I Completed My Phantom Relic, But...

My RPR relic is done. I did my Aetherwall to 10,000 across the board, my balls are now full.

Except now I have to farm 1,500 tomes per weapon.

This is ridiculous, it should have been gil or a substantially lesser amount of tomes.

There's too many weapons in the game. Even more than Endwalker, and I farmed every single stage of those bloody Manderville weapons.

For me to have put this much time and effort into getting the weapons, they should be more accessible.

REQUEST: I'm asking that you reduce the amount of tomes that are needed per stage. You can always adjust this in a subsequent patch.

I'm hopeful that you make this change.

You earn enough tomestones grinding the aetherwells to reach the cap several times over. The currency is really fast to earn and, on top of that, there is little meaningful use for them, given the Quetzali armor is obsolete and the materials can be bought off at the MB.

It's as accesible as it gets.

You don't need every single one of them in a few weeks. Just set aside tomes as a long-term goal.

All the other weapons being tomes is already essentially a handout, even compared to the now-ez HW relics for 16000 poetics and extra steps.

These forums are making a habit out of complaining that content that is meant to be grindy is every so slightly grindy...

The relic weapons are meant to be a grind. I would be more concerned if you already had them all. What’s the rush?

Honestly, I just finished my aether grind and bought my 1st PH weapon, and I already had the extra 400 from my rous just doing a few of them today. It's fairly fast and simple for a new relic step, and I am going to farm for all my most played alt jobs it should only take a few days, each even coming from EW, relics which were the few I did on launch.

I just finished my last manderville weapon while working on my aetherballs.

I think they should make Demiatmas drop again so we can trade them in again as an alternative to tomes :P

lol "grind". The 1,500 tome relics are the easiest relics available. Every other relics step took multiple times as long.
Just do your casual daylie rous and be done with all weapons in a few weeks. Throw in some s ranks and a-trains, if you want to complete them even faster

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Originally Posted by Veritas-Ancora

Despite the game burning all around us, I'm still enjoying the relic.

I don't feel rushed, I feel the expectations are manageable, I'm playing roulette content I haven't seen in years, everything has been going well.

I'm hopeful that more relic steps are like this. It's not punishing but it does take a lot of work to get there.

Cheers to the developers for this step.

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You said you don't feel rushed so what's the issue then? The time it takes? I mean it's relic you just grind tomes no different then EW kinda contradicts what you said in a previous post.

500 tomes, 1500 tomes, 2000 tomes, 3000 tomes, 6000 tomes..

It honestly really doesn't matter, as IMO the tomes are the problem, it's not asking you to do anything that you've not already been doing in spades.

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Originally Posted by Veritas-Ancora

My RPR relic is done. I did my Aetherwall to 10,000 across the board, my balls are now full.

Except now I have to farm 1,500 tomes per weapon.

This is ridiculous, it should have been gil or a substantially lesser amount of tomes.

There's too many weapons in the game. Even more than Endwalker, and I farmed every single stage of those bloody Manderville weapons.

For me to have put this much time and effort into getting the weapons, they should be more accessible.

REQUEST: I'm asking that you reduce the amount of tomes that are needed per stage. You can always adjust this in a subsequent patch.

I'm hopeful that you make this change.

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Guys like you are the reason we can't have anything mmo in this mmo. This discourse is what lead to this "nothing to do problem". I'm not a fan of the tome grind, for each step, I'm more an Eureka weapon guy, but man we don't need ease getting the relics even more.

You want tome weapons, go buy tome weapons. Even if this steps fails to motivate me to progress, I'll still take that over what we had in EW. At least you see yourself progress with every roulette you do, which is far better than the atma rng mechanic. And now you want to make it even EASIER to get a relic.

You're hopeful that they'll make this change? Don't bring your hopes up about the reduced tome changes. I don't even bring my hopes up for anything with the "I hope" or "i hope so" in this game. They always turn out a disappointment or never happens XD but hey, one can dream lol

Nah, this will change, in 8.0 it will change to Poetics, still 1500, but there is nothing worthwhile to buy with Poetics anyhow, other than gear for the jobs you are still leveling.

Single grindy step followed by tome dump is honestly a decent way to do relics at this point, I'm fine with it, its only really a grind if you are going for all of them.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie-Veil

The relic weapons are meant to be a grind. I would be more concerned if you already had them all. What’s the rush?

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I haven't even done mine yet, I have like 4 of the materials but lol, I've been spending my time doing FATEs to make money off of the ones who buy from the Marketboard. Relic isn't going to run away. I'm still gathering the dumb manderville ones as we speak cause I often forget that I'm tome capped.

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Originally Posted by Veritas-Ancora

My RPR relic is done. I did my Aetherwall to 10,000 across the board, my balls are now full.

Except now I have to farm 1,500 tomes per weapon.

This is ridiculous, it should have been gil or a substantially lesser amount of tomes.

There's too many weapons in the game. Even more than Endwalker, and I farmed every single stage of those bloody Manderville weapons.

For me to have put this much time and effort into getting the weapons, they should be more accessible.

REQUEST: I'm asking that you reduce the amount of tomes that are needed per stage. You can always adjust this in a subsequent patch.

I'm hopeful that you make this change.

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But this thread was from you like 3 days ago:

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...the-Relic-Step

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Originally Posted by Veritas-Ancora

Despite the game burning all around us, I'm still enjoying the relic.

I don't feel rushed, I feel the expectations are manageable, I'm playing roulette content I haven't seen in years, everything has been going well.

I'm hopeful that more relic steps are like this. It's not punishing but it does take a lot of work to get there.

Cheers to the developers for this step.

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Pick a lane.

When DT becomes old content, those weapons will require Poetics instead. And if 1500 Poetics is too much for you, then I'm beginning to wonder if you even play the game at this point.

I'll just respond to this one given it's at the top of General Discussion - Reading through this thread and several others on the front page, I understand why 2 large communities I've been in have announced they were quitting / leaving / disbanding after several years playing the game citing it was hard to log in and playing FFXIV was the only time they felt depressed. Honestly I feel the same way and am just powering through the last few Ultimates I have left to check off without even farming them as closure. The remaining community is so hell bent on telling people to stop complaining or leave whenever we have legitimate gripes that it's hard to remain invested in a game we've played for years.

I still stand by what I believe is the biggest problem even if it is a major contributing factor (The lack of content and being made to repeat old content we've done a thousand times before is no longer fun, and the lack of anything innovating other than FATE chasing 2.0 or 3.0 to supplement the grind as well as some extremely awkward systems and questionable boss / dungeon design choices have yada yada everything has complained about). It's in fact the community, how obnoxiously fast and aggressively they are to cast out their own and label them when they're no longer enjoying the game or have some gripes about the direction of the game, how fast people are to dogpile on the guy who has criticisms of the endgame gameplay loop. I won't get into how fast people are to dogpile onto people who have beliefs and political leanings that aren't extreme left and fail the purity test and how the dev team has encouraged this behaviour but that's another can of worms that contributes to it. The FFXIV community is an extremely insincere, cult-like group that instead of encouraging discussion or acknowledging that things could be better, or the fact that better already exists out there, immediately resorts to raising pitchforks and witch-hunting people.

My sentiments from the last year or so has been pretty much the same as - FFXIV is an incredibly depressing game to log into; Anyone I enjoyed talking to is "On a break" or no longer plays the game. A lot of people remaining playing the game feels like walking on eggshells to not upset, so you never really get to have fun playing with them and bantering with them. I ultimately agree with the reasoning of the OP; If you're going to respect people's time and add a tomestone step identical in price to EW's relic weapons AFTER a large grindfest to unlock it, at least reduce the price of each weapon so it doesn't feel like the dev team is completely out of touch with the playerbase. The fact OC offers nothing feasible for the second step and is completely omitted is already extremely telling.

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Originally Posted by Cidel

But this thread was from you like 3 days ago:

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...the-Relic-Step


Pick a lane.

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Someone is allowed to change their mind when they reach a point in the grind that does not feel well tuned. They don't have to pick a single lane; just because they were content with the first step doesn't mean they have to be content with the second.

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Originally Posted by Yoshihara

Someone is allowed to change their mind when they reach a point in the grind that does not feel well tuned. They don't have to pick a single lane; just because they were content with the first step doesn't mean they have to be content with the second.

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There's hardly anything different about what's being asked of the player. In fact, this is even easier than filling the aetherwells. That's the issue.

OP literally just said they don't feel rushed in this step; the expectations were manageable, and is doing roulette content that haven't been seen/done in years. So it hardly makes any sense that when it's suddenly now collecting 1,500 Heliometry tomestones per weapon (just like the last step, mind you, nothing new there) instead of filling another aetherwell, it's "ridiculous."

What makes collecting 1,500 Helimetry tomestones (off of different roulettes, which was part of the step the OP just praised?) so different from reaching 9999 four times in an aetherwell off of 4 specific roulettes? You essentially can accomplish the same thing from the same roulettes, if not more; Heliometry tomestones are rewarded from nearly every roulette.

Nobody is rushing anybody to collect all of the relic weapons from this step. Collecting these particular tomestones is managable (doing all the available roulettes in a day will get you almost halfway to 1,500), and you can still do the roulette content you enjoyed and more from the aetherwell portion. Almost literally nothing has changed.

If the argument was about it being yet another tomestone hand-out step, yeah, there's a point to be made there, but it's not. OP just wants it down to 500 tomestones, which is basically a free relic weapon per day. It's nothing about how "well-tuned" this step is. There's nothing legitimate about that gripe.

You absolutely can change your mind about things, but it's actually quite hilarious to do so within the span of a few days after singing of its praises repeatedly and over something so trivial and similar to what you were already doing.

crying about the x1500 tomes step is hilarious

This isn't even a grind lmfao, u can finish them all in 2ish days just hitting hunt trains, cope harder.

So, should they design relics with players going for 20+ weapons in mind? Yeah… probably not happening. That would completely dumb down the process of acquiring new relics. It's already tedious enough at the present.

The time it takes to earn 1500 Tomestones only feels long to me because I've been doing this grind since 7.0. That patch had no relics, but it's what happens when we're farming capped Tomestones for gear anyway. The process is the same throughout the entire expansion: dungeons with 6 mob packs, and fixed rotations on three 2-minute bosses. Supposedly jobs are being simplified because of harder content, which makes the easy content end up feeling really bland. No variation, the content has no life.

It's to keep you subbed, friendo.

They should bring back the back the books from the ARR relics, where you needed to complete 9 books that required you to hunt various enemies and complete some dungeons, FATES, and leves. Oh, and charge you 1500 tomestones for each book.

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Originally Posted by Espon

They should bring back the back the books from the ARR relics, where you needed to complete 9 books that required you to hunt various enemies and complete some dungeons, FATES, and leves. Oh, and charge you 1500 tomestones for each book.

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Don't forget the fact you could only complete a single book PER WEEK

I do think they should reward you with a free relic on whichever job you select. Just make it a separate quest exclusively for that purpose because it does feel kind of bad you do this massive grind for essentially the privilege of buying your reward.

Otherwise, getting the tomes is not that big a deal. Doing almost entirely roulettes and maybe four hunt trains, I already have five. And that's with me skipping some roulettes like leveling, MSQ and High Level.

I'm still baffled like how is 1.5k helios a massive grind when everything gives them and there's nothing to buy except crafting mats, which tanked a few days ago. Also to avoid over-capping them during the aether farm, I'd trade in a portion for said mats to sell, and I had always over 1.5k of them.

Finally, I'm able to gather 1 new PH wep in 3-4 days, which is much faster than anything else for a decent weapon it's great if you don't do high-end content.

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Originally Posted by CCheshire

it's great if you don't do high-end content.

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Honestly if you still trying to clear M8S for some reason, the weapon might be better than Aug. Historia even for that, it depends on the weapon of course, but since the relic provides two full substats plus two Materia slots, it can be a strict upgrade, DNC for example, has the same substats on the Umbrae and on the Aug. Historia, which makes Umbrae strictly better by simply giving more of those substats.

Looks this step just helped me make a lot of gil by having me do my dailies daily and at times 3 times of each for more light

It's really not that difficult to get these weapons during the tome phase. These weapons I'd say are more accessible than most (outside of EW's relics) If you consistently do hunt trains, you could get *atleast* two weapons a day. However, relics are never set up to get them all in a couple of weeks for the average player, a long time goal for some people with different play styles. Just keep playing the game, keep doing your roulettes, and you'll get your weapons eventually.