Dawntrail's dungeon design has been questionable.

I really think Square Enix should try something new. I know its a risk and the company is protected by a lot of "toxic positivity" and people who genuinely seem to enjoy the status quo but the declining player numbers shows that the game may benefit from some changes.

Firstly, the 1st thing is trash pulls, what are the point of them exactly? The tank just runs off and pulls them all in one go and either out-sustains their damage (Warrior/Paladin) or doesn't and dies, causing a wipe. Are trash pulls really required with the way dungeons are run today?

Secondly, dungeons with more then 3 bosses might add a bit of variety to the game. This has been a bugbear of mine since ARR, you have these wonderful designs and aesthetics (The Burn being my favourite dungeon in the game) and you follow it up with the same amount of trash mobs followed by a boss (in a circular or square arena) followed by another trash wave, rinse repeat.

There has to be something more interesting?

Thirdly, does Square Enix know how to do any other boss mechanics then overlapping damage AOE on the floor, requiring DDR-moves to dodge it? There never seems to be much in the way of engaging mechanics and I think this design choice is mainly the reason that healers have become completely pointless in the game as players can just avoid all damage and the DPS/Tank can self-heal for any mandatory damage that is incoming.

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I really think Square Enix should try something new. I know its a risk and the company is protected by a lot of "toxic positivity" and people who genuinely seem to enjoy the status quo but the declining player numbers shows that the game may benefit from some changes.

Firstly, the 1st thing is trash pulls, what are the point of them exactly? The tank just runs off and pulls them all in one go and either out-sustains their damage (Warrior/Paladin) or doesn't and dies, causing a wipe. Are trash pulls really required with the way dungeons are run today?

Secondly, dungeons with more then 3 bosses might add a bit of variety to the game. This has been a bugbear of mine since ARR, you have these wonderful designs and aesthetics (The Burn being my favourite dungeon in the game) and you follow it up with the same amount of trash mobs followed by a boss (in a circular or square arena) followed by another trash wave, rinse repeat.

There has to be something more interesting?

Thirdly, does Square Enix know how to do any other boss mechanics then overlapping damage AOE on the floor, requiring DDR-moves to dodge it? There never seems to be much in the way of engaging mechanics and I think this design choice is mainly the reason that healers have become completely pointless in the game as players can just avoid all damage and the DPS/Tank can self-heal for any mandatory damage that is incoming.

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Agree strongly with these points, with a couple of caveats.

I think intra-boss mobs are important, simply for giving a sense of purposeful motion through the dungeon. The problem is, as you note, they've been reduced to a formulaic "round 'em up, mow 'em down" recipe. I guess this predictability helps those whose desire is to run dungeons as rapidly as possible, but it's basically ignoring a massive potential area of design space. Mini-bosses and adds with more interesting mechanics would add a lot of needed interest.

Similarly, boss mechanics are also completely formulaic. Fast-paced, AoE dodgeball may be decent prep for EX+ (probably SE's intention in their continued effort to funnel more players into the content the devs apparently enjoy), but in terms of varied dungeon design it's an absolute disaster. Running a new dungeon for the first time, the only unknown is whether the boss arenas will be squares or circles.

Those creating video guides must be pretty bored of repeating "the first mechanic is a raid-wide, healers be ready..."

I agree with you, maybe intra-boss mobs are important but I feel that FFXIV doesn't use them very effectively. I end up yo-yoing in and out of the game because I really want to love this game (I am a huge fan of FF7 - 10) but the dungeon design just feels it is lacking something other MMO's have, some kind of spontaneity and a sense of adventure.

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I agree with you, maybe intra-boss mobs are important but I feel that FFXIV doesn't use them very effectively. I end up yo-yoing in and out of the game because I really want to love this game (I am a huge fan of FF7 - 10) but the dungeon design just feels it is lacking something other MMO's have, some kind of spontaneity and a sense of adventure.

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Quite so. Elements that were done far better in ARR. I guess the min-maxers don't care for that sort of thing.

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I think this design choice is mainly the reason that healers have become completely pointless in the game as players can just avoid all damage and the DPS/Tank can self-heal for any mandatory damage that is incoming.

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Jobs are not balanced around easy content, dungeons are designed in a way that even the bottom of the barrel of players can clear them.

We have already seen what happened here because DT dungeons are marginaly more difficult than dungeons before.

I've never really understood Square Enix's desire to make mandatory dungeon/trails content part of the MSQ in the first place. I mean you can really get into a flow with the MSQ and bam, brick wall dungeon or trial and it slows down your progress for a bit. I understand that they need to be designed in a way that even bottom of the barrel players can clear them but that seems to make them rather dull and repetitive by sticking to that formula. Would it not make more sense to take them out of the MSQ entirely and allow them to stay optional levelling content so they can design more interesting and varied dungeons?

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I've never really understood Square Enix's desire to make mandatory dungeon/trails content part of the MSQ in the first place. I mean you can really get into a flow with the MSQ and bam, brick wall dungeon or trial and it slows down your progress for a bit. I understand that they need to be designed in a way that even bottom of the barrel players can clear them but that seems to make them rather dull and repetitive by sticking to that formula. Would it not make more sense to take them out of the MSQ entirely and allow them to stay optional levelling content so they can design more interesting and varied dungeons?

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I think MSQ dungeons/trials can be both easy and interesting. SE is currently failing on both counts by making them faster with more AoE overlap, while at the same time preserving a monothematic design.

It really feels like the whole design process is fitting different boss and add rigs into a rigid template. That's a recipe for boredom.

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I really think Square Enix should try something new. I know its a risk and the company is protected by a lot of "toxic positivity" and people who genuinely seem to enjoy the status quo but the declining player numbers shows that the game may benefit from some changes.

Firstly, the 1st thing is trash pulls, what are the point of them exactly? The tank just runs off and pulls them all in one go and either out-sustains their damage (Warrior/Paladin) or doesn't and dies, causing a wipe. Are trash pulls really required with the way dungeons are run today?

Secondly, dungeons with more then 3 bosses might add a bit of variety to the game. This has been a bugbear of mine since ARR, you have these wonderful designs and aesthetics (The Burn being my favourite dungeon in the game) and you follow it up with the same amount of trash mobs followed by a boss (in a circular or square arena) followed by another trash wave, rinse repeat.

There has to be something more interesting?

Thirdly, does Square Enix know how to do any other boss mechanics then overlapping damage AOE on the floor, requiring DDR-moves to dodge it? There never seems to be much in the way of engaging mechanics and I think this design choice is mainly the reason that healers have become completely pointless in the game as players can just avoid all damage and the DPS/Tank can self-heal for any mandatory damage that is incoming.

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I wholeheartedly agree but I'd even suggest to crank up the care put behind adds and trash phases. We already have bosses everywhere. Raids and trials have become nothing but bosses (on circular platforms), everything in this game is about bosses, bosses bosses and as you say, not even interesting at that because they'll all about binary DDR. Looking at what we have lost in terms of storytelling and diversity after coils/alex when they decided to entirely remove everything that wasn't a boss, I really, really don't wish that on dungeons.

Boss design needs to be reviewed, but trash even more so, and Criterion has shown that they are perfectly capable of designing interesting trash phases. They can just make them easier since dungeons are casual content, that's about it.

Thank you for your comment. Its a real shame because I really wanted to love this expansion, the music this expansion in my opinion has been better then Endwalker (I was getting tired of constant grunge-rock and other types of rock) and there have been some absolute bangers this expansion (Mid-Boss Dawntrail being my favourite generic boss theme in the series and Vanguard's theme was absolute fire with the techno beats. Haven't enjoyed a dungeon theme so much since The Twinning).

However the bosses and dungeons themselves have been a let down because its more of the same. You have no idea how excited I was when I unlocked Alexandria (being a MASSIVE FFIX fan) but it was just more of the same generic DDR-based slop I've seen over and over again. Even the raid bosses have been boring and to be honest, a little cringy (Honey B Love as an example). It is a real shame. I agree that there should be a place for trash but since all tanks do is wall to wall pulling, it just makes the whole exercise pointless because the trash is never a threat.

The last few weeks I read a lot of Forum posts and it feels that a majorety of players do not like the direction this game is heading.
I had a post myself wanting to disgus how mob pulls and bosses in general could be inproved but to be realistic. Doing so would need the devs to rework to much of the game and they would never do that.
Meanwhile Job design gets more and more boring to the point were it all feels like 1 homogen mush to play pick you colore.
A friend of mine sayed FF 14 is a good visual novel interupted with average to bad time waster. The emphasis most players seem to have is Stormblood peaked in design while others say it was good but they prefear Heavensward or even ARR. It was rather clear in these posts that the majorety who got to expirience the design of past content are not satesfied with current design choices at all.

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The last few weeks I read a lot of Forum posts and it feels that a majorety of players do not like the direction this game is heading.
I had a post myself wanting to disgus how mob pulls and bosses in general could be inproved but to be realistic. Doing so would need the devs to rework to much of the game and they would never do that.
Meanwhile Job design gets more and more boring to the point were it all feels like 1 homogen mush to play pick you colore.
A friend of mine sayed FF 14 is a good visual novel interupted with average to bad time waster. The emphasis most players seem to have is Stormblood peaked in design while others say it was good but they prefear Heavensward or even ARR. It was rather clear in these posts that the majorety who got to expirience the design of past content are not satesfied with current design choices at all.

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I think the main problem I have with dungeons is how many times Square Enix falls back on the same tired formula of avoid stuff on floor, get out of orange box or some arbitrary mechanic that insta-kills you if you miss something for a variety of reasons. The game hardly warns you and insta-kill one-shot mechanics are so overused it makes all the dungeons feel cheap and a slog to get through, even when you've out-levelled them. This wouldn't be an issue if you only had to do them once but there are so many times, just speaking from my perspective where I log in and I don't want to progress into endgame because of how stressful constantly dodging one-shots are.

i think the problem with dungeons is that they aren't really dungeons, they are a linear path with the formula <trash> <boss><trash><boss>

I don't like to compare ff to Wow overly much, because it always descends into which is better, but with dungeons, I like how Wow does them, they are enormous and often have multiple routes. Some have dungeon-centric quests, some have gathering points. But the central thing is you can choose. They are varied beyond just the aesthetic or art style.

FFXIV's are a long corridor and I think CBU3 Mistakes people moaning about dungeons like old toto rak, Aurum vale, as never do it again. Rather than were gonna moan, but they aren't that bad.

The second issue is that the job design isn't great and syncing is an abhorrent experience. No one wants to play earlier versions because the max level jobs are bare bones as it is.

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Thank you for your comment. Its a real shame because I really wanted to love this expansion, the music this expansion in my opinion has been better then Endwalker (I was getting tired of constant grunge-rock and other types of rock) and there have been some absolute bangers this expansion (Mid-Boss Dawntrail being my favourite generic boss theme in the series and Vanguard's theme was absolute fire with the techno beats. Haven't enjoyed a dungeon theme so much since The Twinning).

However the bosses and dungeons themselves have been a let down because its more of the same. You have no idea how excited I was when I unlocked Alexandria (being a MASSIVE FFIX fan) but it was just more of the same generic DDR-based slop I've seen over and over again. Even the raid bosses have been boring and to be honest, a little cringy (Honey B Love as an example). It is a real shame. I agree that there should be a place for trash but since all tanks do is wall to wall pulling, it just makes the whole exercise pointless because the trash is never a threat.

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So much agree. I find normal raids more of a challenge than I'd like anyway on cycle, but I abandoned the current series because everything about it aesthetically just grated. I understand that "fantasy" is not limited to dragons and underground caves with dripping, mossy walls, but this complete capitulation to teenage anime is just too much for me.

I have to be honest though, in my opinion Dawntrail has had the weakest dungeon and raid roster of any expansion so far. It may just be the increase in difficulty that puts me off them but a lot of them feel like an ADHD fever dream. Reaction times to mechanics have been severely reduced I feel this expansion which is a shame if you have mediocre muscle memory or can only focus on one thing at a time. I do not mind wiping to a boss on occasion and I've now finished all the Dawntrail dungeons on normal. I can honestly say that none of them have been particularly fun, with the exception of the last boss of Yuweyawata Field Station because that boss didn't feel cheap and was challenging in a fun way as it required interesting coordination and direction management.

I mean, we had Sigmascape, Crystal Tower etc (which people might think is pandering to nostalgia a lot) but it was an amazing experience. Battling Kefka (To a MASTERFUL modernisation of Dancing Mad) really doesn't compare to an anime girl dressed up like a bee, does it? One is clearly on another level to another.

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The emphasis most players seem to have is Stormblood peaked in design while others say it was good but they prefear Heavensward or even ARR. It was rather clear in these posts that the majorety who got to expirience the design of past content are not satesfied with current design choices at all.

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Because we're not really wanted anymore and aren't part of the new SB/ShB+ core audience. It's adapt or die at this point.

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Because we're not really wanted anymore and aren't part of the new SB/ShB+ core audience. It's adapt or die at this point.

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I think this is right. It seems SE has determined that the raiding community is sufficiently satisfied with current design choices that they just keep slotting new graphics into the same template. MSQ dungeons are just the kiddie version.

At first sight this may appear to be a mistake given the financial importance of NA and the fact raiding is a minority activity. But a few years ago when I paid more attention to these things, the conventional wisdom was NA (and EU?) in all MMOs basically maintains "acceptable" numbers through new player churn.

I like to watch often content about Games (MMOs too) who have failed and why. And a Problem that keeps poping up again and again is a Product designed to appeal to everyone, ends up appealing to no one. And this is what I have to always think when some one sayes Black Mage is now so much more accesible to unskilled players. Firstly you should never lower the standards to make it more accesible for people who cannot be bothered to put in any effort, secondly we now have the job that is piss easy to play and gives out big damage numbers playable by even by a cat... so the tourists will have there way with it and once something new with bigger numbers will pop up now one will stick to it and then the Devs will wonder where are all the mains?

In the end Gameplay and Jobidentity is sacreficed for encounter designe which gives you the feeling the Devs want us all to see Savage and Ultimate content the be all and end all of Gameplay, I for one couldn´t care less for this typ of content.
And with the lackluster reception of Dawntrails story not even that keeps people in the game anymore. I can certainly say once my playtime runs out I will not renew it and the only lament I have that I never got to see this game in it´s glory days when Jobs were not this!

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I like to watch often content about Games (MMOs too) who have failed and why. And a Problem that keeps poping up again and again is a Product designed to appeal to everyone, ends up appealing to no one. And this is what I have to always think when some one sayes Black Mage is now so much more accesible to unskilled players. Firstly you should never lower the standards to make it more accesible for people who cannot be bothered to put in any effort, secondly we now have the job that is piss easy to play and gives out big damage numbers playable by even by a cat... so the tourists will have there way with it and once something new with bigger numbers will pop up now one will stick to it and then the Devs will wonder where are all the mains?

In the end Gameplay and Jobidentity is sacreficed for encounter designe which gives you the feeling the Devs want us all to see Savage and Ultimate content the be all and end all of Gameplay, I for one couldn´t care less for this typ of content.
And with the lackluster reception of Dawntrails story not even that keeps people in the game anymore. I can certainly say once my playtime runs out I will not renew it and the only lament I have that I never got to see this game in it´s glory days when Jobs were not this!

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Correct, because if everybody engaged with that sort of content (never going to happen), it would make the devs task so much easier. It greatly reduces content droughts if everyone wants the same thing from a game. Unfortunately, SE has this completely backwards by emphasizing EX+, which is never going to appeal to the bulk of the NA/EU player base unless 75% of them leave.

Yeah, I feel sorry for Black Mages who have spent 10+ years honing their skill with that job. Personally it never appealed to me because of the Astral Fire and Umbral Ice switch mechanic. I could never get the hang of it but that's "Ok", not every class appeals to everyone. What annoys me is how much people slag off my main class (White Mage) for being "basic". I like the class BECAUSE it has few gimmicks and is straightforward, not every class should require you to do a MENSA puzzle in order to play the game effectively. (I also liked Yuna, Garnet and Aerith in the classic FF so the class appealed to me anyway). If Black Mages want their class to be challenging and the way it was, then that's fine... I don't want to play Dark Souls because my reaction time is bad but I won't demand From Software lower the game's mechanics and difficulty to appeal to me.

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Yeah, I feel sorry for Black Mages who have spent 10+ years honing their skill with that job. Personally it never appealed to me because of the Astral Fire and Umbral Ice switch mechanic. I could never get the hang of it but that's "Ok", not every class appeals to everyone. What annoys me is how much people slag off my main class (White Mage) for being "basic". I like the class BECAUSE it has few gimmicks and is straightforward, not every class should require you to do a MENSA puzzle in order to play the game effectively. (I also liked Yuna, Garnet and Aerith in the classic FF so the class appealed to me anyway). If Black Mages want their class to be challenging and the way it was, then that's fine... I don't want to play Dark Souls because my reaction time is bad but I won't demand From Software lower the game's mechanics and difficulty to appeal to me.

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Honestly a lot of the complaints against WHM more come from the perspective of the fact that it actively makes the other healers job harder because WHM is so antithetical to 14’s healer design that WHM makes the shield healers job harder

I have no problem with WHM in a vacuum in terms of it existing for other players (I still don’t like it at all and think it has a history of negatively affecting the other healers) but it really can negatively affect the other healer

(Sorry I know this isn’t really on topic)

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Honestly a lot of the complaints against WHM more come from the perspective of the fact that it actively makes the other healers job harder because WHM is so antithetical to 14’s healer design that WHM makes the shield healers job harder

I have no problem with WHM in a vacuum in terms of it existing for other players (I still don’t like it at all and think it has a history of negatively affecting the other healers) but it really can negatively affect the other healer

(Sorry I know this isn’t really on topic)

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No, that's a fair comment. White Mage does feel antithetical to FFXIV's design, we have a lot of "Emergency Heal" but don't really offer much else whereas Astrologian has damage buffs and Scholar has barriers etc. Personally, I think White Mage should have higher damage potential then other healers, so can do more personal DPS then other healers because we have "Holy", an extremely powerful spell in Classic Final Fantasy. I'd like to see White Mage be given more damage options or buffs to party members (Something like Aerith's "Planet Protector" from FF7) because its clear at this stage that Square Enix are not interested in redesigning content to make healers relevant again.

It's funny because even in the FF7 Remake, Aerith is much less of a healer then she was in the original, she's more of a support/dpser now in the remake so this design philosophy is not unique to just FFXIV. Square Enix seem to have a problem with healers in general (probably because they take away from flashy damage numbers).

(Blood Lilly is a nice gimmick but it does not come round fast enough to be a viable damage option and Astrologian kinda stole that uniqueness with Oracle)

In my humble opinion Healer Jobs in general are to bloated in the healing Department. I as White Mage main have healing skills I nearly never use simply because there is rearly ever a need for them. The Simplest fix I would suggest in that department would be to bring back Cleric stance I heard old game design has.
To take a dip in healing potency in exchange of getting a short time Damage Buff. I would even add to it that by activating Cleric stance some of your Healing action could be Modified to be offensiv actions, for example Imagine Asylum instead of giving healing ticks to other players acting like an oversized version of Dark Knights Salted earth damaging all enemies coming in contact with it.
By tying this damage buff and attacks to a switch button would also give freedom to new players who do not feel secure letting go of there potent healing kit, while experienced Healers get some options to support the team in the damage department.

Because first lesson of a Healer, your job is it to keep the party alive... best way to archive that is by taking out everything that could do harm in the first place.

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i think the problem with dungeons is that they aren't really dungeons, they are a linear path with the formula <trash> <boss><trash><boss>

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Agreed. I think the fight designs have been generally good this expansion but the dungeon itself always being hallway/arena/hallway/repeat still makes the overall experience a bit dull. It would be nice if they could shake things up with the layouts. I remember WoW had one dungeon where you were in a room of prison cells and the bosses would be prisoners busting out of their cell. Stuff like that helps add variety and flavor.

The current state of job design doesn't help matters either. With interesting jobs even fighting trash can still feel engaging, but right now the jobs barely require you to be awake to perform their rotation.

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Agreed. I think the fight designs have been generally good this expansion but the dungeon itself always being hallway/arena/hallway/repeat still makes the overall experience a bit dull. It would be nice if they could shake things up with the layouts. I remember WoW had one dungeon where you were in a room of prison cells and the bosses would be prisoners busting out of their cell. Stuff like that helps add variety and flavor.

The current state of job design doesn't help matters either. With interesting jobs even fighting trash can still feel engaging, but right now the jobs barely require you to be awake to perform their rotation.

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I disagree. The fight design is driving the game off a cliff. It's easy to understand this if you look at how class design has been happening. A fight comes out, classes have trouble doing the fight, classes change to fit the fight. New fight comes out, classes have trouble with the fight, classes change to fit the fight.

It's actually such a huge meme that you can exactly predict what will happen in future fights based on what buffs classes get. For example, esuna being instant is a direct response to chaotic's 4 second doom. Classes got massive aoes right before arenas became massive. When classes aren't buffed, like BLM not having enough movement in all of endwalker, fight design kept getting more movement and eventually BLM fell in line because no one was playing it or the fights got so stupid the devs were forced to deal with it.

There's a lot of problems, but the big one is the devs have this idea in their head that every job must do every mechanic equally. So every fight is just full of identical mechanics. "The boss is doing a donut, time to run in. Oh look, the donut is now a donut hole, time to run out. Oh look, we gave everyone a ton of movement. Time to make it more than a single wiggle can solve, more movement for all!"

This is also being combined with making fights progressively faster and faster to the point where the game's netcode can't keep up, so sucks if you're on even normal ping from east to west coast! But healing gameplay is just getting more frustrating while still being boring, and tanking gameplay is a binary pass-fail still, just with more oGCDs you need to press.

Frankly, the fight design shows the devs don't understand what the problem with the game's gameplay actually is.

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I disagree. The fight design is driving the game off a cliff. It's easy to understand this if you look at how class design has been happening. A fight comes out, classes have trouble doing the fight, classes change to fit the fight. New fight comes out, classes have trouble with the fight, classes change to fit the fight.

It's actually such a huge meme that you can exactly predict what will happen in future fights based on what buffs classes get. For example, esuna being instant is a direct response to chaotic's 4 second doom. Classes got massive aoes right before arenas became massive. When classes aren't buffed, like BLM not having enough movement in all of endwalker, fight design kept getting more movement and eventually BLM fell in line because no one was playing it or the fights got so stupid the devs were forced to deal with it.

There's a lot of problems, but the big one is the devs have this idea in their head that every job must do every mechanic equally. So every fight is just full of identical mechanics. "The boss is doing a donut, time to run in. Oh look, the donut is now a donut hole, time to run out. Oh look, we gave everyone a ton of movement. Time to make it more than a single wiggle can solve, more movement for all!"

This is also being combined with making fights progressively faster and faster to the point where the game's netcode can't keep up, so sucks if you're on even normal ping from east to west coast! But healing gameplay is just getting more frustrating while still being boring, and tanking gameplay is a binary pass-fail still, just with more oGCDs you need to press.

Frankly, the fight design shows the devs don't understand what the problem with the game's gameplay actually is.

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I agree with the assessment but I'm pretty sure the devs are perfectly aware of what they've been doing. Even for the BLM reworks I have so many friends that are happy with it (including raiders), and for the fight design it's no different. There is also people unhappy with it but they all have left the game by now. It's why I do feel that the devs are just dead set on a vision they do have, but it comes at the cost of a fracture in the community. All of what they've been doing so far has generated a lot of heated debates and bitterness everywhere I've looked, and it's not getting any better.

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I agree with the assessment but I'm pretty sure the devs are perfectly aware of what they've been doing. Even for the BLM reworks I have so many friends that are happy with it (including raiders), and for the fight design it's no different. There is also people unhappy with it but they all have left the game by now. It's why I do feel that the devs are just dead set on a vision they do have, but it comes at the cost of a fracture in the community. All of what they've been doing so far has generated a lot of heated debates and bitterness everywhere I've looked, and it's not getting any better.

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Which is why it will be a critical mass thing. People will grumble and gnash teeth until, all at once, the population will drop off a cliff. This happened once before in HW when the devs shocked the community by making every class way too hard to play, designed gordias with god mode, overtuned the damage, broke the game because of server ticks, and combined it with a 1 month vacation for the devs.

I'm all in favor of giving the devs a break, they just really shouldn't let off the entire dev team on an expansion release where things can, and did, go horrifically wrong. Because HW almost literally killed FFXIV off. Again. The best design FFXIV has ever had came as a direct result of overreacting to HW breaking the game. Stormblood. And if people can see stormblood-styled class and fight design, I feel people would prefer that even over 7.2's fast gameplay, especially those, like me, who have netcode-related issues.