The trouble with behests

I don't know how behests in 2.0 will work, but at the moment, behest difficulty is scaled by how many people join and what level they join at.

This seems like no problem...

Except that lately, every behest I try at any camp eventually has SOME level 50 show up and join, and then not even participate (and if they do participate, they one-shot all the mobs and waste all the xp), causing it to become too difficult for me on the class I intended to use during the behest.

I'm not entirely sure what can be done about it, but if anything can, it would be extremely helpful

surely you know they doing that for achievement
always late, those people

Yea. Everyone is trying to get those achievements so they're hitting all the behests. When I do it as a lower level character, most of those higher level characters let me hit it once before they waste it, thereby guaranteeing that you'll get the exp.

I've never seen anyone sit it out before.

I've had this problem before like a level 50 joining a behest at Camp Drybone. They really need to implement a sort of level cap to join these. It's a very annoying problem I don't see why it happens.

It's more or less SE fault for implementing the achievement system this late in the game, when almost all player got battle class capped
not long after they implement, influx of new player happen, then this problem happen to them

Well I'm also trying to get the achievement, but also trying to make use of the exp to be earned from it as well as behests are excellent exp. So I understand them wanting the achievement, but that doesn't mean they need to up the difficulty and not help, or waste the exp by stealing all the claims.

Any time I ran across a lower level when I was doing some of the behests at 50, I waiting for the other to claim before I killed, so the xp didn't get wasted. But even when I ask these people to let me get claim, many of them don't listen.

most of time i have seen level 50 let the lower ones claim then they kill it. Personally i do that too since going for the achievement, helping the lower levels get the exp. But tehre are some that doesn;t care and just kill it all and not let the lower players get exp. Can't do much about it, as people want finish off these achievement before 2.0.

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Originally Posted by Mintyflo

I've had this problem before like a level 50 joining a behest at Camp Drybone. They really need to implement a sort of level cap to join these. It's a very annoying problem I don't see why it happens.

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I thought about a level cap also, but that may prevent some people from getting the achievements if they make new ones for it in 2.0. But if they don't make achievements for 2.0 behests, then definitely, there should be a level cap. Otherwise I'm not sure.

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Originally Posted by KairiSgheart

most of time i have seen level 50 let the lower ones claim then they kill it. Personally i do that too since going for the achievement, helping the lower levels get the exp. But tehre are some that doesn;t care and just kill it all and not let the lower players get exp. Can't do much about it, as people want finish off these achievement before 2.0.

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Except killing the mobs before the lower levels can get claim doesn't make the next behest happen any sooner.

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Originally Posted by Mintyflo

I've had this problem before like a level 50 joining a behest at Camp Drybone. They really need to implement a sort of level cap to join these. It's a very annoying problem I don't see why it happens.

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At the moment they can't implement a level cap without restricting people from getting the achievements. If you could bring down a players level to the behest level then sure but with 2.0 around the corner that won't happen either. Most level 50's will wait for you to hit the mob first unless they are a douche.

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Originally Posted by seuki

At the moment they can't implement a level cap without restricting people from getting the achievements. If you could bring down a players level to the behest level then sure but with 2.0 around the corner that won't happen either. Most level 50's will wait for you to hit the mob first unless they are a douche.

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I've never had the pleasure of a 50 letting me claim in fact I had one chocobo in front of me just to claim the mob before I could. I guess I am slightly bitter. You can't blame me.

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Originally Posted by Mintyflo

I've never had the pleasure of a 50 letting me claim in fact I had one chocobo in front of me just to claim the mob before I could. I guess I am slightly bitter. You can't blame me.

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Yeah, that's exactly the kind of people I've had. I kept getting claim during one, and the person changed from melee to BLM just so they could oneshot stuff before I could reach it.

And the latest guy stood around and waited for me to die (because the difficulty was way too high after he joined), and then went and killed everything before I could make it back.

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Originally Posted by Punainen

Any time I ran across a lower level when I was doing some of the behests at 50, I waiting for the other to claim before I killed, so the xp didn't get wasted. But even when I ask these people to let me get claim, many of them don't listen.

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Move to a nicer server. 95% of the time I was doing them for achievements with other level 50's, them and me would always let lowbie get claim first and we didn't even have to talk, it was just understood.

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Originally Posted by Mintyflo

I've never had the pleasure of a 50 letting me claim in fact I had one chocobo in front of me just to claim the mob before I could. I guess I am slightly bitter. You can't blame me.

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It seems the people of Sargatanas aren't very nice =/

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Originally Posted by seuki

Move to a nicer server. 95% of the time I was doing them for achievements with other level 50's, them and me would always let lowbie get claim first and we didn't even have to talk, it was just understood.

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Except you can't move servers until 2.0, and then at that point EVERYONE may be moving around, so who's to say which is a nicer server at that point? :/

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Originally Posted by Punainen

Except you can't move servers until 2.0, and then at that point EVERYONE may be moving around, so who's to say which is a nicer server at that point? :/

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Guess its a gamble. But with 2.0 no one will be doing behests anyways cept the ones trying to get the 1k or so behests achievement.

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Originally Posted by seuki

It seems the people of Sargatanas aren't very nice =/

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People of Sargatanas are nice

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Originally Posted by rina_inverse

People of Sargatanas are nice

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Not the ones those two ran into haha.

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Originally Posted by seuki

Not the ones those two ran into haha.

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Its true, we've got some VERY nice people, and then some total jerks.

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Originally Posted by Punainen

Its true, we've got SOME VERY nice people, and then some total jerks.

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fix that for you

Whenever I was doing Behest for my Achievement, if somebody else was running the Behest, I'd let them get the first hit, or aggro the mobs; and then AoE the mobs before they could kill that person. Being on WHM helped with Stoneskin/Protect/Regen (it doesn't scale). This allowed them to survive and get a ton of EXP as well!

I think it's unfair to judge Sargatanas populace because of them people. There are many cruel people in the game who won't help others because they are "above" them. It's rather sick, and I like to strike that elite-ism down with a mighty force everytime I see it. I encourage others to do the same!

I'm in the middle of going for this Achievement (along with Leves everywhere, too) but I didn't realize how it affected lower-level players. Good to know.

Would it be preferable for a 50 to sit out entirely (while still part of the Behest) in order to let lower-level players kill at their own pace?

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Originally Posted by Punainen

Its true, we've got some VERY nice people, and then some total jerks.

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That's probably true on most servers. ^^;

It doesn't seem like much can be done about the situation, except to /say that you'd like the chance to claim the monster for EXP and hope they are not a jerk about it.

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Originally Posted by JusticeReborn

I'm in the middle of going for this Achievement (along with Leves everywhere, too) but I didn't realize how it affected lower-level players. Good to know.

Would it be preferable for a 50 to sit out entirely (while still part of the Behest) in order to let lower-level players kill at their own pace?

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No, because you joining makes the behest more difficult. If you should join, you should let low levels take claim, and then help kill the mob, so the low level gets the exp.

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Originally Posted by Mikita

That's probably true on most servers. ^^;

It doesn't seem like much can be done about the situation, except to /say that you'd like the chance to claim the monster for EXP and hope they are not a jerk about it.

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Yes, I tried that, but then they were still doing the same thing. :/

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Originally Posted by JusticeReborn

Would it be preferable for a 50 to sit out entirely (while still part of the Behest) in order to let lower-level players kill at their own pace?

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Communication in that particular situation is the key. Some people may just want the EXP, so as long as they have the claim they would be happy for the R50 to finish off the monster quickly... but this is akin to power leveling so people will have different opinions on it. Others may actually want to do the behest and fight it out for themselves.

No one will know unless the person says what they are trying to do, and hopefully the level capped player will respect that.

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Originally Posted by Punainen

Yes, I tried that, but then they were still doing the same thing. :/

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That's really too bad. At least you tried, and I wish you better luck next time.

Many players are eager for v2.0 to come out, but the deadline to get things done has put the community in a bit of a tight situation. These conflicting interests are an unfortunate side effect. :(

I've been doing the Behest achievements the past couple weeks...and I'm getting so sick of people because of it. I always let the lower level player get claim on mobs first before I nuke them, as well as Stoneskin/Protect them...yet there's always that one butthole who shows up and kills everything before the person without a mount can even get there.

Today, I was doing Iron Lake...and a level 42 Archer was doing them. She refused to join up with me, yet had no problem relying on me to kill them. I have no problem helping others...but I hate when my help is seen as required. I didn't even get a 'Thank You' from them.

I cannot wait to have these achievements done with.