The new WoW housing blogpost

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com.../news/24221516


Notable features:
- Public Neighborhoods are created as need be, creating new instances by need, so there will never be a full one
- Endeavors: Neighborhood oriented events where the everyone in the neighborhood works together to change its appearance and give it some personality
- Selling your house "saves" it, so whenever you move to a new neighborhood, you can just load it and have it the exact same way as you did.


Hopefully SE can draw some inspiration from this in the future. :D
What do you people think about this and is any of this feasible in FFXIV? :)

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Originally Posted by XtremePrime

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com.../news/24221516


Notable features:
- Public Neighborhoods are created as need be, creating new instances by need, so there will never be a full one
- Endeavors: Neighborhood oriented events where the everyone in the neighborhood works together to change its appearance and give it some personality
- Selling your house "saves" it, so whenever you move to a new neighborhood, you can just load it and have it the exact same way as you did.


Hopefully SE can draw some inspiration from this in the future. :D
What do you people think about this and is any of this feasible in FFXIV? :)

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Sounds like they've just smashed both FFXIV housing and Cosmic Exploration.

I like that it looks like a little Town Square!

We also did gleam of what possibly will be leveling tracks, of which you have to be active in the game in order to unlock the rewards.

That also means they would add seasonal tracks to this, in which you only have a limited time-frame to finish them before the rewards are possibly gone forever.

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Originally Posted by Arrius

We also did gleam of what possibly will be leveling tracks, of which you have to be active in the game in order to unlock the rewards.

That also means they would add seasonal tracks to this, in which you only have a limited time-frame to finish them before the rewards are possibly gone forever.

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Encouraging people to keep playing the actual game to get rewards instead of simply having auto demo ? FFXIV could never

Direct jab at SE. Love it

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Originally Posted by SophiaDL

Encouraging people to keep playing the actual game to get rewards instead of simply having auto demo ? FFXIV could never

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If the rewards are to be kept around when people take breaks for whatever reasons? Yes.
But if those are likely to be 'Be there in season x or possibly lose out on them and we might bring them back a year or so later again, if anything' ?

Then Blizzard can stuff it.

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Originally Posted by Arrius

If the rewards are to be kept around when people take breaks for whatever reasons? Yes.
But if those are likely to be 'Be there in season x or possibly lose out on them and we might bring them back a year or so later again, if anything' ?

Then Blizzard can stuff it.

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Maybe they should make them available for real money later.

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Originally Posted by Arrius

If the rewards are to be kept around when people take breaks for whatever reasons? Yes.
But if those are likely to be 'Be there in season x or possibly lose out on them and we might bring them back a year or so later again, if anything' ?

Then Blizzard can stuff it.

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Yeah FFXIV is so much better selling it for real money later

lmao

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Originally Posted by SophiaDL

Yeah FFXIV is so much better selling it for real money later

lmao

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If you think they wouldn't sell themed packs on top of it, then you don't know them good enough.
Because I know people will buy them.

Look at the 100$+ mounts they cashed out big. And they could do exactly the same with just housing items.

Even if they did, it wouldnt get anywhere near the level of FFXIV's microtransactions so I feel pretty confident

I'm really excited for this. I'm definitely trying out the feature as soon as it becomes available.

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Originally Posted by XtremePrime

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com.../news/24221516


Notable features:
- Public Neighborhoods are created as need be, creating new instances by need, so there will never be a full one
- Endeavors: Neighborhood oriented events where the everyone in the neighborhood works together to change its appearance and give it some personality
- Selling your house "saves" it, so whenever you move to a new neighborhood, you can just load it and have it the exact same way as you did.


Hopefully SE can draw some inspiration from this in the future. :D
What do you people think about this and is any of this feasible in FFXIV? :)

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Direct jab at SE. Love it

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Think the great jab was letting them be able to own TWO houses and have 10k furniture allowance...

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Originally Posted by Arrius

We also did gleam of what possibly will be leveling tracks, of which you have to be active in the game in order to unlock the rewards.

That also means they would add seasonal tracks to this, in which you only have a limited time-frame to finish them before the rewards are possibly gone forever.

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Heaven forbid a game encourages you to play with rewards...Yes I think SE defo has it right with encourage to pay to keep your house

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Originally Posted by Arrius

We also did gleam of what possibly will be leveling tracks, of which you have to be active in the game in order to unlock the rewards.

That also means they would add seasonal tracks to this, in which you only have a limited time-frame to finish them before the rewards are possibly gone forever.

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Blizzard seldom remove content in the same way Square Enix does. WoW's seasonal events aren't updated every year but they do return unlike FFXIV where you're dropping $5 on the cash store for the emote you missed from a 20 minute event quest. Blizzard are also much, much better at adding catch up mechanics to their reputation and renown systems so the early/older ranks will be much easier to earn.

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Originally Posted by Johners

Blizzard seldom remove content in the same way Square Enix does. WoW's seasonal events aren't updated every year but they do return unlike FFXIV where you're dropping $5 on the cash store for the emote you missed from a 20 minute event quest. Blizzard are also much, much better at adding catch up mechanics to their reputation and renown systems so the early/older ranks will be much easier to earn.

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I don't think you guys know what season I refer to.
I don't mean the ones that come annually - I refer to those that cover content patches. Like Mythic+ dungeon/raid/ATOC/Elite PvP/Delve rewards before they are gone with the next big content patch.

I wanna try wow, but it just looks so old and outdated visual-wise tbh. I just don't get the appeal.

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Originally Posted by tsuchii

I wanna try wow, but it just looks so old and outdated visual-wise tbh. I just don't get the appeal.

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It’s not that the graphics are outdated—it’s the specific fantasy or comic book style the game is aiming for. A game doesn’t need realistic visuals to be good. In fact, some titles lose their charm when they switch to realism. Just look at The Settlers—they tried a more realistic look, it didn’t land well, and now they’ve returned to a more stylised, cartoonish aesthetic.

Based on SE's perceived limits, I do not think it is feasible to have a ward for all the characters that have ever been made. Each ward is a server program. I did the maths for that a while ago and based on how many server programs they run per machine, it would require more physical space and machines than they will ever actually have. It may be easier if they used cloud servers for it and only run them if they aren't empty though.

It is definitely feasible to decouple houses from plots so that you can teleport directly inside them somehow, then make wards a reflection of active players that have logged in within 45 days. However, it is possible it would require throwing their house code away and rewriting the entire thing in a way that reuses the house data. It would require a little effort, maybe a day, or a few days, to do something like that, but they just rarely seem to touch their code at all.

Island Sanctuary is proof that they can do it, because it is effectively instanced gardens. On the technical side, it's the same thing as instanced housing. Either way, you have furnishing slots and instances are reserved upon entry, rather than remaining there when you exit like plots.

There's no excuse for "oh legacy" anymore other than neglecting the game, its literally just SE not wanting to re-write anything. They COULD make amazing systems they just dont want to allocate resources to anything non-new.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Based on SE's perceived limits, I do not think it is feasible to have a ward for all the characters that have ever been made. Each ward is a server program. I did the maths for that a while ago and based on how many server programs they run per machine, it would require more physical space and machines than they will ever actually have. It may be easier if they used cloud servers for it and only run them if they aren't empty though.

It is definitely feasible to decouple houses from plots so that you can teleport directly inside them somehow, then make wards a reflection of active players that have logged in within 45 days. However, it is possible it would require throwing their house code away and rewriting the entire thing in a way that reuses the house data. It would require a little effort, maybe a day, or a few days, to do something like that, but they just rarely seem to touch their code at all.

Island Sanctuary is proof that they can do it, because it is effectively instanced gardens. On the technical side, it's the same thing as instanced housing. Either way, you have furnishing slots and instances are reserved upon entry, rather than remaining there when you exit like plots.

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So only problem I see is se's housing wards are basically one map with certain wards decorations loaded or unloaded. The assets are all loaded client side and a housing ward is effectively a long spreadsheet with xyz coordinates, rotational data, and an item code. All wow does is load or unload server space for whenever someone goes into a shard and loads the persons spreadsheet. The individual wards take very little actual data and the server space is reserved and unloaded as required. XIV does a similar thing with instanced content. It would just be loading an instance with a saved spreadsheet of item coordinates. Adding someone to the ward is effectively the same as adding someone else to the common spreadsheet. They take remarkably little space when handled that way.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Based on SE's perceived limits, I do not think it is feasible to have a ward for all the characters that have ever been made. Each ward is a server program. I did the maths for that a while ago and based on how many server programs they run per machine, it would require more physical space and machines than they will ever actually have. It may be easier if they used cloud servers for it and only run them if they aren't empty though.

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It would be a nice use of those cloud servers they tested! (And my server connection was a lot better on the cloud too!)

But I definitely like the look of their version of neighborhoods… before they decided to reclassify the wards, a lot of our FC members got houses close to the FC house. Now our ward is FC only so we can’t do that anymore. Also loving that they have a choice of different biomes within their housing zones. And that your house (and I assume furniture placement?) is saved when you move.

I don’t know that I actually want to play their game, but the housing sure makes it tempting to try out!

They could at least add one thing: an option to completely turn off that stupid housing grind.
Just let everyone build whatever they want without using glitches.
If I want a chair floating in the air or half a wardrobe stuck in the wall, that’s fine.
It would make life so much easier for all housing designers.

Square Enix can't even be asked to moderate these forums, you think they even read shit like this?

Square Enix will just bury their head in the sand, they'll never acknowledge this kind of stuff.

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Originally Posted by Oizen

Square Enix can't even be asked to moderate these forums, you think they even read shit like this?

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lol I remember when they used to reply at suggestions

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

lol I remember when they used to reply at suggestions

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WoW GMs used to be a lot more involved too. Man those were the times. I feel like most mmo companies see direct GM involvement like the old days as a liability. That and the increase in player population leaves them with no end of dumb tickets that amount to nothing more than, "Big daddy Square he said a mean thing about me. My life is ruined and ill never recover." I shit on blizzard and xiv a lot but I won't actually go after them for that.

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Originally Posted by YovelaLindswood

WoW GMs used to be a lot more involved too. Man those were the times. I feel like most mmo companies see direct GM involvement like the old days as a liability. That and the increase in player population leaves them with no end of dumb tickets that amount to nothing more than, "Big daddy Square he said a mean thing about me. My life is ruined and ill never recover." I shit on blizzard and xiv a lot but I won't actually go after them for that.

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Aye, you’re right, but you still feel the need to have a bit of a rant at them, just in case it actually gets through

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Originally Posted by Kunzite_Lockhart

If I want a chair floating in the air or half a wardrobe stuck in the wall, that’s fine.

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We have run through upside down castles, bubbles on the ocean floor, the moon, and the depths of the life stream. We have traveled between realities, time and through the stars to the ends of the universe itself!

But a floating chair is where SE draws the realism line.

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Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia

We have run through upside down castles, bubbles on the ocean floor, the moon, and the depths of the life stream. We have traveled between realities, time and through the stars to the ends of the universe itself!

But a floating chair is where SE draws the realism line.

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Unless it's a mount you're sitting on in your yard.

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Originally Posted by XtremePrime

Hopefully SE can draw some inspiration from this in the future. :D

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SE is struggling to even properly implement their own ideas right now

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Originally Posted by TomsYoungerBro

SE is struggling to even properly implement their own ideas right now

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Everything and anything with them boils down to lack of integrity. They just dont care, they rince and repeat the same system

WoW is cooking FF right now. Never thought I would see them roar back like they have, but here we are. Blizz is crushing SE.