don’t use healing spells when not shapeshifted.

SE made a mistake by making Geomancer a different Astrologian.

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Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard

Conjurer and White Mage would be that... But they've completely abandoned the roots of it and it's now just the Light elemental mage.

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If you want to get really technical, that's what the lore for White Mage has always been in FF14, going all the way back to the War of the Magi (mentioned all the way back in ARR and fleshed out in HW). The Amdapori White Mages were just that--mages that abused the elements in a scramble for power to stop Mhach, justifying it to themselves as necessary until they were little better than the evil they were trying to stop. Gridanian White Mages are the exception, not the rule.