Please make "Limited Leveling Roulette" work when queuing by yourself

I don't know how many more Stone Vigils and Syrcus Towers while sitting at level 100 I can stomach...

(yes I know they'll never do this because it would negatively impact low level players' experience, something they absolutely do not want...)

You already alluded to this in parentheses, but it would completely invalidate the point of the roulette if they did this.
I do agree with the soul of your post though. I'm also sick of being leveled down. At this point, there are certain roulettes that I simply won't do. Leveling is one of them, because the dungeons are largely boring, and the low leveled dungeons are REALLY boring.
It'd be nice to have more roulettes in general. There's a lot of later content that doesn't get any love because nobody runs it. A lazily named "side content roulette" featuring things like variant dungeons, delubrum reginae normal, etc. would be pretty neat. Give people something to do, but on the higher end of the game's content rollouts so the downsync isn't so painful.

Alliance Roulette already has some restrictions on it, though with Crystal Tower being mandatory will usually result in the one you see most often. If Free Trial players had access to Shadowbringers than you might see the Ivalice raids more often as they are required for the (Lv80) relic, but even then it's still all down to chance what you get.

The entire point of a roulette is that you are helping others with their queue for their duty. Usually, someone in a direct queue for a below-100 duty is doing it for the first time. In exchange, you get rewarded.

If you have a completely full party, then you can know for certain the needs and wishes of all your party members, so they let you decide to only get the highest level duty possible.

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Originally Posted by Avoidy

I do agree with the soul of your post though. I'm also sick of being leveled down. At this point, there are certain roulettes that I simply won't do. Leveling is one of them, because the dungeons are largely boring, and the low leveled dungeons are REALLY boring.

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Wonder how much it'd actually "damage" the queue times if enabling the setting would actually get people who normally don't even touch the roulette to play again.

I can't even remember when I last used any roulette outside Expert.

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Originally Posted by Avoidy

You already alluded to this in parentheses, but it would completely invalidate the point of the roulette if they did this.

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It won't. How many times have you checked your roulette party, seen that everyone is 90+ yet still gets Sastasha? In that case, forcing a higher level dungeon doesn't impact people queuing directly at all. The lowest impact way of making this work is to check the party and see if it would make sense to apply the limited roulette restriction or not.

Though even in the more general case it's not a given that restricting roulette choice would have negative consequences. For that to happen everyone would need to avoid the same dungeons/trials/whatever. Not just some people, but the majority of the people using roulette. It's not clear if that would actually happen. That roulettes are used to fill duties shouldn't be an excuse to exclude them from improvements.

The ARR raids being mandatory and the lowest level will always have the highest chances to appear, as if there's even 1 person below level 60 in the group of 24 people it's going to be the ARR raids.

But at the very least, they go by quickly. The level 50 gameplay might not be very interesting for most jobs, but at least it takes like 15 minutes average...

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

The entire point of a roulette is that you are helping others with their queue for their duty. Usually, someone in a direct queue for a below-100 duty is doing it for the first time. In exchange, you get rewarded.

If you have a completely full party, then you can know for certain the needs and wishes of all your party members, so they let you decide to only get the highest level duty possible.

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I just take the abandon penalty when I get synced to unfun levels.

I don't play the game to be a background npc in someone elses MSQ, if I roll unfun content I don't do it.

Same trend, same complaints. It all comes back to how bad level syncing is right now lol.

It needs to be reworked if we want to both ensure new players have players to do content with and also keep roulette players entertained and engaged.

I was mortified to discover that we can already skip the entire scale sequence against Nald'Thal in Aglaia, less than one expansion cycle later.

Something about the syncing math has gone terribly wrong after the 100 cap.

ok to correct you tho only the first dungeon will be affected by limited LVL roulette because syrcus isn't part of the roulette and sadly if everyone use it it could actually kill the new player wanted to play with people and not bots

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Originally Posted by RedLolly

I was mortified to discover that we can already skip the entire scale sequence against Nald'Thal in Aglaia, less than one expansion cycle later.

Something about the syncing math has gone terribly wrong after the 100 cap.

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You could do that on the very next patch, sadly...

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Originally Posted by RedLolly

I was mortified to discover that we can already skip the entire scale sequence against Nald'Thal in Aglaia, less than one expansion cycle later.

Something about the syncing math has gone terribly wrong after the 100 cap.

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Yeah, with good damage this was happening one patch later. By the end of the expansion, you needed to slow damage if you wanted a new player to see the scales. Im sure the higher level cap hasnt helped, but first alliance raids usually suffer this fate.

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Originally Posted by Tsiron

I don't know how many more Stone Vigils and Syrcus Towers while sitting at level 100 I can stomach...

(yes I know they'll never do this because it would negatively impact low level players' experience, something they absolutely do not want...)

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It's even crazier when you have a full party of level 100 and you que it and you get those. Like, who designed this system?

A friend and I have been leveling MCH together on alts. From level 30 to level 78 now, we haven't gotten a SINGLE dungeon that fit the level we were at. We ran Sastasha, Toto-rak, Stone Vigil and DD a RIDICULOUS amount of times, to the point that, in a fit of desperation upon getting Sastasha for the fifth time in a row at level 70-73, I abandoned the dungeon, which is something I never do.

In all of that, the highest level dungeon we got was the Aery (lvl 55) and we ran it thrice in a row in Leveling Roulette.

I understand the point of the ROULETTE. But the roulette, as it is, is not rouletting at all.

again limited leveling roulette is only for leveling roulette and work only if you have a full party if you are 3 sadly you open to lower then you might wish

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Originally Posted by PyurBlue

It won't. How many times have you checked your roulette party, seen that everyone is 90+ yet still gets Sastasha? In that case, forcing a higher level dungeon doesn't impact people queuing directly at all. The lowest impact way of making this work is to check the party and see if it would make sense to apply the limited roulette restriction or not.

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This is a good point. Maybe an alternative where you could check "limited leveling roulette" when queueing by yourself, and if everyone picked it, then it would go by the lowest level of whoever was in the matched party.

Queued in with a group of FC buddies. Our lowest level was 98. We got Darkhold. How?

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Originally Posted by RedLolly

Queued in with a group of FC buddies. Our lowest level was 98. We got Darkhold. How?

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Don't worry you're not alone there. There were times I que'd as a full premade with my friends all at cap lv (before they implement limited feature) and the game shat us Sassy Tasha, Tam Tara Deep Sleep, or Thousand Yawns of Dodo Rags not too uncommonly.

Riveting.

You can't fix all of OPs problems,
but making them instances more fun would help.
How is this done?
Level syncing is too simple and it's broken
Instead, dynamically sync down based on the overall iLvl of the party.
Where an over powered party, will see the highest ILvld chars 'progressively' synced down until the "this is still a little challenging" level is reached

It's basically just your current ilvl syncing mechanism, but with a 'variable' sync level, which level is determined by the resultant calculated party's level.

SE this would transform all your current old content and breath life back into it.

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Originally Posted by Gurgeh

You can't fix all of OPs problems,
but making them instances more fun would help.
How is this done?
Level syncing is too simple and it's broken
Instead, dynamically sync down based on the overall iLvl of the party.
Where an over powered party, will see the highest ILvld chars 'progressively' synced down until the "this is still a little challenging" level is reached

It's basically just your current ilvl syncing mechanism, but with a 'variable' sync level, which level is determined by the resultant calculated party's level.

SE this would transform all your current old content and breath life back into it.

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It'd also create more "WAAAHHHHHH THE GAME TOO HAAAAAAAARD!!1!" threads again. Not that I'd mind seeing them. It's funny. But I'm pointing out the consequences, that's all.

I don't disagree with OP but also: do alliance roulette last and leave if it's any of the trash ones. for leveling roulette, we can't dodge it, but you can always play a job that ensures fast runs