Tome Gear needs to change

First off Why does the Tank and DPS share the same Looking gear? MAKES ZERO SENSE...
Let the tanks look like tanks and dps look like dps..

2nd They should change the way we upgrade our tome gear.. Lets get do outside activities in order to collect the items we need to upgrade. Maybe through Fates and questing. This would bring some life into the Open world....

3rd, I feel like once we upgrade our tome gear they should become Purple instead of staying Blue... I know its minor but getting all purples in the slots, you'll get that feeling that you actually progressing your Character... Is this to much to ask for?

Purple is only for relic weapons, which remain (mostly) difficult to get even after current expansion unlike augmented tome gear. Plus if they made tome gear purple, they'd also have to make raid gear purple since it's equal in item level and harder to get. If everything is purple, then purple no longer means much.

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Originally Posted by Underscore

Purple is only for relic weapons, which remain (mostly) difficult to get even after current expansion unlike augmented tome gear. Plus if they made tome gear purple, they'd also have to make raid gear purple since it's equal in item level and harder to get. If everything is purple, then purple no longer means much.

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Raid gear and Tome gear should be purples.

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Originally Posted by Miguel85NYC

Raid gear and Tome gear should be purples.

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If you want purple gear then go play wow.

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Originally Posted by Miguel85NYC

Raid gear and Tome gear should be purples.

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Relic weapons should stay uniquely purple as it denotes a special kind of weapon.

An argument could be made for Savage raid weapons and Ultimate Weapons, but they should then have their own unique colours.

Also, only Fending and Maiming gear look similar, Striking and Scouting are different to Fending.

There are other colours available besides purple.

In this game currently, lack of gear blocks you from content. In a game where I and pretty much everyone I knew has left the game, and so will never come back as regular subscriber because the social network we non-skipper casuals spent YEARS of catching up 5 expansions, getting to know, has left, because they were sooo bored with nothing to do but get poorer via their sub this game cannot afford to further block progressing through content behind content that is not part of that difficulty progression.

You can't have increased rarity gear that doesn't provide stats. You can't have stats on gear without it now becoming part of the difficulty progression.

• Dungeons and trials should gear for Normal raids. - no gating
• Normal raids should gear for extremes and savage. - no gating
• Savage should gear for Ultimates and NOW you can gate if you want

If you want people to rerun content give them cool rewards that don't hate content.
Eg you know a mount for normal raids should not be out of the question.
Maybe someone doing savage should NOT expect to have enough time to grind the normal mount until it becomes boosted at old expansion.

Outerworld zones currently offer rewards.
They are just not fun.
You also can't organise except his f discords.
There needs to be a way in game if knowing if a big boss is coming, like for odin. It can't always be weather based off course.

tome gear should just be uncapped IDK why they thought it was a good idea to cap it at 450 a week if people want to no life you game let them,

and tbh you should be able to buy the upgrades to tome gear with tomes make it a sink for tomes.

the tokens from alliance should be to upgrade not only the alliance gear but the raid gear to be up to not only tome gear but savage raid gear there should be multiple ways to get max Ilv and more debate on what is BiS instead of savage gear and upgraded tome gear.

deep dungeon variant dungeon should also offer BiS gear make it happen let people play your game Square.

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Originally Posted by Kahnha

tome gear should just be uncapped IDK why they thought it was a good idea to cap it at 450 a week if people want to no life you game let them,

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I can accept them capped for some endgame reasons in patches when its new and savage is new but in .1, .3, .5 they should be uncapped. In a game with a idea of all jobs on one character it's pretty hard to play all jobs when you can't have high enough gear and people put a ilvl limit for farming old content high enough that you either join in as your savage job (provided you raid) or whoever you focused on with tomes gear

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Originally Posted by Kahnha

the tokens from alliance should be to upgrade not only the alliance gear but the raid gear to be up to not only tome gear but savage raid gear there should be multiple ways to get max Ilv and more debate on what is BiS instead of savage gear and upgraded tome gear.

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tbf that would be cool but i can already sense some savage raiders being upset a person who just happen to play on a job where only tomes + alliance raid can get a bis (bonus points if it's that rare case where tomes weapon is better than raid, i think that was the case for back in eden raids for some healer)

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Originally Posted by Miguel85NYC

First off Why does the Tank and DPS share the same Looking gear? MAKES ZERO SENSE...

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They don't. It's specifically tanks and melee DPS that tend to look similar. Because both are in melee range. Non-tanks tend to have a few less features at least, or a weaker and more agile material or a less bulky material despite the similar look.

The rest are ranged or very agile like Ninja and Viper so they let them dress more casually.

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2nd They should change the way we upgrade our tome gear.. Lets get do outside activities in order to collect the items we need to upgrade. Maybe through Fates and questing. This would bring some life into the Open world....

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This is already the case. In the odd-numbered patches (7.1, 7.3, 7.5) we can go and fight hunts in the open world, then spend the dropped currency on tomestone augments. This is a very popular activity, and in every expansion people have used it to augment their tomestone gear - especially non-raiders and people that want to augment alt jobs.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

They don't. It's specifically tanks and melee DPS that tend to look similar. Because both are in melee range. Non-tanks tend to have a few less features at least, or a weaker and more agile material or a less bulky material despite the similar look.

The rest are ranged or very agile like Ninja and Viper so they let them dress more casually.
This is already the case. In the odd-numbered patches (7.1, 7.3, 7.5) we can go and fight hunts in the open world, then spend the dropped currency on tomestone augments. This is a very popular activity, and in every expansion people have used it to augment their tomestone gear - especially non-raiders and people that want to augment alt jobs.

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Nah he is actually right, Maiming and Fending (Dragoon, Reaper and Tanks look 99% of the time 1-1 the same besides the color)

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Originally Posted by AvoSturmfaust

Nah he is actually right, Maiming and Fending (Dragoon, Reaper and Tanks look 99% of the time 1-1 the same besides the color)

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One thing I remember from ARR is that tanks and DRG used to share gear. They were happy to give that "spiked" look to both of them. I can't complain about it, personally, because it means I can use the look I like on one, on the other as well.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

One thing I remember from ARR is that tanks and DRG used to share gear. They were happy to give that "spiked" look to both of them. I can't complain about it, personally, because it means I can use the look I like on one, on the other as well.

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I'm kind of glad that gear is separated when it comes to names like "fending, healing, casting"

Since it makes it a a bit easier for it to go to the job that obviously needs it and it kind of prevents people from fighting over gear.

I mostly tank so in alliance raids it's a bit easier since I'm technically competing over 2 other tanks. While a healer has to compete with 5, while a dps unfortunately has compete with 14.

Personally I prefer it much better than wow where you can lose a upgrade to a bear tank as a rogue simply because you both wear leather.

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Originally Posted by virianna

I can accept them capped for some endgame reasons in patches when its new and savage is new....

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Why? I mean seriously why?

New content comes out but people cant play it ASAP because of gear. Why?

To me what it looks like is, the only reason is LITERALLY TO keep certain players out for a while. Or to flog bloody crafted gear. And as people already know. I'm not interested in crafting, and I'm not interested any of the gil farming methods, not a one of them is both convenient and fun.

Well... Ok then.
Bye I guess.
I'm on my third and probably final unsub. Only being here courtesy of free login.

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Originally Posted by Gurgeh

Why? I mean seriously why?

New content comes out but people cant play it ASAP because of gear. Why?

To me what it looks like is, the only reason is LITERALLY TO keep certain players out for a while. Or to flog bloody crafted gear. And as people already know. I'm not interested in crafting, and I'm not interested any of the gil farming methods, not a one of them is both convenient and fun.

Well... Ok then.
Bye I guess.
I'm on my third and probably final unsub. Only being here courtesy of free login.

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That is straight up wrong and at this point you should really think about it if you ever played the game.

The Requirement for new Stuff is ALWAYS under BiS Itemlevel, the only expection is Ultimate otherwise its always under the BiS you can literally with crafted Gear clear all the Content until next crafted Gear is there

I am saying this for years now: Tomestone gear should be nerfed. The tomestone gear is simply too strong and too easy to get. It makes basically all other content, except savage, dead on arrival. No wonder casuals have no content when there is not even an alternative to "do expert roulette 5 times a week".

FF14 doesn't necessarily need more content, they need to use their content better. And the first step would be to get rid of the overpowered tome gear. Tomestone gear should be the base line, on the level of crafted gear, not the end goal.

Listen, they need you to stay on that treadmill doing daily grinds so new players think that we are doing lvl 30 content with a lesser kit because we want to.

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Originally Posted by Gurgeh

Why? I mean seriously why?

New content comes out but people cant play it ASAP because of gear. Why?

To me what it looks like is, the only reason is LITERALLY TO keep certain players out for a while. Or to flog bloody crafted gear. And as people already know. I'm not interested in crafting, and I'm not interested any of the gil farming methods, not a one of them is both convenient and fun.

Well... Ok then.
Bye I guess.
I'm on my third and probably final unsub. Only being here courtesy of free login.

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what content are you being kept from? I am seriously asking because the only instance where bis is needed are literally ultimates which is something you’re likely not doing, and it is something that so far is happening like twice in an expansion lifespan. Even Chaotic wasn’t requiring bis. You’re not required to buy a crafted set either to join savage for as long as you have upgraded tomstone gear from last patch.

But why? exactly for the things you’re claiming right now. You would be artificially kept away from farming content because pf would require full tomstone gear. Because savage would be trivialized (it is up 2 weeks after major patch mind you - enough time to grind up tomstones gear if it was uncapped) or if SE actually thought it would be even harder so there would be people complaining savage is either too hard or has too high requirements for these who don’t have time to grind (and trust me not everyone who raids has a 9-17 job that gives them time to grind even if they have 2 weeks for it).

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Originally Posted by Miguel85NYC

3rd, I feel like once we upgrade our tome gear they should become Purple instead of staying Blue... I know its minor but getting all purples in the slots, you'll get that feeling that you actually progressing your Character... Is this to much to ask for?

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As others stated, purple in FF14 is for relics. You can just look at your average iLevel to get a sense of progression.

If you really want a color then go with something other than purple. Maybe orange like the color for exotic gear in Guild Wars 2 or even bring back the pink color from ARR days.

Here's my suggestion: Instead of changing the color of anything, we start introducing the concept of Relic Armor, not just weapons.

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Originally Posted by VeyaAkemi

Here's my suggestion: Instead of changing the color of anything, we start introducing the concept of Relic Armor, not just weapons.

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You realize that they're not going to give us all the pieces at once right? Meaning that if you want Relic armor you would have to work on each piece individually.

No one's going to do that.

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Originally Posted by Grimforth

You realize that they're not going to give us all the pieces at once right? Meaning that if you want Relic armor you would have to work on each piece individually.

No one's going to do that.

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I would, and maybe it will shut up a few of the "there's nothing to do" crowd.

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Originally Posted by Grimforth

You realize that they're not going to give us all the pieces at once right? Meaning that if you want Relic armor you would have to work on each piece individually.

No one's going to do that.

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Idk that sounds like a skill issue.

If it looked cool and had good stats, I'd definitely go to the trouble of getting relic armor, for what it's worth.

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Originally Posted by Grimforth

You realize that they're not going to give us all the pieces at once right? Meaning that if you want Relic armor you would have to work on each piece individually.

No one's going to do that.

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I would, having control over the exact stats I have on my gear would be nice. I know it's the popular thing to say that substats don't matter most of the time, but I enjoy number crunching.

Also, if no one does it, it becomes a status symbol. Like Necromancer, Legends or hunt related titles.

While I was mostly joking on the skill issue post, I am completely serious about the idea of Relic armor, even if they made me work for each piece, a huge thing for me is that I want goals to work on, it can be hard, it can have low drop rates, it can have its sweet time getting there, but I want things, like I am one of the people who loves OC, you know why I am not there every day anymore? because I feel I did everything there is to do there other than sit around doing pots all day for the achievement, I am on my 4th set of +1 armor just so I can spend all the gold and silver I am getting on something, and I want more things to work on, so a form of relic armor would give me that further goal, I don't even necessarily mean in OC that was just an example, but a goal anyway.