Chaotic Fight Unsync?

So I've still been trying to clear Chaotic a few times a week running parties on Light, which takes quite some time to fill, to still fail on clears. I've made discords to try and get Statics set up and still fall through.

Is there any information that this fight will be Unsyncable in the future? Or the Mount/Armour/Goodies in general have a chance to appear other ways?

I honestly hope not. This happens with savage and extremes and I don't like how it reduces some really good raids into a mindless afk chatroom farm.

It probably wont be unsync.

However due to the sync system, it would get slightly more forgiving over time due to the increase in secondary stats, food effects, and square's tendency to keep buffing jobs.

Probably not, but for the sake of the content they should remove the ilevel synch

Let's hope not.

Most likely, they only don't do this for ultimates

Doubtful it's still fairly recent, and apart from the armor set, you can buy most of the rewards on the MB at high prices, but then again, no one runs it now, so.

I remember there being talk when it first came out that it would one day be 12 man content, having cleared it unsyncing it is the only way I see that happening.

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Originally Posted by Reimmi

Most likely, they only don't do this for ultimates

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And criterion.

Unlikely.

What likely happens to Chaotic will just be they continually release more raids, people get the new shiny feel and will do it until the next patch, then each will steadily fade into obscurity, lifted almost exclusively by Discord groups, and then in 1-2 expansions down the line all of the rewards will just get funneled into newer content like Deep Dungeon v6.0, or Field Operations v5.0.

It does trike me as extremely odd that Chaotic has such a strict iLvl sync, minimum of 710 and max of 735, that's only 25 iLvls of "breathing room", when in terms of gameplay benefit, it is only as relevant as M4S.

If they move it to the Duty Finder at some point, then it should be possible to unsync in 8.0. However if it remains exclusively in the Raid Finder tab of the DF, you'll always have to do it the hard way.

I know this is off topic but..TGC Orlandeau Chaotic when?

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

I honestly hope not. This happens with savage and extremes and I don't like how it reduces some really good raids into a mindless afk chatroom farm.

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Sort of agreed, I wouldn't be interested in doing it in easy mode. I'd rather just wait until it appears in another mind numbing moogle event.

Then again, when I now see someone on a Chaotic or a Savage mount I assume they just doing it to piss casuals off and they are an unpleasant person. It used to be this stuff was a flex and I admired the achievement. Lately I just thought probably a"dick-head" that thinks I should get gud or unsub. And when I see an ultimate weapon, I actually just assume 'probably a cheat'. It's kind of like how I feel when I see a tesla now. Except people who bought a Tesla before Elon revealed he was nasty lunatic don't have choice. High end players do have choice to exercise personal awareness.

Carry on though some people enjoy using any power they have to make people feel even a little bit shit. That's people, you just gotta live with it. The XIV community is nothing special anymore.

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Originally Posted by Gurgeh

Then again, when I now see someone on a Chaotic or a Savage mount I assume they just doing it to piss casuals off and they are an unpleasant person.

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Have you considered, and this may sound insane, that they just think the mount is cool? People are very much allowed to do things for themselves.

More seriously though I'm not sure what to think of it. I thought initially that only Ultimates were content that should remain "pristine" and "out of time" (since they're basically fancy reworks of older content themselves and the hardest difficulty achievable). But now more content gets the same treatment like Criterion... or perhaps Chaotic as well. So what puts those apart from savage and extremes so that they cannot be unsynced? Genuine question.

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Originally Posted by VeyaAkemi

Have you considered, and this may sound insane, that they just think the mount is cool? People are very much allowed to do things for themselves.

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Seriously lmao, I've been using my Shroud mount since I finally got it because I simply want to use the cool mount I ground out 40+ fights for pity tokens, "flexing on casuals" isn't even in my thoughts.
But also the guy you quoted isn't worth engaging with at all, his bit is exhausting.


Also to stay on topic, I agree with what someone said a few posts up - if Chaotic stays in the Raid Finder (which it likely will) then the odds of it being unsyncable are uh... probably zero! Which honestly, is fine, some high-end content should stay as something you need to actually, ykno, practice and learn. You can buy most of the rewards if you don't want to actually learn the fight, and if you want the untradeable loot enough then you can likely find it within yourself to lock in and prog and learn it. There's at least 2 discords I know of that host regular learning parties, there are people out there keeping the content alive and actively really wanting more people to learn it (because it's a fun and pretty well-designed fight!), you just need to actually exert a bit of effort into finding the resources to do the content.
Or you can throw a tantrum about ~discord gatekeeping~ like people in here enjoy doing, and learn nothing, and get no rewards. That works too.

Best thing would be to update the gear iLevel you can buy from it when new crafted gear comes out. They could have updated it to ilvl 745 gear with the new raid tier release but nope.

Also they could do a biweekly changes to what you can buy with the Clouddark Demimateria 1 & 2's. You know, keep the content alive. I'm just glad I got all my clears done and got my mounts because I knew the chaotic would be dead 2-3 months after it's release.

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Originally Posted by Alice_Rivers

I remember there being talk when it first came out that it would one day be 12 man content, having cleared it unsyncing it is the only way I see that happening.

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the raid mechanics require 24 people to soak all the towers.

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Originally Posted by Arohk

the raid mechanics require 24 people to soak all the towers.

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It only requires all 24 to soak the towers without vuln. stacks. If the two person towers only have 1 person, you get 1 vuln. stack and take 50k damage unmitigated for each (200k for each tower with zero people in them), which you would only be able to survive if you can unsync it starting next expansion.

I hope not.

It's not like it will matter when people still can't do this content and fail in the first phase. After months of being released, you can't clear normally because people troll in this one way often or never read guides and don't care but somehow got a clear to join those specific rules raid. As much as I love doing chaotic, it feels like a chore when 8+ parties fail and you waste hours on it for no loot.

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Originally Posted by VeyaAkemi

Have you considered, and this may sound insane, that they just think the mount is cool? People are very much allowed to do things for themselves.

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I agree. I think the point is I've just become so damaged with cynicism. I acknowledge it's pure sad. They might be someone who is just really proud of their first highend mount. The savage equivalent of a sprout.
But my mind now just goes first to, "probably one of those people who wrote my party of as progliars and bailed after 2 pulls, utterly wasting the hour and a half I spent hoping this Chaotic would fill." (sometimes 3 hours)
The whole situation and business is pathetic in the true sense of the word.
It's SE thats torn the community apart.

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Originally Posted by Gurgeh

"probably one of those people who wrote my party of as progliars and bailed after 2 pulls, utterly wasting the hour and a half I spent hoping this Chaotic would fill." (sometimes 3 hours).

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Thats what you get for beign late to the party, everyone knew this was a dead raid once the new content drops.
Nobody needs the gear that drops in there, it looks rather bad except for the tank set.

The fight is a pain in the butt to progg because of how easy you can wipe from mistakes.

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Originally Posted by Arohk

Thats what you get for beign late to the party, everyone knew this was a dead raid once the new content drops.
Nobody needs the gear that drops in there, it looks rather bad except for the tank set.

The fight is a pain in the butt to progg because of how easy you can wipe from mistakes.

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No that was day 3.
I put 5 hours in and netted less than an hour and a halfs playtime. I wasnt doing anything else, it was solid. Pretty easy to be aware of the time.
I got to the end of the day and I just did not feel good.
I had not had fun at all.
In fact I can actually say it was the 2nd worst gaming experience I've ever had.
Made 0 progress further than I made on day 1.
(Skipped day 2. Some culturally insensitive SOB released it over Christmas. Actual Christmas.)
It was late to the race to be fair but the time it was taking 3 hours to queue in. But more like 3 to never.

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Originally Posted by Gurgeh

No that was day 3.
I put 5 hours in and netted less than an hour and a halfs playtime. I wasnt doing anything else, it was solid. Pretty easy to be aware of the time.
I got to the end of the day and I just did not feel good.
I had not had fun at all.
In fact I can actually say it was the 2nd worst gaming experience I've ever had.
Made 0 progress further than I made on day 1.
(Skipped day 2. Some culturally insensitive SOB released it over Christmas. Actual Christmas.)
It was late to the race to be fair but the time it was taking 3 hours to queue in. But more like 3 to never.

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Party Finder could be absolutely brutal for Chaotic, but the fight was worth it. Some of the most fun I've had in FFXIV. Probably helped in my case that Crystal had a lot of parties up for it at the start and Crystal DC culture tends to not have people bail so fast on PF parties. I did do a lot of DC traveling, but making note of the people who put up PFs that I had good experiences with their parties helped too.

The Dais of Darkness is an awesome mount and the Clouddark Armor if Fending is an awesome glam for tanks.

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Originally Posted by Valence

More seriously though I'm not sure what to think of it. I thought initially that only Ultimates were content that should remain "pristine" and "out of time" (since they're basically fancy reworks of older content themselves and the hardest difficulty achievable). But now more content gets the same treatment like Criterion... or perhaps Chaotic as well. So what puts those apart from savage and extremes so that they cannot be unsynced? Genuine question.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOKItaf2khM

Pristine content. And that’s not even 1/3 of all the tools that are available if you dig deep enough.

The problem lies in the content itself, it’s just not fun to do, especially not with forcing 7 (23) other people you don’t really know on you only so that you can get a glowing stick (or whatever is perceived as flex at the moment) in a desperate bid to make other people believe that you’re a big shot in a non-competitive tab target game.

That’s why people will gladly take the end goal without the journey.