DNC dances need to have a 25 yalm radius not 15

The title says it all. There is nothing more annoying then when DNC players need to do a ranged mechanic in high end content and standard finish and technical finish can't hit the boss. Tillana and fan dance IV also suffer from this problem.

Good examples of this are when ranged were tethered to the wall in Pt2 of M7s, standard step had to miss for 0 damage or you risked dying and wiping the party. In M6s when baiting puddles in Lava phase both standard finish and fan dance IV couldn't hit the boss because of the 15 yalm radius. DNC baiting liquid hells in ucob is trolling because of this problem and don't get me started on mirror mirror in FRU with a quick kill time on P1 because DNC is getting hit by that axe kick trying to hit the boss with tech finish, finishing move and tillana.

Please just give standard finish, technical finish, fan dance IV and tillana the same range as literally every other ranged ability.

The problem with it is less the range and more how it can be pretty hard to tell when you are out of range, especially in the heat of the moment, the difference between 15y and 15.51y can be pretty impossible to tell, I'd be happy with a function that tells me the exact distance I am from my target, in yalms.

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Originally Posted by VeyaAkemi

The problem with it is less the range and more how it can be pretty hard to tell when you are out of range, especially in the heat of the moment, the difference between 15y and 15.51y can be pretty impossible to tell, I'd be happy with a function that tells me the exact distance I am from my target, in yalms.

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great one, would love it

Not being able to tell the distance from an enemy has been one of the most stupid things about the user interface. But lacking basic UI features required for the MMO to function smoothly is quite normal in this game.

And 5000 potency on every skill and a raise. :cool:

I seem to recall that the step dances used to be 25 yalms? Wasn't there a fix to reduce them because people kept accidentally pulling adds with them or something?

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Originally Posted by Sacae

I seem to recall that the step dances used to be 25 yalms? Wasn't there a fix to reduce them because people kept accidentally pulling adds with them or something?

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It's 2026, "Accidentally pulling adds" isn't really a thing as any competent tank will Wall to Wall anyway.

And any Tank whos awake in a raid setting will have aggro of adds long before your dances go off.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Not being able to tell the distance from an enemy has been one of the most stupid things about the user interface. But lacking basic UI features required for the MMO to function smoothly is quite normal in this game.

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The UI of FFXIV in terms of what information is available is at least a decade behind other MMO's.



You can't see how much HP a boss or mob has, only percentages.

You can't see how far you are from an enemy unit.

We lack simple quality of life features like Inventory, Retainer and Saddlebag search bars.


ARR came out in 2013, we didn't get timers on party frame buffs until like 2023...

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Originally Posted by Hanzz96

The title says it all. There is nothing more annoying then when DNC players need to do a ranged mechanic in high end content and standard finish and technical finish can't hit the boss. Tillana and fan dance IV also suffer from this problem.

Good examples of this are when ranged were tethered to the wall in Pt2 of M7s, standard step had to miss for 0 damage or you risked dying and wiping the party. In M6s when baiting puddles in Lava phase both standard finish and fan dance IV couldn't hit the boss because of the 15 yalm radius. DNC baiting liquid hells in ucob is trolling because of this problem and don't get me started on mirror mirror in FRU with a quick kill time on P1 because DNC is getting hit by that axe kick trying to hit the boss with tech finish, finishing move and tillana.

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Mirror Mirror... I wiped my group a few times trying to greed to get my dances to hit.


M7S... Oh lord the tethers, if you go too far forward to hit your dances and your healers aren't watching you're dead.

It's either your dance doesn't hit or you hold it, if you hold it you mess the flow of your rotation.

Personnally I like how the things are now. It is really not a problem and is part of the charm of the job.
For M7S I just talked to my healer and we swapped place.

Also increasing the radius of the dances would make dancer extremely annoying in some content such as deep dungeon.

On the other hand, the fact that the damage repartition of the dances is proximity based (closest ennemy takes 100% damage and others take something like 50%) can be penalizing in some contents such as Quantum 40 where you are forced to attack from the front or the side otherwise your damage output is divided by 2. It would be better if the selected target takes full damage which is the case for other jobs such as Pictomancer.

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Originally Posted by NightHour

Mirror Mirror... I wiped my group a few times trying to greed to get my dances to hit.


M7S... Oh lord the tethers, if you go too far forward to hit your dances and your healers aren't watching you're dead.

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Mirror mirror is so bad with a quick kill time now its insane. Since dungeon gear, new food and new pots its pretty much required to pull with technical step to get it up ASAP otherwise you're eating that axe kick.

I just don't understand it. DNC is already a victim of the ranged tax so then putting silly limits on our range is just insane.

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Originally Posted by Moshimoshikami

Personnally I like how the things are now. It is really not a problem and is part of the charm of the job.
For M7S I just talked to my healer and we swapped place.

Also increasing the radius of the dances would make dancer extremely annoying in some content such as deep dungeon.

On the other hand, the fact that the damage repartition of the dances is proximity based (closest ennemy takes 100% damage and others take something like 50%) can be penalizing in some contents such as Quantum 40 where you are forced to attack from the front or the side otherwise your damage output is divided by 2. It would be better if the selected target takes full damage which is the case for other jobs such as Pictomancer.

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Swapping with the healer was not an option in PF and you either had the samage ghost on standard or risked it all and wiped.

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Originally Posted by Sacae

I seem to recall that the step dances used to be 25 yalms? Wasn't there a fix to reduce them because people kept accidentally pulling adds with them or something?

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I don't think so. They used to be less than 15 yalms if I remember. Pulling adds isn't a problem if your tank has a pulse anyway

It's still possible to hit and run the boss with the tether though.

I was sad when they removed the two melee AOE combos from the single target rotation, so I would appreciate that they don't simplify the job further.
Having to move closer to the boss regularly is a nice unique trait of the dancer job which other physical ranges do not have.

For my concern, it is part of what makes the dancer fun to me.

Hard pass. It'll make several fights, namely DDs, so damn exhausting. Also, skill issue.

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Originally Posted by Hanzz96

Swapping with the healer was not an option in PF and you either had the samage ghost on standard or risked it all and wiped.

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PF adapts their strats for melee, PF can adapt their strats for ranged too. I don't see an issue, require that they adapt or proceed with another party/take the risk

I'd rather not pull the entire floor with a dancer. There are times when the shorter range is a bit annoying in arena fights, but goodness do I not want to stand on the opposite end of the floor to fight things in deep dungeons just so I don't pull the whole room.

Yeah sure, after making RDM's first melee combo 25y range, let's do it for DNC too

Fucking hell.

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Originally Posted by Alicie

PF adapts their strats for melee, PF can adapt their strats for ranged too. I don't see an issue, require that they adapt or proceed with another party/take the risk

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PF adapts nothing for ranged

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Originally Posted by Hanzz96

I don't think so. They used to be less than 15 yalms if I remember. Pulling adds isn't a problem if your tank has a pulse anyway

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I mean pulling adds is a problem in BA but that's kinda a special niche case

The low range on the big DNC finishers can definitely be frustrating to deal with, I remember back in M3s having to hope that my healer partner agreed and remember to adapt for me if we got pairs instead of spreads early into the fight, because Standard Finish couldn't reach the boss otherwise due to the range.

it matters in DD, it matters in field ops, it matters in fates. Demand for better designed raids, not less designed jobs.

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Originally Posted by NightHour

We lack simple quality of life features like Inventory, Retainer and Saddlebag search bars.

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Do you mean besides the /isearch function? I mean, ya it's clunky, but it's there.

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Originally Posted by Hanzz96

PF adapts nothing for ranged

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Well then they will have to eat up the risk of ranged getting party wiped, simple as that.

Or lock it to machinist only and sit there wait for 2349805238940 hours to fill it up.

Or just get another magical ranged dps - haha no just joking, PF will never give up their 1% of damage, they will not be able to handle it.

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Originally Posted by Alicie

Well then they will have to eat up the risk of ranged getting party wiped, simple as that.

Or lock it to machinist only and sit there wait for 2349805238940 hours to fill it up.

Or just get another magical ranged dps - haha no just joking, PF will never give up their 1% of damage, they will not be able to handle it.

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Or if you did M7s you'd know that DNC still had to be tethered to the wall and just ghost steps and when they died everyone would flame the dnc

This is the current's game community in a nutshell, everybody likes pretending this is a MMO and that making it a solo experience with trusts is bad, but then they immediately whine as soon as they actually have to interact with their peers because it's a multiplayer/MMO game with a party of 4/8. Everybody in the party is seen as a potential hurdle or obstacle and having to adjust is today seen as tantamount a capital offense. You could make savage with trusts in the modern times and it would play the same.

Back in O7S that I'll take as the perfect example in my case, as a MCH you'd need ask the SCH/AST to preshield you individually before pulling because there was a 1/7 chance of the boss casting its buster laser in your face while you had to sit still using Flamethrower for opener. Back then the healer would say "okay!" and run with it and feel useful, today people would just tell you to shove your MCH where it doesn't shine and play BRD instead - or they'd just go to the forums and complain to the devs until they decide to remove the hurdle.

It was the same thing in the same fight later with adds where MCH and SMN didn't have enough filler damage output to kill their own plane, so tanks would have to step in and help once they were done with their own mechanics. Today people would just scream to the devs so that they "fix MCH and SMN damage profile so that they can deal with their adds on their own".

I don't think it's bad that DNCs need to think about their range from time to time, it's a particularity of the job. What we should have is a range indicator on point blank abilities though to not be guessing whether it's enough or not, just like we need a positional indicator when we fail them.

If anything, I miss having to run up closer during my Flourish windows for 2 GCDs like back in ShB. It also give more reason for En Avant to exists outside ‘oops I’m out of position!’, plus more buttons that may proc fan dances. This “Savage/Ultimate design >>>>>> everything else”-mentality is getting more comical by the year—both from the job devs & players alike.

The only thing I seen from this thread that I would agree to have is a better UI to tell you how many yalms you are apart from target’s hitbox.

Agreed 100% was thinking about this stone starting playing dancer again

they have a 30 meter diameter and the dancers position for anything is not at the far edges, it is a medium to close range job.

How would you avoid pulling bosses when doing tech opener though? Most boss arenas don't have enough room for 25y standard.

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

If anything, I miss having to run up closer during my Flourish windows for 2 GCDs like back in ShB. It also give more reason for En Avant to exists outside ‘oops I’m out of position!’, plus more buttons that may proc fan dances. This “Savage/Ultimate design >>>>>> everything else”-mentality is getting more comical by the year—both from the job devs & players alike.

The only thing I seen from this thread that I would agree to have is a better UI to tell you how many yalms you are apart from target’s hitbox.

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It wouldn't even necessarily need a UI change, just some kind of particle effect around the Finish's max range while you're dancing.

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Originally Posted by Aco505

I don't think it's bad that DNCs need to think about their range from time to time, it's a particularity of the job. What we should have is a range indicator on point blank abilities though to not be guessing whether it's enough or not, just like we need a positional indicator when we fail them.

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If anything the sole reason DNC has actual dashes is precisely because of range considerations, else it would be like a melee without gap closers. This has been made a lot less relevant already when the AoE moves were removed from the single target burst.
Not to say that dashes aren't cool and core identity of a dancing job, but the gameplay changes have been literally chipping away at this since EW.