7.3 No Update To A 7.4 Wishlist!

7.3 Housing Update is M.I.A. this round. We'll manage. Begrudgingly.

I think it might be fun to put together a Wishlist of features we want to see for 7.4! AND I'm talking CRAZY stuff!! What changes housing forever!! A breath of fresh air to the system!! Item slots, tardis, pillars; all cool! What else can we cook!? Imagination gone wild. No rules! GO! Leave the logistics to the Devs.

- Open World Homes. Want to live on the Steppe? There's a yurt for you!! What about in a Tiny Home with the Dwarves in Tomra?! No talls allowed!!

- Mobile Home. A mount that doubles as a housing instance. Can set it up in a fixed location and show your friends your caravan!!

- Roaming Minions! 20 Wind-Up G'raha just doing whatever!! Running around da house.

- Placeable Retainers / Actors. Perhaps add a feature where you can have them spam an emote! We have a few NPCs but an expanded version of that. Customizable!

- Build Mode UPGRADE. Tool that allows us to move the stairs, add floor tiles (LIKE, the physical ground beneath our feet), demolish walls. Change the spawn point. Reposition light fixtures. Complete control over the house box!

- Functionality Improvements. Market Board, Glam Dresser, Mailbox. Workshop. Add them. Oh, those things crash and break the game and that's why we can't add them? In the voice of Dear Modern "Fix It." People will use their house if they can engage with it.

-Inside items outside and Outside items inside. If I want a 20ft tall Namazu effigy in my house, that's my business.

- Door Locks. Add an option to allows anyone on your FRIENDS LIST into your house while simultaneously keeping the Door Locked. TBH this feels like the most feasible thing on this list.

- Island Prism for your House. Island Prisms are an amazing feature and absolutely should be applied to the rest of the housing system!! WHEN we get a slot increase, getting all those items together for a build will be backbreaking! WORTH, but backbreaking. This can save time and gil.

Those were just some thoughts!! WHAT DO Y'ALL THINK!! What are some of your ideas!?! Again, no rules. We're brainstorming + enjoying ourselves!

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I love these ideas!

One reason I’ve always wanted an instanced housing option added goes along with your idea of open world homes: the ability to make a plot that looks like it’s anywhere in Eorzea! That could also lead to creating smaller (or larger) instances with custom homes like your caravan idea, or campsites or caves, etc.

The roaming minions like we have on the island would be fun too, and I’ve long wished I could place my retainers indoors and give them a lot more customization and action. And being able to put furnishings anywhere, inside or out, in general would be great!

Build mode upgrade would be a dream come true… maybe we get something like that eventually as they work on other interior design options. Even just more unique layouts would be appreciated!

Door locks seems like something we should already have. lol

Island prisms… yes! Bonus points if the ground of your plot becomes changeable, like the flooring in the interior! I’d like the ground to look different for each season!

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Originally Posted by Khryseis_Astra

I love these ideas!

One reason I’ve always wanted an instanced housing option added goes along with your idea of open world homes: the ability to make a plot that looks like it’s anywhere in Eorzea! That could also lead to creating smaller (or larger) instances with custom homes like your caravan idea, or campsites or caves, etc.

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OMG A CAMPSITE IS SUCH A GOOD IDEA!!

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Originally Posted by Teige

OMG A CAMPSITE IS SUCH A GOOD IDEA!!

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My hubby had me try out ESO awhile back and the sheer variety of “housing” in that game blew my mind! I remember one of them looked like a little wagon/caravan.

No more lies and a proper update, I mean you can't even place items the way you want by using a Z axis and more.... I would suggest adding the possibility to bank the angles as well as rotating in a z axis as well possibility...

But I don't think the engine can handle that part well at all..

Funny enough.. Star Wars Galaxies, you could place anything any angle and later on in the game you could get items where you would be able to increase the limit of items inside the house so it went up to around a 1000-1200 if I remember right... but alas....that advanced technology has gone away the same way as the Allagans has disappered in FFXIV.

They don't even need to add some z axis if it's too complicated. Just allow us to put everything on lofts or shelves.

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Originally Posted by OdrN

They don't even need to add some z axis if it's too complicated. Just allow us to put everything on lofts or shelves.

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With the legendary “spaghetti code,” I truly don’t know if it would be easier for them to add a Z axis, than to reclassify all non-tabletop items as having counter placement! lol

But I do know that the game has to keep track of the vertical axis somehow, otherwise the floating trick wouldn’t work.

I will laugh my head off if in the housing update they don't add vertical positioning but "fix" the floating trick.

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I will laugh my head off if in the housing update they don't add vertical positioning but "fix" the floating trick.

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Oh wow, I don't think I would laugh, but uh. Wow.

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I will laugh my head off if in the housing update they don't add vertical positioning but "fix" the floating trick.

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I am almost certain that they will never fix that unless the introduce another way to do it as it would break so many homes people would not be happy

I want targetable nodes that can have text written in them. And i can place those nodes as a tabletop/floor/wall item to give lore or a description of something

The number one thing they need to add IMO is a little gizmo that lets you move items in any direction, bonus points if it also has a field where you can enter numerical coordinates for even better precision. They've gone on record saying they're fine with people floating items with glitches so why not just let players do it by default?

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

The number one thing they need to add IMO is a little gizmo that lets you move items in any direction, bonus points if it also has a field where you can enter numerical coordinates for even better precision. They've gone on record saying they're fine with people floating items with glitches so why not just let players do it by default?

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Having an interface like Halo's Forge mode would be great, it allows for very creative maps people create including having things like elevators, sliding doors and much more. It would be a dream come true if they could create an interface similar to Halo's Forge mode. Think of all the minigames you could create that would add more to the RP experiences and such.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDIGgduH3sI

I am honestly sad... distraught and annoyed, by the fact SE is just blowing hot steam at us and is more or less laying down and crying and whining about not having time, budget or anything for housing. but can CONSISTANTLY poop out garbage.... Now im not saying that the content we get is garbage.

BUT... if they promise something they need to STICK TO THAT PROMISE, not cover it up with lies. WICH THEY HAVE BEEN...

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Originally Posted by Yuniko

I am honestly sad... distraught and annoyed, by the fact SE is just blowing hot steam at us and is more or less laying down and crying and whining about not having time, budget or anything for housing. but can CONSISTANTLY poop out garbage.... Now im not saying that the content we get is garbage.

BUT... if they promise something they need to STICK TO THAT PROMISE, not cover it up with lies. WICH THEY HAVE BEEN...

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They get approx $120 MILLION to $200 MILLION a year to develop that's A LOT OF MONEY for what they push out, I suspect at least 40% of the budget just lines the higher ups pockets instead of going to hiring devs and delivering better end game content for the long time subbers who stay subbed between patches and xpacs like... better housing.

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Originally Posted by s32ialx

They get approx $120 MILLION to $200 MILLION a year to develop that's A LOT OF MONEY for what they push out, I suspect at least 40% of the budget just lines the higher ups pockets instead of going to hiring devs and delivering better end game content for the long time subbers who stay subbed between patches and xpacs like... better housing.

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Oh 100% hun.

Like at this point i don't think there's ANY big game company or COMPANY for that matter that actually gives a duck about it's player base anymore. We're all money signs to companies. nothing else, and it saddens me so much.

- Door Locks. Add an option to allows anyone on your FRIENDS LIST into your house while simultaneously keeping the Door Locked. TBH this feels like the most feasible thing on this list.


This kinda exists already, The Shared Estate option allows people listed as a tenant to bypass door locks.

Door lock would be nice.

I want more information on the ability to upgrade interior size/ item limit increases (how much we can expect, and a deadline even it is mid 8. series), and a real good update to exterior decoration interface, like a privacy fence mode, or something similar.

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Originally Posted by s32ialx

They get approx $120 MILLION to $200 MILLION a year to develop that's A LOT OF MONEY for what they push out, I suspect at least 40% of the budget just lines the higher ups pockets instead of going to hiring devs and delivering better end game content for the long time subbers who stay subbed between patches and xpacs like... better housing.

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Your perception of what actually happens to a business' yearly turnover is extremely warped.



Out of the money they make, the following has to be paid (this might not even be a full list either)

- Technology based expenses - Replacing depreciating hardware, upgrading hardware or infrastructure etc.
- Utilities. Data Centers use a lot of water, electricity and internet bandwidth.
- Staff Wages
- Security and safety costs for buildings as well as the Data Centres.
- Security costs for the infrastructure itself. Things like Server grade Firewalls and DDOS mitigation are expensive (Note I said mitigation, not prevention as DDOS cannot be fully prevented)
- Liability Insurance, Building Insurance and other business insurances required.
- Rental costs for any data center space they take up from hosting providers.
- Business rates and other Corporate taxes. These have to be paid in most countries they have offices in (UK, JP etc)
- Ongoing costs for legal and accounting services
- Any loans the business has taken out
- Rental costs for any buildings they occupy but don't own directly
- Shareholder dividends
- Advertising and Marketing costs.


etc etc


Realistically out of that 200 mil the profit is probably 50-75.

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Originally Posted by NightHour

Out of the money they make, the following has to be paid (this might not even be a full list either)

- Technology based expenses - Replacing depreciating hardware, upgrading hardware or infrastructure etc.
- Utilities. Data Centers use a lot of water, electricity and internet bandwidth.
- Staff Wages
- Security and safety costs for buildings and data centers
- Liability Insurance, Building Insurance and other business insurances required.
- Rental costs for any data center space they take up from hosting providers.
- Business rates and other Corporate taxes
- Ongoing costs for legal and accounting services
- Any loans the business has taken out
- Rental costs for any buildings they occupy but don't own directly
- Shareholder dividends


etc etc

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I completely agree. Most people see the revenue numbers and assume SE could just throw money at housing or whatever, but running servers, paying staff, covering infrastructure, insurance, and taxes adds up fast. It’s not as simple as it looks. While it’s easy to say “oh, they make this much,” many people’s perception of business expenses is pretty warped.

I can't believe they're doing it!

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Originally Posted by Naoki Yoshida

Some players use certain techniques to decorate their homes. In Japan we call them "Floating Techniques". They are not officially supported, but we have had some discussions about whether we want to support them officially. The discussions are now over, so let us think about how we can do this in the game.

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buffed.de

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Originally Posted by OdrN

I can't believe they're doing it!
buffed.de

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Holy. And also finally explicitly confirming the Tardis housing too. I just hope the item limit is not tied to which layout you end up choosing...

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Originally Posted by Yuniko

Oh 100% hun.

Like at this point i don't think there's ANY big game company or COMPANY for that matter that actually gives a duck about it's player base anymore. We're all money signs to companies. nothing else, and it saddens me so much.

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That's the way it's always been. At the end of the day their alliance is to the profits and shareholders. You are the cattle. But you gotta have happy cows for the best chance at a return. But our goals do not align with the company's goals.We are playing their game for a different reason then why they created it.

Wandering back to OP's post of crazy Wishlist thoughts for a moment...

- I would LOVE to see interiors that match our exterior skins so that all doors, floors, and features are accessible! Have a Country House, then you 100% get a door to access that tree so you can get to the rooftop seating area without having to create a jump puzzle! You also get your door to the back porch and that delightful fireplace and everything else. Yeah, it would make decorating a lot harder in some respects, but it would really feel like authentically the same house inside and out.

- I would also love to see apartments or other instanced housing actually within the city-states and not just in the adventurer districts, so I can have a nice townhome within Kugane or Ul'dah or someplace directly. Something that matches the city aesthetic and gives you balconies and terraces that overlook the city as a whole.

- I would, of course, also enjoy upgrading my Island Sanctuary to have a housing plot that can be upgraded over time to a large estate. That island was our reward for ending the Final Days, and I would really like to see it grow into its potential. Especially if we can make it so that we can teleport directly there and so can others regardless of if we're online.

- And finally, I would love it if they would give us access to ALL of the decorating assets used in buildings, inns, and dungeons in game. Just across the board, we can now use every single one of those furnishings we've been drooling over for 12 years.

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I can't believe they're doing it!


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That translation is a little more specific than the one I saw… this sounds like they’ve already decided to implement it for sure (“the discussions are now over”), and it’s just a matter of figuring out the technical details.

I wouldn’t expect it to come with the item limit increase and interior size remodel, unless we want those to be delayed for another eternity, but to hear them say they want to do it at all is very encouraging! I can float, but it’s a pain and it would be so nice to just place things normally!

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OMG A CAMPSITE IS SUCH A GOOD IDEA!!

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I agree with this. Such a throwback to the original games having a campsite or tent.

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Originally Posted by NightHour

Out of the money they make, the following has to be paid

etc etc

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not all of what you listed relates to the project costs some of that is just business expenses and operation costs.

for Final Fantasy XIV an CBU3 they are allocated funds in the millions or even billions but alot of it goes into advertisement and merchandise and as you said server maintenance an repairs as well as paying salaries and training or hiring new staff to the various teams does factor into that cost. so too does buying software to create new assets, but even with that said that should still leave them with enough funds leftover to provide quality improvements to existing infrastructure
lets not also forget that the mogstation/cash store proceeds supposedly go towards development costs too as stated by naoki yoshida himself unless he was lieing that is to save face an avoid bad press etc.

even so they do have passionate devs on their teams who work out things without pay as was proven with the majong minigame and headgear fits for viera/hrothgar. things that were done in the developers spare time an with good will/intention.
so its not impossible just unlikely that they'd be able to devote so much too what is consider niche sidecontent even though we'd really like them too place more urgency or thought to player housing and its systems etc.

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Originally Posted by Nyastra

I completely agree. Most people see the revenue numbers and assume SE could just throw money at housing or whatever, but running servers, paying staff, covering infrastructure, insurance, and taxes adds up fast. It’s not as simple as it looks. While it’s easy to say “oh, they make this much,” many people’s perception of business expenses is pretty warped.

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People see $120-200 million and think it's gross profit, when realistically the profit is probably a fraction of that.

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Originally Posted by ShadowyZero

not all of what you listed relates to the project costs some of that is just business expenses and operation costs.

for Final Fantasy XIV an CBU3 they are allocated funds in the millions or even billions but alot of it goes into advertisement and merchandise and as you said server maintenance an repairs as well as paying salaries and training or hiring new staff to the various teams does factor into that cost. so too does buying software to create new assets, but even with that said that should still leave them with enough funds leftover to provide quality improvements to existing infrastructure
lets not also forget that the mogstation/cash store proceeds supposedly go towards development costs too as stated by naoki yoshida himself unless he was lieing that is to save face an avoid bad press etc.

even so they do have passionate devs on their teams who work out things without pay as was proven with the majong minigame and headgear fits for viera/hrothgar. things that were done in the developers spare time an with good will/intention.
so its not impossible just unlikely that they'd be able to devote so much too what is consider niche sidecontent even though we'd really like them too place more urgency or thought to player housing and its systems etc.

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My post was meant as SE as a whole... not CB3 specifically or CS3 as they're called now.

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Originally Posted by Teige

- Mobile Home. A mount that doubles as a housing instance. Can set it up in a fixed location and show your friends your caravan!!

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Airships from the Workshop! Let us have them as a housing feature too.

A handful of different models and sizes that you can furnish and set them above specific maps for scenery.