I hadn’t played since Endwalker

I leveled Viper to 90 (thoroughly had a blast, I’m a dual wielding swords lover) and then started the Dawntrail MSQ.

I cancelled my subscription after Wuk Lamat showed me where to get tacos. So ridiculous. She herself is an extremely annoying character. And why does the music in her hometown sound like the music that plays when a race ends on Mario Kart 64?

The whole thing just didn’t make a good first impression and I’m extremely disappointed. Shadowbringers was peak FFXIV for me.

I’m afraid years from now I’ll be one of those old men that reminisces about the good old days on my porch from my rocking chair while throwing stones at the dumb kids playing Final Fantasy MXIV on their PlayStation Holodeck chip implanted in their skulls who are doing hot dog eating contests in Newer Gridania.

Back to WoW Housing I go.

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Originally Posted by Awarewolf

I cancelled my subscription after Wuk Lamat showed me where to get tacos. So ridiculous.

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But... don't you guys have phones like tacos?

Also... so much this here.

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For me, it's because I can't come to terms with "cyberpunk FF9". The constant exposure to this, even in the patches, just makes me feel sick. If I want Star Wars or Star Trek, I'll play those MMORPGs, because they actually do it well. I'm playing this for fantasy. Castles, knights, magic, not... electrified, technology-lit, yet supposedly fantasy buildings.

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Tacos is meant to be a reference to FF11, the other Final Fantasy MMO, I believe, which apparently also had tacos. As you will know by now, they frequently reference prior final fantasy games, all of the time, and that was one of the references.

In general, the developers are not afraid to stereotype each culture, including their own. Kugane, for example, heavily stereotypes Japan filling it with Samurai, stereotypical Japanese music, rice and even taking the Ninja quests there. It's only fair that they also stereotype America and given America never stops talking about tacos, it only makes sense for that to get stereotyped.

Mostly, the city state music in all the cities isn't good. I preferred the original Radz-at-Han music rather than what we get after the Endwalker MSQ is over.

Anyway, I think everyone wants to forget Dawntrail MSQ. Everyone has a different reason for that. For me, it's because I can't come to terms with "cyberpunk FF9". The constant exposure to this, even in the patches, just makes me feel sick. If I want Star Wars or Star Trek, I'll play those MMORPGs, because they actually do it well. I'm playing this for fantasy. Castles, knights, magic, not... electrified, technology-lit, yet supposedly fantasy buildings.

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Back to WoW Housing I go.

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You had me until this. Do they at least pay you guys for these posts?

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Tacos is meant to be a reference to FF11, the other Final Fantasy MMO, I believe, which apparently also had tacos. As you will know by now, they frequently reference prior final fantasy games, all of the time, and that was one of the references.

In general, the developers are not afraid to stereotype each culture, including their own. Kugane, for example, heavily stereotypes Japan filling it with Samurai, stereotypical Japanese music, rice and even taking the Ninja quests there. It's only fair that they also stereotype America and given America never stops talking about tacos, it only makes sense for that to get stereotyped.

Mostly, the city state music in all the cities isn't good. I preferred the original Radz-at-Han music rather than what we get after the Endwalker MSQ is over.

Anyway, I think everyone wants to forget Dawntrail MSQ. Everyone has a different reason for that. For me, it's because I can't come to terms with "cyberpunk FF9". The constant exposure to this, even in the patches, just makes me feel sick. If I want Star Wars or Star Trek, I'll play those MMORPGs, because they actually do it well. I'm playing this for fantasy. Castles, knights, magic, not... electrified, technology-lit, yet supposedly fantasy buildings.

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This is a classic example of trying to please everyone and ending up pleasing no one. Like ancient culture? Let’s throw the Incas in there. Like cyberpunk? Let’s also throw that in there. Like easy stuff? Let’s make the game as easy as a visual novel. Like hard stuff? Let’s drop you off a cliff after never encouraging you to play the game.

They just throw everything there and it doesn’t work well together.

This reminds of me when Nicolas Cage literally picked up every movie that was thrown his way and became a joke. Basically, it ruined his career. This game is following the same trajectory.

Who knew this game and Nicolas cage could be associated by the way. Lmao.

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Yep. As bad as DT's writing was, it's not like it's Wuk Lamat that kept the gameplay and progression the exact same for the last 6 years.

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Yep. As bad as DT's writing was, it's not like it's Wuk Lamat that kept the gameplay and progression the exact same for the last 6 years.

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To be honest I was thinking that if SE would have gone All-in with wuk lamat being awful and stupid, turned that up to 11, she would have been more of a joke instead of being hated.

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You had me until this. Do they at least pay you guys for these posts?

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What you’re implying here is not true. I hate what WoW has become. I have only been playing it because the housing system is truly a masterpiece so far. It brought back some of my friends and we made a neighborhood together. We are running content to get furniture pieces and it’s been great reconnecting with them.

My main MMO lately is LotRO, despite the lag. I enjoy losing myself in an actual fantasy world without cars, flying mounts, and power ranger space suits.

Shadowbringers was such a climax for all my MMO gaming over the last 26 years.

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This does not apply to me. I didn’t realize this notion existed before I experienced it. And not all of WoW is better, only the housing system.

That's a shame Awarewolf, your character is very cute. I doubt an Orc or whatever the new race is in WoW can compare to a the attractiveness of a midlander.

I will say the story of FFXIV constantly ebbs and flows. It's not always peak, and that's too bad, but it would be very rare for anyone to keep writing banger after banger. I think there have been signs that it will improve.

In my opinion, even though Dawntrail wasn't their best showing it's still way better than whatever is going on in WoW storywise.

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I'm playing this for fantasy. Castles, knights, magic, not... electrified, technology-lit, yet supposedly fantasy buildings.

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Allagan was supposedly fantasy but high-tech. Nothing about Sol9 was aimed to be "fantasy." Not understanding the logic here.

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Allagan was supposedly fantasy but high-tech. Nothing about Sol9 was aimed to be "fantasy." Not understanding the logic here.

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Heritage Found is a fantasy location, if you explore it enough. It's actually a lot of Alexandria from FF9, a true fantasy game. But it's so coated in technology and lightning and electrope that this is irrelevant.

Alexandria (the dungeon) starts out looking like fantasy from FF9 but then you are entering boss arenas filled with technology and locations filled with electrope.

The Underkeep is part of Solution Nine. Did you know that it's meant to be a castle? It is possible to completely forget this due to all the technology and robots.

The Meso Terminal is more of the same. It has some elements of FF9's fantasy with castles and brick buildings but very quickly descends into electrope and technology and robots.

It just doesn't stop and they doubled downed on it every patch so far.

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It just doesn't stop and they doubled downed on it every patch so far.

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As i've clearly stated, they never aimed for the future of that place to be "fantasy."

And on the other hand, you completely ignore all of Allagan. Which was aimed to be futuristic fantasy.

That's just a double standard.

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As i've clearly stated, they never aimed for the future of that place to be "fantasy."

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It does not matter. I am saying I like castles, knights, etc. I am saying that the electrope stuff ruined that for me, and continues to. It doesn't matter what their aim was; it matters how it affected me.

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And on the other hand, you completely ignore all of Allagan. Which was aimed to be futuristic fantasy.

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No, I do not. Allagan stuff is fine. The difference between the Allagan technology and Cyberpunk technology is that Cyberpunk overdoes it to the point of making me physically sick at the sheer amount of technology I am seeing.

Solution Nine and its technology is heavily inspired by Cyberpunk (they admitted at the Fan Fest that revealed it). I do not like even the screenshots I have seen of Cyberpunk, and would never buy that game, ever.

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This does not apply to me. I didn’t realize this notion existed before I experienced it. And not all of WoW is better, only the housing system.

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I dunno, would saying that class design, playstyle variety, instance/encounter design, open world design, casual content, and PvP are also better make me a Blizzard apologist?

This community is always funny. At once they hate this game but when someone openly attacks it, all enter in white knight mode.