Let's talk about physical range jobs

I've been playing the three prange jobs since Shadowbringers and despite of paying the range tax I feel that the classes need a good hands down reworking and consideration.

I accept to do less damage than the Melees and Mages but except for MCH, their supportive role is not really shining as it should.

Furthermore there are some really serious skill issues.

For example:

1) DNC has buffs with Standard Step and Technical Step that reach 15y where Bard Buffs has 30y range. Also Tilana feels a little bit odd to press now.

2) BRD dots and Sidewinder feel a little bit useless where in previous expansions had it uses.

3) MCH, oh boy, I don't know where to begin with.

Just give pranges a little bit more attention without breaking their identity.

In my experience the community shows as much contempt for phys ranged as the devs do lol. People will rarely even mention the role anymore. I mean, how could they not when the devs have neglected it so wholly? None of the role’s functions or features make sense anymore.

- ‘Sustained damage’ is meaningless in a game with so little downtime (specifically for melees)
- Mobility is absolutely not an advantage in a game where every job has an abundance of mobility skills and tools specifically to subvert intended ‘disconnects’.
- Claims to be a support role but Machinist
- Bard’s entire ‘support’ identity is represented through passive button presses on a conveyor belt that literally aren’t anything to do with supporting the party at all (songs are personal dps cool-downs).
- Speaking of which, Bard’s identity is still an absolute mess. Are they some magical poet using their voice to smack enemies with (a 100% physical weaponskill) a pillar of light? Are they consummate archers who just pull an instrument out their ass every 45 seconds? Make up your mind SE.
- Machinist seems wholly confused about what it’s even meant to be
- Literally no difference between how Bard and Dancer support. You hit a button as part of your dps rotation and buffs spew out. Developing dance partner and song spellcasting could’ve differentiated them a bit more, but naa let’s just make it all 120s button presses.
- A literal fucking role skill parading as a real individual ability. When they constantly go on about ability amount limitations and avoiding button bloat…
- What possible reason is there for Peloton to not be usable in combat other than to spite us? Just make it half duration. Literally no other job/role in the game has an ability slot taken up by an ability they literally cannot use in combat. None! Just phys ranged.

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Originally Posted by Connor

- Literally no difference between how Bard and Dancer support. You hit a button as part of your dps rotation and buffs spew out. Developing dance partner and song spellcasting could’ve differentiated them a bit more, but naa let’s just make it all 120s button presses.

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There is... DNC buffs one person for more, and BRD buffs the whole team for less, unless you're just talking about the 120s actions, which is basically the 2min meta that is also composed by other jobs.

If we had no such thing as this static 2min buff window, maybe BRD and DNC could bring more value for their buffing aspects, the ones not tied to that 2min window, I mean.

As for MCH. I don't think it's even possible to balance this job given the niche it is. You make it stronger as the "selfish dpser" it is, and suddenly the other 2 are outclassed. You try to make all 3 of them somewhat equal, like how it seems to be now, and then MCH eats the dust since the buffs scale better with good players and stats.

The more I play MNK, the more frustrated, and disappointed I become with BRD, and phys ranged as whole. Both jobs have a raid buff, and party utility, both jobs have a simi-priority system for their rotations, but MNK is so much stronger, more rewarding, and easier to play than BRD. It truly feels like the phys ranged role is a neglected, and despised role by the devs. I feel like I don't see anyone play phys ranged anymore, and when I do, they're playing DNC, the devs' favorite child.

The role is broken. Phys ranged fails as a DPS role as their damage is so low that even TANKS can sometimes creep up on them. MCH, a job with out a raid buff, doesn't have the damage to synergize with other buffs as well as the other jobs that don't have raid buff like BLM, SAM, and VPR. Phys ranged fails as a support role as there are job in the other DPS roles that can do so much more heavy lifting. BRD, and DNC are forced to share the same hat as phys ranged DPS with raid buffs, but BRD much harder to play than DNC, AND BRD feels insultingly undertuned. It's incredibly obvious why players prefer playing DNC over BRD. BRD is so underwhelming that even its Phantom version is underwhelming.

Phys ranged's lack of positioning requirements mean nothing even when fight are faster, force melees out of melee range more often, and force casters to move more. There is no way to meaningfully challenge phys ranged jobs with ffxiv's fight design. You don't improve phys ranged gameplay by making the other roles work harder. You improve phys ranged gameplay by changing phys ranged gameplay. YOU, the developers found A solution in PVP with walking casts so why aren't they in PVE?

Please fix this broken role.

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Originally Posted by Connor

‘Sustained damage’ is meaningless in a game with so little downtime (specifically for melees)

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This is something that's frequently overlooked. The meaningful difference between being a Melee vs being a Ranged vs being a Caster has been factually eliminated, and this is not good in a game with so many classes.

Usually, in RPGs:

* Melees have significantly more damage output and more survivability. In return they frequently and extensively have to disconnected to do mechanics, reducing their momentary DPS to 0, and also are frequently subjected to PBAoE attacks that cannot meaningfully be dodged and hence need to be able to survive these. Their overall DPS balances out, as does their survivability, even though in a tank&spank situation both would be incredibly high compared to all other damage.
* In second place come Casters, who also does substantially more damage, in return for dropping to 0 whenever they have to move with few if any tools to continue uptime during movement (and if they have any they're like Scathe, significantly weaker than their normal output regardless of any CDs they might have, or have downsides such as reducing damage by 50%).
* Only then come the non-casting ranged, who can essentially guarantee full uptime. Naturally they are neither survivable (they have the flexibility to avoid stuff) nor do they bring high DPS (they can keep it up 100% of the time). Again, overall it balances out, but it's much weaker on a target dummy, MUCH weaker. In return for melees losing say, 30%+ of their uptime, and casters also missing 10%-20% of their potential casts and hence rotations constantly going haywire and things not lining up.

This is also incidentally why tanks and healers usually share the downsides of melees and casters respectively (with some exceptions, see Vanguard's melee healer or EQ1's Beastmaster when tanking): They get easy-use tools to avoid the downside to some degree, on tanks usually this is their tank-survivability which means they don't have to disconnected (and in fact their job is to not do this!), and for healers they usually have the frequent or no-downside movement tools to ensure they can heal while moving. But this also frequently only affects their healing, not the rest of their kit, to ensure that for damage output they are casters.

Mostly the game, I feel, needs more adversity:

* Significantly more damage on the raid as a whole, and importantly not equal damage. Say every autoattack bosses also hit 2 random non-tank people for 25%-30% of their HP.
* Significantly more tank damage, and more consistent autoattacks. Tanks ought to be constantly pressured to use their plethora of defenses, not just for mechanics.
* More issues stemming from your class' design. Inability to be good in a fight involving a lot of movement. Yeah, you're a caster, you will not do well in this fight!. Tough luck, there are others where you rock!

Without adversity, all difficulty has to come from DDR + speed, and I feel we're capping this with modern fights. They're really not easy, but it can't be increased much more.

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Originally Posted by orestaklos

I accept to do less damage than the Melees and Mages but except for MCH

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I personally don't.

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Originally Posted by orestaklos

DNC has buffs with Standard Step and Technical Step that reach 15y where Bard Buffs has 30y range. Also Tilana feels a little bit odd to press now.

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I don't like homogenization.

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Originally Posted by orestaklos

BRD dots and Sidewinder feel a little bit useless where in previous expansions had it uses.

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But you must understand, according to the devs the skill ceiling of having it linked to dots was too much...

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Originally Posted by Connor

In my experience the community shows as much contempt for phys ranged as the devs do lol. People will rarely even mention the role anymore. I mean, how could they not when the devs have neglected it so wholly? None of the role’s functions or features make sense anymore.

- ‘Sustained damage’ is meaningless in a game with so little downtime (specifically for melees)
- Mobility is absolutely not an advantage in a game where every job has an abundance of mobility skills and tools specifically to subvert intended ‘disconnects’.
- Claims to be a support role but Machinist
- Bard’s entire ‘support’ identity is represented through passive button presses on a conveyor belt that literally aren’t anything to do with supporting the party at all (songs are personal dps cool-downs).
- Speaking of which, Bard’s identity is still an absolute mess. Are they some magical poet using their voice to smack enemies with (a 100% physical weaponskill) a pillar of light? Are they consummate archers who just pull an instrument out their ass every 45 seconds? Make up your mind SE.
- Machinist seems wholly confused about what it’s even meant to be
- Literally no difference between how Bard and Dancer support. You hit a button as part of your dps rotation and buffs spew out. Developing dance partner and song spellcasting could’ve differentiated them a bit more, but naa let’s just make it all 120s button presses.
- A literal fucking role skill parading as a real individual ability. When they constantly go on about ability amount limitations and avoiding button bloat…
- What possible reason is there for Peloton to not be usable in combat other than to spite us? Just make it half duration. Literally no other job/role in the game has an ability slot taken up by an ability they literally cannot use in combat. None! Just phys ranged.

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The community tends to oscillate between utter pity the same way passerby would send a look at the local destitute, and outright contempt when rphys players even dare ask for more damage because they suddenly feel threatened in their imaginary metrics of effort vs reward.

Mobility except for DNC is not an advantage of rphys but actually a disadvantage of playing the role. The only remaining jobs with no mobility are AST and SCH, and SCH has Expedient so technically it's still faring a little better than MCH and BRD. Actual raw mobility has become increasingly more valuable in the last two expansions and the difference betweeen playing a DNC and BRD/MCH is pretty much the difference between margin for error and no room for mistakes. Don't get me wrong though, I'm not asking for more mobility for rphys especially since the other half of the pve game those days is about uptime and rphys has no issues there for obvious reasons. The reason I'm mentioning it is because everybody always conveniently glosses over this.

Glad to see that other people have the same opinion.

Just give us a distinct difference to be range dps.
Instead they give melee dps instant range attacks to close the gap when on range, or give mages instant casts/buffs to move.

So where is the range identity?

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Originally Posted by Carighan

Usually, in RPGs:

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Interestingly, the opposite relation usually occurs in shooter games where melee attacks, and weapons are far more sparce, and weaker because they are physically easier to aim as opposed to ranged weapons which have a lot more nuance needing skills like positioning, projectile travel time (if applicable), and crosshair placement. Which is why the idea of physical ranged needing to 'aim' seems so attractive to me. 'Aiming' becomes their 'adversity,' their 'challenge.' The design challenge becomes how to create 'aiming' mechanics that work in XIV's combat system.

I would be down to have 'range positionals' distance based (both far and close - sniper shots / point blank shots)
It would influence party mechanics, are you in healer's range? All buffs reach you and your buffs others?

Maybe they could add walking casts but you deal more damage if you don't move during it because your aim is steadier or something like that.

Cursed idea: Each phys range has a "critical distance" (to borrow from Monster Hunter) where they deal more damage. DNC is up close, BRD is medium, MCH is far away. Probably a bad idea but I'm just spitballing.

Actually there are a lot of ideas to give us back an identity but they rather ignore us.
They are going to be like "Potency for Empyreal Arrow has been increased to 5"

Yesterday on Party Finder on high peak hours we were looking for a range for like 45 mins.
Why they dont get it?

If Party Finder groups are struggling to find Physical Ranged players, it's mostly because the role is only there for the 1% buff. Instead of addressing valid concerns over the role, the dev team doubled down on previous mistakes by buffing most melees recently. They've also been increasing the ranged tax with the release of every expansion, and somehow that aligns with MCH's weakest patches.

Players have been trying to highlight the issues for (at least) 3 expansions, but there's no indication of changes in the near future, especially after the recent melee buffs.

Should this trend continue in 8.0, we'll have a decade of stagnation on the matter, and I don't see how the game's subscribers will still have the energy to point out the same issues. This applies to other areas of the game as well, and maybe that's why the sub count has been dropping substantially.

The devs consider those jobs as "baby's first raid job" on training wheels and have stated that arbitrary difficulty ratings should inform their damage output and effectiveness. That's why there is nary a line on rphys jobs at every balance patch. They're too busy making tanks overpowered and their healer counterparts irrelevant the same way they're obsessed with competitive dps jobs like melees over the total neglect that rphys jobs have become (and SMN/RDM are soon becoming too).

As long as they'll stick to their guns with this, there is no hope for any change at all.

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Originally Posted by Valence

The devs consider those jobs as "baby's first raid job" on training wheels and have stated that arbitrary difficulty ratings should inform their damage output and effectiveness. That's why there is nary a line on rphys jobs at every balance patch. They're too busy making tanks overpowered and their healer counterparts irrelevant the same way they're obsessed with competitive dps jobs like melees over the total neglect that rphys jobs have become (and SMN/RDM are soon becoming too).

As long as they'll stick to their guns with this, there is no hope for any change at all.

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Honestly maybe I’m just missing something but their whole ‘strength = difficulty’ seems like a massive joke (or maybe a massive middle finger lol) to the entire community, because there’s no goddamn way anyone can say that Summoner is objectively harder than Dancer or Machinist. Like tf? What game are you playing Yoshi?!

But yeah, it feels definitely like part of why they treat phys ranged like absolute trash is because they randomly decided it’s the ‘baby job’. Yet Summoner is like, so complex somehow lol; that complexity is not in the room with us Yoshi

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Originally Posted by Connor

Honestly maybe I’m just missing something but their whole ‘strength = difficulty’ seems like a massive joke (or maybe a massive middle finger lol) to the entire community, because there’s no goddamn way anyone can say that Summoner is objectively harder than Dancer or Machinist. Like tf? What game are you playing Yoshi?!

But yeah, it feels definitely like part of why they treat phys ranged like absolute trash is because they randomly decided it’s the ‘baby job’. Yet Summoner is like, so complex somehow lol; that complexity is not in the room with us Yoshi

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To be honest SMN is kind of trash dmg wise right now too. The real joke is they consider most melees harder than something like BRD

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Originally Posted by Shyxx

To be honest SMN is kind of trash dmg wise right now too. The real joke is they consider most melees harder than something like BRD

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True, but it’s still got higher output than all three phys ranged I think? Which, by dev’s logic, means it harder than Bard, Machinist and Dancer lol. And while I don’t play melee so can’t really compare, I would imagine they surely can’t be any more ‘complex’ than a Dancer or Machinist. I mean disengaging is rarely even a thing for melee anymore right? It’s not even like they can use the ‘oh but melee sometimes have to move away from the boss for 1.5s so obviously they’re the Gigachad big brain role’ anymore lol.

Bard I’m biased towards since it’s the dps I’m most familiar with lol. Honestly I’d put Bard down as the easiest job in the game by far (literally just hit the glowing buttons and press Iron Jaws every song reapplication), but something like Machinist just scrambles my brain. Like, you want me to press these combo buttons? in sequence?! . How dare you Yoshi!

Which really brings me to the extremely obvious (at least to 99% of players) fact that difficulty is subjective (not you Summoner). Like, you’d think such an obvious thing would move them away from ranking jobs on an arbitrary scale of ‘difficulty’, but instead they decide to double down on it? Like…what the hell? I can’t help but feel like they’re literally just making stupid decisions not; it’s not even misinformed or misguided. It’s just plain stupidity at this point. I really can’t think of any other reason they’d double down on such a design other than a blatant lack of intelligence or forethought lol. Maybe I’m being too harsh but it really does beggar belief. I mean if jobs actually had a literal difficulty scaling I could maybe understand (but I’d still hate it). But they very obviously don’t.

Ended up ranting but like Jesus Christ are these people developing their first ever game or what? It’s so frustrating

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Originally Posted by Shyxx

To be honest SMN is kind of trash dmg wise right now too. The real joke is they consider most melees harder than something like BRD

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Originally Posted by Connor

True, but it’s still got higher output than all three phys ranged I think?

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If we look at the likes of, say, 95th percentile Dancing Green Savage... Bard is neck-and-neck with BLM and VPR, and well above RDM > DNC > SMN >> MCH.

And, yeah, I would definitely say Bard feels easier to play than most melee, that it offers freer positioning for the raid than do melee, and has less competition for its primary stat buff than does each melee, so... yeah, I'd be fine with a gap like that between BRD and your average melee.

The problem is that BRD only does that well in that fight. And that so many other non-melee/BLM/PCT jobs have an even wider gap even there. There's not much sense to having BLM, PCT, NIN, SAM, MNK, DRG, RPR, VPR all making a near-sheer cliff of values only to then see such a curve beneath of "everyone else".

Bard does my head in, but it's actually pretty simple and yeah, it just feels weird because it feels a tad more how MMO jobs should, in a game that usually staunchly refuses to do any actual class design. (meaning its procs + general flow make things not cleanly align into a static rotation that does not need you as the player, autohotkey could do it for you)

I think machinist's job fantasy kind of feels confused. Like in heavensward it started off primarily as a gunslinger with some gadgeteering with gauss rifle, gauss round, two turrets, and a grenade. But now it kind of feels like an engineer that larps as a gunslinger. As when you get the job to max level, its gunslinging is reduced to: heated split shot (basic combo 1), heated slug shot (basic combo 2), heated clean shot (basic combo 3), blazing shot, scattergun (basic aoe), and reassemble.

I get the reason why, as it leans more towards Edgar Roni Figaro or Mustadio who are more like the gunslinging engineer archetype. But with how different dawntrail's machinist is compared to heavensward, it kind of feels like they accidentally or purposefully left out the job fantasy of a proper gunslinger. Which is where the desire to have a job that is either a dual-wielding pistolero or a cutlass+flintlock corsair has gained traction in terms of what people want from an aiming job.

And this only gets reinforced in Shaaloani where the people there don't even bother with aetherotransformer meant for Machinist and just utilize only the gun and some normal bullets.

I personally think its not going to be feasible to rework machinist into more of a gunslinger with equal parts gadgeteering and instead would rather have a new aiming job that is about being a proper gunslinger from shaaloani.

Having 'noob trap' roles/classes like phys ranged is such an obsolete design philosophy.

It is obvious that Square Enix don't have a clear path for FFXIV phys range jobs.
Imagine waiting a whole expansion to just see that BRD songs don't require a target to play those songs.
I am just going to give up on the phys range jobs and play a melee job.

They gave buffs to MCH to make it equal to other phys ranged jobs after year of the expansion launch why does this happen in every expansion

I'm amused at the two liner of explanations for Ranged Physical on the job guide page.

We have increased the potency of bard and machinist actions to achieve a better balance among physical ranged DPS jobs.

Then comparing to the caster paragraph which strangely mirrors it almost perfectly, perhaps they forgot to add this:

Ranged Physical jobs are not highly prized for their reviving actions (of which they have none), and their mitigation tools are nothing unique to them either. In fact, they're only prized and taken in parties for the 1% party role bonus, which ensures that other jobs can still parse on fflogs properly, else without them they'd lose on that 1% damage bonus. However, once the focus shifts to efficiently clearing the duty, more importance is generally placed on high damage output. No Ranged Physical job excels in this area, and are decidedly lacking, so we have increased their potency to narrow the gap with the rest of the roster, while still ensuring that they stay where they belong.

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Originally Posted by Shyxx

They gave buffs to MCH to make it equal to other phys ranged jobs after year of the expansion launch why does this happen in every expansion

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Called it everywhere. It's almost a formula at this point since ShB. We're probably going to move back from the 10% damage gap down to around 5% or something for the second part of endgame DT, much like it went for endgame ShB and endgame EW.

Any BRD enjoyers having difficulty keeping song rotation up between encounters in Meso Terminal? Or am i just getting unlucky with parties?

5 or 6 runs now and everytime ive had a song drop before starting combat again and i cant recall it happening this much in other dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Valence

I'm amused at the two liner of explanations for Ranged Physical on the job guide page.

We have increased the potency of bard and machinist actions to achieve a better balance among physical ranged DPS jobs.

Then comparing to the caster paragraph which strangely mirrors it almost perfectly, perhaps they forgot to add this:

Ranged Physical jobs are not highly prized for their reviving actions (of which they have none), and their mitigation tools are nothing unique to them either. In fact, they're only prized and taken in parties for the 1% party role bonus, which ensures that other jobs can still parse on fflogs properly, else without them they'd lose on that 1% damage bonus. However, once the focus shifts to efficiently clearing the duty, more importance is generally placed on high damage output. No Ranged Physical job excels in this area, and are decidedly lacking, so we have increased their potency to narrow the gap with the rest of the roster, while still ensuring that they stay where they belong.



Called it everywhere. It's almost a formula at this point since ShB. We're probably going to move back from the 10% damage gap down to around 5% or something for the second part of endgame DT, much like it went for endgame ShB and endgame EW.

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And the cycle repeats itself. In 8.0, they'll increase the tax like they always do. But this time everyone will be forced to do the first Savage tier with their shiny new toy, if they release a new Physical Ranged. The "good" news is at least it'll deal more damage than the average CBU3 P.Ranged, to ensure that the job becomes "popular". We can only hope this is the case, rather than a 15% ranged tax to make the new job relevant.

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Originally Posted by Mecia

Any BRD enjoyers having difficulty keeping song rotation up between encounters in Meso Terminal? Or am i just getting unlucky with parties?

5 or 6 runs now and everytime ive had a song drop before starting combat again and i cant recall it happening this much in other dungeons.

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Honestly, a reason why I've stopped playing BRD in casual instances like dungeons that have inherent down time that's unpredictable. BRD's song rotation is detrimentally inflexible. BRD's songs need to be more flexible.

I don't think BRD song cycle is a problem in dungeons between pulls at all. Like, I have many problems with BRD, but that's not one of them. Just cycle the song as you go, they have full uptime, and play around them. In a lot of cases, you'll end up with the song finishing once a pull is done, you can hold the next one until the next pull, and keep your timings in mind, and things should stay aligned. Try to start Army's at the end of a pull under Ballad so that it covers downtime and you go back to Minuet the next one. If a pull takes too long because the party damage is low, then start a new song, or hold it if it's just for like 10-15 more seconds.

This is what I'd call agency and playing around one's toolkit. Think outside the box.

Funny thing is they went and buffed Bard when it's the best Physical Ranged out of the 3.

XDDDDDD

MCH now seems to be the best physical ranged even at 99 percentile in other bosses than M6S

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Originally Posted by Shyxx

MCH now seems to be the best physical ranged even at 99 percentile in other bosses than M6S

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DNC and BRD "lost" 1.5k to 3k rDPS at the 99th percentile. They didn't get nerfed, though, so the numbers are a bit artificial right now. At high percentiles, Machinist is never going to beat DNC/BRD without a raid buff. Patch 7.3 buffed its single target by 1.7%, which should be around 500 rDPS.

It's funny, BRD gets a tiny potency buff, and it it somehow the worst preforming DPS job in the latest extreme fight. It's personal damage is within tank levels, but it is expected to handle adds, on its own, that are tuned for DPS jobs, and it is still at the bottom even with its raid buffs factored in. If we're going to get get more fights like extreme 5, then BRD needs more buffs, and flexibility changes.

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Originally Posted by mallleable

It's funny, BRD gets a tiny potency buff, and it it somehow the worst preforming DPS job in the latest extreme fight. It's personal damage is within tank levels, but it is expected to handle adds, on its own, that are tuned for DPS jobs, and it is still at the bottom even with its raid buffs factored in. If we're going to get get more fights like extreme 5, then BRD needs more buffs, and flexibility changes.

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I mean... that DPS check is so low, it doesn't matter whether you do 6% more or less damage (yes, that's the whole spectrum we're talking about here) has absolutely 0 impact on whether you can clear those adds comfortably or not. This is not a balance problem, the check was probably kept intentionally super-relaxed exactly to ensure it won't be.

I'd rather play DNC instead of BRD for EX5. I knew it from the first time that I saw the adds that would be a bad idea to play BRD.

My understanding was MCH only got buffed because it's AOE was so poorly suited for A6S.

But, I fully agree that Machinist is designed as the "baby's first raid job" as it feels tailor made to fit PUGs. It will perform about the same in any fight in any party in competent hands. I freaking love the job fantasy of being a gadgeteer or artificer, so I play it, but the skill ceiling is actually really low.

That said, I really wish the devs would embrace phys. range as the DPS supporter jobs, but Machinist would need to be fully gutted and remade, and I don't know it the devs want to lose the niche they made for it.

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Originally Posted by RedLolly

My understanding was MCH only got buffed because it's AOE was so poorly suited for A6S.

But, I fully agree that Machinist is designed as the "baby's first raid job" as it feels tailor made to fit PUGs. It will perform about the same in any fight in any party in competent hands. I freaking love the job fantasy of being a gadgeteer or artificer, so I play it, but the skill ceiling is actually really low.

That said, I really wish the devs would embrace phys. range as the DPS supporter jobs, but Machinist would need to be fully gutted and remade, and I don't know it the devs want to lose the niche they made for it.

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It would be for the better... IDK if Machinist can exist in a healthy way being into a group where the other 2 outsource their rDPS also outside of the 2min meta. It would be either too good to bench the other two or too weak because how well the support aspect (Songs / Dance Partner) scales.

MCH could live as a damage + debuffer, which could be a niche also filled by a future rPhys, making a parallel with how the other 2 buff their allies (BRD whole party / DNC a single person, for more).

party dps role restrictions should just go away and the dps should be more closely tuned to eachother. Ironically giving people the choice to run without a melee, mranged or p ranged gives individual jobs a better chance to see play. This way we can make machinist closer to actual selfish dps without invalidating bard and dancer because they don't just steal the single p ranged slot.