Biggest problem with the current Alliance Raid

I'm really enjoying the current Alliance Raid, but there's one thing that keeps bugging me, and it's a problem I've seen in other raids and dungeons too.

During the airship section, the transition from one ship to another makes no sense. The physics are completely out the window. Do we suddenly get a limited form of flight? How do we jump off one airship and perfectly curve through the air to land on another?

This isn't the first time we've suddenly gained superpowers. We used to just fall from crazy heights into water, but now there are plenty of dungeons where we fall from a height that should, at the very least, break our knees or reduce our HP, and we're totally fine.

I'm all for dynamic transitions, and I get that it's a fantasy game, but let's not stretch our suspension of disbelief for no reason. Why not give us a little glider for the airship part? Or add an updraft, a pool of water, or even a trampoline to cushion our falls in dungeons? I mean, we spent a whole expansion learning to breathe underwater in Stormblood, so the least they could do is give us a little trampoline.

That's an interesting "Biggest problem", the "explanation" we're giving is jumping into air currents and riding them to the next airship. Except for the one mid-fight where we fairly logically abandon ship and conveniently have another ready to land on.

Electrope did it, unless it didn't, in which case it was dynamis.

The alliance raid just feels like FFXI as directed by Micheal Bay. Just treat it as an action movie showing off how the average person on Vana'Diel thinking that is how The Adventurer stopped Juno's archdukes plans. Of course he can jump out of airships and survive, he bested the shadow dragon and defeated the shadow lord!

My problem with it, I cant take it seriously. Its the same lame "AI guys its AI our theme is AI" from MSQ where they try to make you care for a bunch of revitalized memories and not actual characters.
Probably having to admit that FFXI is another shard so its kept really vague.

FFXI has a goddess, this game is allergic to any deities, everything had to be Ascians.

Fights are cool though. Story is irrelevant

Is that the biggest problem to you? :T

To me is the storyline.

It feels like I'm watching a movie divided by 2 commercials (even patches), because the part 1 and 2 storyline doesn't really have any big moments. Pretty much like Endwalker's too.

Also, bothers me that the raids themselves are really just something "extra" to serve as background. What is the purpose of those raids? AFAIK the only relevant event that happened going into those fights was getting Prishe. The Shadow Lord, or the last boss from the 2nd installment could be literally anything from FFXI and would make no difference. Prishe aside, if you skipped those raid encounters, it wouldn't change a lot because the important events of the plot are all resolved in cutscenes outside of the raid.

I don't remember it being this way for Shadows of Mhach, Ivalice or even Nier - all of the raids there had a pretty definite purpose, even when the last boss felt like filler. It always ended on a high note.

It's a video game. And I mean that in the meta sense, I'm pretty sure what's happening in the raids is an electrope video game that Sareel Ja either found or created (most likely found) and then turned the safeties off to make it a SAO you-die-in-real-life thing. The physics aren't gonna make sense

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Originally Posted by Alice_Rivers

That's an interesting "Biggest problem", the "explanation" we're giving is jumping into air currents and riding them to the next airship. Except for the one mid-fight where we fairly logically abandon ship and conveniently have another ready to land on.

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Okay but like birds can ride air currents. Not people. No matter how much you wave your hands around, you will just fall straight down.

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Originally Posted by Wasselin

I'm all for dynamic transitions, and I get that it's a fantasy game, but let's not stretch our suspension of disbelief for no reason.

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My friend on Etheirys, have you stopped to contemplate why boss arenas are perfect squares and circles, surrounded by death walls?

Very true. It's criminal they include such spectacle.

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Originally Posted by Wasselin

Okay but like birds can ride air currents. Not people. No matter how much you wave your hands around, you will just fall straight down.

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nah the moment everything had flight mount wise, all lore logic went out the window in this game.

Really, I think the biggest problem is the sleeves on Prishe's armor are the wrong shade of purple.

Not really a problem, since this has been in many duties before - giant leaps, teleport, realms shift etc.

My huge problem with Alliance Raids for some time now (EW) included, is complete lack of alliance mechanics. Out of 12 (?) boss encounters in both DT alliance raids, I can only remember one alliance mechanic when each alliance had to target different boss in the first walk.

Where did alliance mechanics go and why?!

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Originally Posted by Tulvi

Not really a problem, since this has been in many duties before - giant leaps, teleport, realms shift etc.

My huge problem with Alliance Raids for some time now (EW) included, is complete lack of alliance mechanics. Out of 12 (?) boss encounters in both DT alliance raids, I can only remember one alliance mechanic when each alliance had to target different boss in the first walk.

Where did alliance mechanics go and why?!

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I did mention that it's been a trend. So many duties we fall from unimaginable heights and just land without getting hurt at all. It's bizarre, when they could at least invent a reason why we don't die.

And that's a good point about alliance mechanics. I like when the different parties get split up for a little bit. It reminds me of FFVI.

This is a game not reality. Logic does not need apply if ever. And this is not and alliance problem, it's a problem you have with the raid.

My biggest and only problem with the new Raid is the sheer amount of effect nonsense that's goin on. Half of which isn't needed. My poor GPU keeps screaming at Faithbound Kirin.

Remember when Byakko launched us hundreds of meters into the air and we skydived through a tornado with no parachute and took zero damage upon violently crashing into the ground?

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Originally Posted by Underscore

Remember when Byakko launched us hundreds of meters into the air and we skydived through a tornado with no parachute and took zero damage upon violently crashing into the ground?

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Or Dragoons leaping impossibly high into the air and coming down with the force of a missile? And lets not forget standing on the moon where no breathable air exists?

It's a Final Fantasy trope. There's a lot of incredibly long falls that were survived. They always survive the fall, even that one into the planet's core.

I think it's because Hironobu Sakaguchi has a fear of heights, at least I recall reading somewhere that this was the case.

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Originally Posted by Raikai

Is that the biggest problem to you? :T

To me is the storyline.

It feels like I'm watching a movie divided by 2 commercials (even patches), because the part 1 and 2 storyline doesn't really have any big moments. Pretty much like Endwalker's too.

Also, bothers me that the raids themselves are really just something "extra" to serve as background. What is the purpose of those raids? AFAIK the only relevant event that happened going into those fights was getting Prishe. The Shadow Lord, or the last boss from the 2nd installment could be literally anything from FFXI and would make no difference. Prishe aside, if you skipped those raid encounters, it wouldn't change a lot because the important events of the plot are all resolved in cutscenes outside of the raid.

I don't remember it being this way for Shadows of Mhach, Ivalice or even Nier - all of the raids there had a pretty definite purpose, even when the last boss felt like filler. It always ended on a high note.

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They have stopped bothering with any explanation for a lot of optional content by now. Myth of the Realm had the Twelve tell us "just come fight us lol" for 3 alliance raid patches just because they had to make 3 alliance raids with fights.

And to add insult to injury for that one, if you haven't played XI, you have no fucking idea what this is all about unlike the Twelve. Feels like I'm being forced into the skin of a story skipper.

I genuinely prefer that transition to the boring teleportation portal

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

This is a game not reality. Logic does not need apply if ever. And this is not and alliance problem, it's a problem you have with the raid.

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Right. They can invent anything. So why not give us a glider to go from airship to airship or a small trampoline to land on when we fall from a big height. They could even give us a quest where we learn some kind of magic to survive long falls, just like we learned to breathe underwater in stormblood.

It wouldn't take much to make it more believable within the world of the game.

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Originally Posted by Valence

They have stopped bothering with any explanation for a lot of optional content by now. Myth of the Realm had the Twelve tell us "just come fight us lol" for 3 alliance raid patches just because they had to make 3 alliance raids with fights.

And to add insult to injury for that one, if you haven't played XI, you have no fucking idea what this is all about unlike the Twelve. Feels like I'm being forced into the skin of a story skipper.

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Yeah... Feels like shallow fanservice of FFXI to me, since I didn't play it. If they want to reference other titles - and I personally don't mind whey they do - they got to add a more cohese line of context, something that allows player fruition without having played the source material, which YoRHA (which I also didn't play), also being extremely referential and fan-servicey, does.