Make Zones dangerous!

I remember running around in Final Fantasy 11 and even in Final Fantasy 14 1.0.
You actually had to watch where you run because mobs pulled a threat.
It made the game fun and thrilling.....

Now you can put auto run and dont care what you aggro... YoshyP made this game way to easy and its sad. And he doesnt care.

I like the idea of having threat.

I wouldn't want to be synced down (like with FATEs) in order to have this.

Mobs are only a threat in FFXI when they're around your level. Once you outlevel them they are incredibly weak and don't even aggro unless you hit them first, just like in FFXIV. Furthermore, even if you were to somehow make all mobs in FFXIV very lethal at all levels, it would still be pointless since you can fly right over them.

I agree that the game's overworld should be more interesting but "make every zone Minesweeper" isn't the solution.

If you haven't tried Eureka in Stormblood yet you really should

I agree that dangerous zones are fun. That's why Eureka Pagos was so amazing. Everyone will tell you they hate Pagos, but that's because they don't like it when the open world world can beat them up, because humans like winning.

But considering that humans like winning, making it easy to win is good for SE so obviously they are going to make it trivial. They make field operations and other side content for people that can handle it being tougher.

I think there is a fine line. I agree that some threat would be nice but constantly getting aggro from random mobs is just not very fun.

I mean, every zone until maxed level has dangerous mobs when you're still leveling? I've had to run away from them when I'm just questing early in DT.

The overworld zones barely exist outside of set pieces for MSQ cutscenes. Hunt trains and allied beast society tribe dailies don't exactly add much substance.

oh yeah i remember that from aion.
that was great. very thrilling and also fun. and if it gets too dangerous you had to make a party.

parties... remember when partymember worked together instead of steamrolling everything or just doing their own things seperatly?

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Originally Posted by KupoKupa

If you haven't tried Eureka in Stormblood yet you really should

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I have, I want this to be in the Open world.

Would not mind actually dangerous wildlife.

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Originally Posted by CCheshire

I mean, every zone until maxed level has dangerous mobs when you're still leveling? I've had to run away from them when I'm just questing early in DT.

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Maybe I'm bias as a tank but this made me laugh. I can solo dungeon bosses; I'm hardly concerned about regular mobs in the world and I can get out my chocobo to heal me perpetually while I'm AFK for 60 minutes.

The most dangerous regular enemies I've fought in the open world in FFXIV have been in Heavensward in quest reward gear. There was something about the scaling of everything in that expansion that just hit hard even on a tank and back then we also didn't have all the same tools we have now. Still wasn't likely to kill me but I remember some close calls. The FATEs in Coerthas Western Highlands always hit hard too.

Also, while tanks may survive open world mobs easier, they take way longer to kill them. In many expansions it's been painfully slow for them to die, yet the few times I played as a DPS, it was a very different story and they died really quickly. So DPS don't have to endure the incoming damage for a long time usually. And well healers can heal indefinitely.

congrats you figured it out the game is suppose to be easy, why would yoshi p care when it being easy is the point? this game is for new people to mmo's/video games, and final fantasy.

Unfortunately this is impossible due to the mistake that was adding flying back in Heavensward, and convenience addicts would get mad if they removed it.

I also wish we could bring the ff11 open world feel into ff14.

The only changes they've made up to date regarding open world is to make things more convenient (no longer being slowed if you're hit by something while mounted, fall damage no longer kills) so I have my doubts they'll introduce more dangerous stuff. I wouldn't particularly care since the only reason I head out is for hunt trains or gathering, and for gathering you're invisible to the monsters anyway. Maybe that'd be a new meta: level a gatherer so you can just walk by everything.

All mobs should have enrages where if you pull aggro and ignore it it wipes the zone after a few minutes

I hope when we go to Meracydia, they add some environmental hazards to the open world considering parts of it are an uninhabitable wasteland supposedly.

I hope we head to gobby land again and you randomly have a chance of stepping on a landmine and instantly dying.

Yoshi P couldn’t come up with a zone like Vanilla WoW Felwood even if you gave him 1000 men and a 100 mil budget.

It's not only that everythings a complete pushover but the zones in FF14 also have no soul and no direction.

they could make a few parts on a map you cant fly in or make a cave so you cant fly high enough.

I feel like some of the ARR zones make hints about a more dangerous overworld - for example, the large Peistes outside Little Ala Mhigo, or the Stroper/Morbol elites that are near Haukke Manor in Central Shroud. There's probably a few others dotted around but they seem to have mostly abandoned the idea when you get into the HW areas and onwards. Would've been interesting to have areas of high-level elite enemies guarding areas of respawning treasure, timed nodes or some other scarce resource to incentivise going in, and maybe have the elites scale to the player or average party level so they're always at least somewhat challenging. It's just occured to me that I'm basically describing Heroic areas from SWTOR. Either way, open world psuedo-dungeons would be an interesting idea.

I'm doing Forbidden Land Eureka at the moment (post Stormblood field operation).

If you want the thrill of running past (or weaving between) 20 tightly packed mobs blocking your path, that can kill you in a few hits, do that. It's pretty good content I think, feels dangerous until you reach the max level for the area (and there's 4 areas).

They should actually take a leaf out of this content's book, and in all field area's, have an area with mobs leveled even higher than that area's max. I don't think they really do that (at least no where I'm up to in Stormblood)

Oh and you can't fly in Eureka, so maybe an area in overworld fields with above max level mobs, and you can't fly.

They could introduce Weather effects to make zones different and difficult every time, Like in snowy zones your attack and spell speed be slower, while in heat you start to take damage over time like a passive poison in the area but heatstroke, foggy could decress attack chance possible etc Would make things like more fun and interesting, and make LIGHTNING have a possiblity of striking people who are flying on mounts

As someone who was there for the 2.X-Era Sylphlands....no. never again.

Stuff being a threat while leveling is fine, and there's always Eureka and Bozja for threatening overworld stuff. Fates are fine. But when just crossing a map becomes annoying, the game isn't fun.

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Originally Posted by Sacae

As someone who was there for the 2.X-Era Sylphlands....no. never again.

Stuff being a threat while leveling is fine, and there's always Eureka and Bozja for threatening overworld stuff. Fates are fine. But when just crossing a map becomes annoying, the game isn't fun.

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Says you that it Is fun knowing that anytime you go through a map or zone is a risk, things being annoying can be rather fun, compared to just falling asleep going from point A to B to where it doesn't even matter, the zones have no meaning as it stands. Without friction/annoying things there is 0 purpose in a game existing at all

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Originally Posted by Sacae

As someone who was there for the 2.X-Era Sylphlands....no. never again.

Stuff being a threat while leveling is fine, and there's always Eureka and Bozja for threatening overworld stuff. Fates are fine. But when just crossing a map becomes annoying, the game isn't fun.

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I very much agree. The whole idea is that as we've grown as a fighter, things that were threats when we were baby-fighters are no longer threats. Making it so that the native fauna in a zone we've grown past suddenly gets uber-dangerous to us again, is like forcing a high schooler to go sit in a first grader's desk in a first grade class: you're well beyond that now, and it doesn't fit you anymore.

I *like* that I can run (or better yet, fly) through zones where the monsters are scared now of *me*, where it used to be that I had to be scared of *them*. Usually because I'm passing through with some goal in mind---having to run from monsters there that I've long since outgrown, would be like having to stop your road trip every five minutes for the kids to go to the bathroom: it's annoying, and it vastly increases your travel time.

As you said, there's places where people can go to still get "All of us here want to eat you up," but putting that in the main zones from earlier expansions would be a major annoyance to most people who are just there to travel through, to do a quest, and/or to do some low-level Fates for things like the Yo-kai watch event, or working on some relic weapon quest thingy, or doing the Hunt marks.

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Originally Posted by Bubblesong

Says you that it Is fun knowing that anytime you go through a map or zone is a risk, things being annoying can be rather fun, compared to just falling asleep going from point A to B to where it doesn't even matter, the zones have no meaning as it stands. Without friction/annoying things there is 0 purpose in a game existing at all

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Zones wouldn't gain any more meaning if you made the mobs dangerous. Less so when you can fly, and that's one thing that will never go away on account of how many areas would be outright atrocious to navigate through without flight due to their sheer size.

Sure, if they were to comply with this particular demand, it would be a novelty. But, like novelties are prone to, it would eventually wear off. Then people realizes than, rather than threats, dangerous NPCs are better described as nuisances (when they actually matters, which it wouldn't for most things players do outdoors anyways). And that's assuming SE would do a flawless job at that.

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Originally Posted by BokoToloko

Zones wouldn't gain any more meaning if you made the mobs dangerous. Less so when you can fly, and that's one thing that will never go away on account of how many areas would be outright atrocious to navigate through without flight due to their sheer size.

Sure, if they were to comply with this particular demand, it would be a novelty. But, like novelties are prone to, it would eventually wear off. Then people realizes than, rather than threats, dangerous NPCs are better described as nuisances (when they actually matters, which it wouldn't for most things players do outdoors anyways). And that's assuming SE would do a flawless job at that.

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That why making weather matter as well is important cant fly if lightning is striking you down to the ground :)

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Originally Posted by Bubblesong

...things being annoying can be rather fun...

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Seems like you and I have a completely different definition of the term annoying.

And I really wonder... am I the only one who uses a gatherer as perma stealth to get through any no-fly area with ease? Put 50 mobs in my way, I switch to gatherer and just ride through. So much for a dangerous overworld :D

I think a FATE rework is the solution here. Making it difficult to travel won't go over well with a lot of players, especially with stuff like taking away flying.

Make FATEs more difficult and more interesting instead so that there is some kind of interesting open world content. Players that don't want to deal with them can go around while those interested in participating can join. These FATEs might also have some relevance to the map like influencing the appearance of special vendors or locations.

This could be further expanded with optional open world areas that are meant to be dangerous. Places where the MSQ doesn't necessarily go but has some value for players, like dangerous enemies with better drop rates for useful material. I'd rather have this over the shared FATE system and gems that has you grind mindless FATEs for what feels like an eternity.

That gloom mechanic from PotD (where the sky/air goes red and makes enemies more dangerous) is this implemented anywhere in the overground areas? That would be an interesting addition. Maybe added as weather. There's a kind of gloom in Mor Dhona with funky pink colours but it doesn't do anything.

A dangerous overworld is pointless if there is nothing to do in it.

I remember in WoW once, where I walked into a zone with mobs about ten levels higher than me. I was greeted by a huge number of giant spiders and bears heading my way. It looked like I had pulled the entire zone. I backed out immediately.

Honestly one thing I'd like to see in the main zones to add "danger" are field hazards. If you've ever been in Zadnor, throughout the zone sometimes warships will fly overhead and telegraph big missile strikes on the ground that you obviously need to get away from. They aren't frequent, but they do show up often enough that you have to be aware of them, but they also telegraph with a very loud sound and AOE indicator, and you have plenty of time to react. Stuff like that would be neat to have elsewhere - things like having lightning strikes to occasionally dodge in Heritage Found, or giving you a burn debuff if you step into those allegedly burning pits of ceruleum in Shaaloani. It just seems silly being told about all these various dangerous spots in the world but turns out the risk is to everyone but you, the player. Plus it would mean having to actually be aware of the zones and paying attention as you move around, rather than tunnel visioning from quest marker to quest marker.

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Originally Posted by SamSmoot

I remember in WoW once, where I walked into a zone with mobs about ten levels higher than me. I was greeted by a huge number of giant spiders and bears heading my way. It looked like I had pulled the entire zone. I backed out immediately.

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Was it the Western Plaguelands? Because that happens a lot to new Undead players. We used to call 'em the Welcome Bears.

One of the not so popular opinions on this is that the only way to get the thrilling feeling back with open world mobs, and just to make the open world feel good again in general would likely be to get rid of flying. There is a reason i know the Bozja and Eureka maps so well, and its because i've had to scale every inch of those things. Same goes with FFXI. It makes having unique landmarks and a beautiful landscape worth it, because you actually have to traverse through it. Flying actually kills so much of what makes MMO's great, it kinda sucks.

That said, with the way FFXIV is designed currently, I'd be super annoyed and pissed without it lol. Like can you imagine doing those boring beat tribe fetch quests without the ability to fly and blitz the zone?

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Originally Posted by Miguel85NYC

I remember running around in Final Fantasy 11 and even in Final Fantasy 14 1.0.
You actually had to watch where you run because mobs pulled a threat.
It made the game fun and thrilling.....

Now you can put auto run and dont care what you aggro... YoshyP made this game way to easy and its sad. And he doesnt care.

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I'm torn the whole server is basically just a waiting area. 14 outside of the first time in the zone there's very little reason to be in most zones, so them becoming harder just becomes more of an annoyance. Now if areas worked like bozja etc then I would agree :)

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

I agree that dangerous zones are fun. That's why Eureka Pagos was so amazing. Everyone will tell you they hate Pagos, but that's because they don't like it when the open world world can beat them up, because humans like winning.

But considering that humans like winning, making it easy to win is good for SE so obviously they are going to make it trivial. They make field operations and other side content for people that can handle it being tougher.

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Loved Pagos even pre nerf although the spawn rate could have used adjusting.

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

I'm torn the whole server is basically just a waiting area. 14 outside of the first time in the zone there's very little reason to be in most zones, so them becoming harder just becomes more of an annoyance. Now if areas worked like bozja etc then I would agree :)

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Some people are mad about the mobile game but like 14 kinda already plays like one in many aspects lol. Sit in hub spot, and queue for a piece of content.