State of Machinist 7.2

A simple understanding of Final Fantasy and raiding will be needed here as a heads up.

Machinist at the moment is unplayable or lets word it as, a "fine" option in party finder due to players not performing at their best.

But looking at machinist from a General View as a longer term machinist player, we just do not get what we want whatsoever. Not just Serenaya tried reaching the understanding of SE but many more. And I think I speak for all Machinist players here.

Problem: To begin with the first issue, Machinist personal damage is not really what you would expect from a selfish dps, it's too low. Sure we may get a potency adjustment here and there (or another 600 potency skill), but the general fact will stay that machinist will never be a good dps unless its changed in some way. And if its not good at selfish dps, give it a raid tool.

Suggestion: My Idea for a **Possible** solution is a mini rework for dismantle in a way. Dismantle is a very under used skill in my opinion, yeah sure some may say "I use it this much, wah wah" but with tact being 90 seconds and having the whole team ready with mitigations most of the time it just doesn't show as much value. My Idea here is reworking it into a Dokumori like skill, giving the raid 5% more damage to the target for like 20 seconds or so.
Not only would it clear up some issues Machinist has with damage, but it would make it be somewhat on par with Dancer and Bard which outperform it completely at the moment.


Other issues being, Wildfire.
My idea for Wildfire would be tweaking the Potency numbers a bit and making a crit skill so it profits from skills like Battle Litany or Chain Stratagem. Which would again, result in machinist being able to keep up better with the other 2 ranged dps jobs.
On top of that give Wildfire an AoE drop off and not just a single target skill.
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Besides that I still think machinist is a great and well designed job (for the fun in the gameplay) with its own ups and downs. Like any other job. The kit is fun and gameplay overall is very proactive.

I just wanted to give your thread some more visibility. MCH is the most overlooked job in the game! Please adjust area attacks skills into the MCH into the overcharge combos. It appears like one person worked on single target, and another person worked on group targets. Flamethrower and Bioblaster barely matter. Auto crossbow doesn't look or feel good. The single target rotation is fun. Just give a mild amount of potency please.

List of major contribution/balance grievances (may not be exhaustive):

1. Damage is too low, party contribution feels bad.
2. Ranged physical is in the website description a buffing and support job, where MCH is sorely lacking. The loss of party raid buff is especially felt strongly on a job that is afflicted by the ranged tax, preventing it to either 1) fully take advantage of other raid buffs in the party or 2) fully take advantage of the big selfish DPS jobs like BLM/SAM or just any melees with its own raid buffs that it doesn't have.
3. WF should deal AoE damage like in pvp.
4. Autocrossbow should recharge double check and checkmate.
5. Battery has no AoE option, while battery generators like Chainsaw are AoE. Give AoE at least on Crown Collider.
6. Dismantle isn't as strong as it used to be for two reasons: all jobs have way more mitigation than in HW, and it stacks badly with diminishing result in a sea of mitigation on big attacks.

List of identity grievances (may not be exhaustive):

1. Decap the total Wildfire amount of compiled weaponskills. It is currently capped at 6 for no reason, where you can imagine interesting techs like double Hypercharges back to back with no intermediary filler GCD, which could allow to reach 7 GCD WFs and make room for more skilled play. Or just bring back old Wildfire and make it work like it used to by compiling every damage done under it (like current pvp Death Warrant), this would allow for very interesting theorycraft of what to put inside, and not just stupidly tie it to hypercharges.
2. The job could get access back to raid buffs, which can be tied to various ideas like dismantle (acting like old hypercharge/ninja).
3. The job lacks interesting filler and relies too much on hypercharge mindless spamm. Reintroduce older heat management, and/or bring back ammo to manage.
4. Flamethrower has been buffed to be viable, but it's really not interesting to use and doesn't interact well with the kit still.
5. Bring back bishop autoturret to make up for the loss of dismantle on party support. Make it work like in pvp with the pulsating shield.
6. Introduce more flavor to differentiate all tools between each other (Drill, Anchor, etc).
7. Introduce more flavor to differentiate between checkmate and double check.

Not a MCH main, but just adding that the Ammo system was a lot of fun back in HW/SB. I wish they'd kept it.

While I had no issue clearing Recollection extreme as a MCH, the job still is neglected by the devs.
It seems to be worse in the JP DC's. They're basically locking the job from duties and it's a stigma as "weakest DPS". Well that's the hearsay.

It's sad but first rumors appear, MCH DPS is not enough to clear Suzaku Unreal?

Honestly, just give MCH walking casts like it does in PVP, and let it deal comparable damage to like BLM, SAM, and VPR. No need for a raid buff.

Also forgot to add (I knew I forgot something major), MCH's damage profile has been leveled pretty hard in ShB with the rework. 40-50% of its damage used to be crammed inside WF. Just going back to this fundamental core identity that the job had would play a lot better in the current 2min burst meta ironically, and also help the job shine more in downtime fights like ultimates.

My suggestion ive had for a while now was adding an icrease to crit and direct hit damage dealt when barrel stabilizer is used since you kinda have to use it during burst windows now since theres a limited amount of time to use the hypercharge anyway

Are they afraid we wouldn't play melee DPS if they made the damage the same?

Because in reality, mechanics are designed for 2 melee and 2 ranged, so we'd still set PF to that and actually be more likely to do so if the damage was closer. They could give a 1% tax but the scale of the difference at the moment seems wrong.

Plus, we have the "5%" bonus which would motivate us to take both melee and ranged. Which we are likely to ignore when they tax the damage way too much on ranged jobs.

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Originally Posted by Sparkling_Aria

My suggestion ive had for a while now was adding an icrease to crit and direct hit damage dealt when barrel stabilizer is used since you kinda have to use it during burst windows now since theres a limited amount of time to use the hypercharge anyway

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I've always thought phys ranged as a role should have the most control over when their attacks crit/dh like as if they know how to aim their attack to maximize their damage potential.

Imagine a world where melees are behind by 5-10% but still taken because of a melee tax.

The only possible fix is a raid buff, unless SE decides to push MCH's median rDPS 5% above the other two physical ranged jobs. But that’s not going to happen, as they’ve been strictly following the same formula to balance this role for over five years now.

Another thing is backward approach to aoe. Hell yeah lets nerf your base aoe and buff the splash aoe of level 90+ skills! Surely it wont affect older content!

If anything, machinist needed straight buffs to both aoe and single target. Aoe kit needs more interaction with itself (Flamethrower with bioblaster is a no brainer, autocrossbow and checkmate/double check is something people begged for ever since i remember).

My understanding is that they wanted to make scattergun a gain on 3 instead of 2. How about buffing 123 combo instead of nerfing scattergun? Boost in single target capabilities in raids where it was lacking and protect its place in aoe heavy content?

I agree on the whole problematic that MCH has right now.

Not enough damage, No buff to the team (Aside from defense), poor AoE option (Battery doesn't give you anything to Burst AoE and Crossbow suck to be frank)

My suggestion would be to transform Flamethrower into the "PvP snipper". Surely a bullet from such a caliber would penetrate hard and put big target on Vulnerability right ?

With the removal of Flamethrower, we just have to readjust other AoE option too. Making Crossbow refreshing cooldown on the two oGCD to really have something amazing and a true AoE Burst. WF as AoE could also be a really good option.

I think Machinist, lorewise, should be able to found a target's Weakspot. Their is plenty of room to do stuff with MCH in order to make it far better.

Also gonna point out that anyone asking for MCH to get a raidbuff are asking for more job 'homogenization.'

Can't wait for another "We got chu, we got chu! Smol potency bump for final raid tier". Like always. They're so stubborn about MCH.

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Originally Posted by mallleable

Also gonna point out that anyone asking for MCH to get a raidbuff are asking for more job 'homogenization.'

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Well, their mit buff got homogenized first.

Anyway, the problem is that they're applying a "ranged tax" to their DPS compared to all classes at as a whole, and not a "ranged tax" to what they are: a selfish DPS class. If they're going to have a "ranged tax," it should be compared to SAM, VPR, BLM, not compared to "every other type of role." But they don't think, so.

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Originally Posted by mallleable

Honestly, just give MCH walking casts like it does in PVP, and let it deal comparable damage to like BLM, SAM, and VPR. No need for a raid buff.

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While I'm not a machinist main, walking casts sound like an absolute nightmare in PvE.

The main problem with walking casts in XIV is that you can't cancel them which takes away the control you have over your own movement. Now this isn't a problem in pvp because you can just not use your filler if you know you will need to be mobile, since pvp is usually more about setting up and coordinating short bursts of high damage to secure a kill anyway.
PvE on the other hand doesn't work like that, you can't just not use your filler for an extended period.

I'd rather have the old HW caster machinist back than walking casts.

Please buff the aoe with current state of MCH, this job seriously needs some changes on aoe departement. Like a lot of abilities are a gain 5 targets, thats a issue. Meanwhile other phys range can easily do 3-4 target and not caring. It's shows how badly the balance team do not what they are doing and hire more of them.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

While I'm not a machinist main, walking casts sound like an absolute nightmare in PvE.

The main problem with walking casts in XIV is that you can't cancel them which takes away the control you have over your own movement. Now this isn't a problem in pvp because you can just not use your filler if you know you will need to be mobile, since pvp is usually more about setting up and coordinating short bursts of high damage to secure a kill anyway.
PvE on the other hand doesn't work like that, you can't just not use your filler for an extended period.

I'd rather have the old HW caster machinist back than walking casts.

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Not being able to cancel walking casts would need to be solved, but there are already ways to mitigate the movement restriction. Sprint can almost completely negate the walking part of walking casts so Peloton could be reworked to do the same, especially now that Jog exists for all players. Phys ranged with walking casts could be given more movement abilities like dashes, back steps, or even side steps. Another novel suggestion I've seen is increasing the movement speed while strafing for phys ranged by a little so something like 'strafe casting' becomes a point of skill expression exclusive to phys ranged jobs. Also stats like skill speed can have a direct influence on how mobile a walking cast can be. A lot of stuff can be done.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

While I'm not a machinist main, walking casts sound like an absolute nightmare in PvE.

The main problem with walking casts in XIV is that you can't cancel them which takes away the control you have over your own movement. Now this isn't a problem in pvp because you can just not use your filler if you know you will need to be mobile, since pvp is usually more about setting up and coordinating short bursts of high damage to secure a kill anyway.
PvE on the other hand doesn't work like that, you can't just not use your filler for an extended period.

I'd rather have the old HW caster machinist back than walking casts.

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It's also a nightmare in pvp that more often than not makes you shoot yourself in the foot by making you essentially immobile (movement being slowed down is almost identical to not being able to move), and those casts are also very hard to cancel: fast enough to complete even when spamming escape and not fast enough to actually root you into doing anything else.
I don't know why people continue to defend that abomination. It just looks cool, that's about it.

Now then, I'll agree however that having walked casts on tools like Drill, etc, much like Sam has casts on Iajutsus? I'm totally fine with this, and it could be cool for tactile flavor to make those tools feel heavier and more satisfying to use, but on the filler? Hell no.

Also, rphys are not casters, else just include them into the caster role and be done with it. After all normal casters are slowly losing cast times as well so...whatever I guess.

I mean on the one hand we ask for failure states and skill expression (Black Mage discussions), but then we don't even want walking casts where you commit to the button you've pressed?

Another one to the pile of threads to be swiftly ignored by SE because their own agenda and neglect for this job knows no bounds it seems! I think the funniest part is that literally everyone that knows MCH, plays it or sees the problems with player perception of it, is in agreement. I never see any pushback from anyone so it's clear everyone's in unison (for once) about something. And yet still... we have to scream from the rooftops. I've lost count of the years it's been going on for.

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Originally Posted by Carighan

I mean on the one hand we ask for failure states and skill expression (Black Mage discussions), but then we don't even want walking casts where you commit to the button you've pressed?

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Because that's caster gameplay. And they do suck in pvp, why would it be different in pve? Normal casts work better.
And then what, we also give walking casts to Dancer too?
There is a ton of other things that could bring failure states and skill expression into rphys, yet people choose to literally bring caster gameplay into it? Why? Are we so brainwashed by the current DDR model that it's the only thing that people can think of?

DNC, and by extension NIN already have 'caster mechanics.' DNC dance steps, and NIN Mudras ask you to do a series of zero damage 'do nothing' steps in exchange for burst damage -- kinda like PCT's Motif, and Muse system that asks you to take a 'do nothing' action in exchange for burst damage. I don't think, and I don't think they think that DNC should have walking casts as evidenced by DNC not having them in PVP unlike the rest of the phys ranged. DNC (and GNB) do have walking channeled abilities, which yes please add this mechanic to PVE as well -- imagine being able to move while using Flamethrower.

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Originally Posted by Carighan

I mean on the one hand we ask for failure states and skill expression (Black Mage discussions), but then we don't even want walking casts where you commit to the button you've pressed?

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I think it's pretty obvious why walking casts on filler, like in pvp, aren't good as added "commitment".
It doesn't work in PvE because there is no decision to make on whether or not to commit to it. You have to keep your GCD rolling and you have to use your filler or you will quickly fall behind in heat and battery generation, messing you up for the rest of the fight.

There isn't a situation where you can just decide to delay your "cast" of Split Shot because you know you won't be able to slowly waddle into the safe spot for the next mechanic, that option simply doesn't exist without a fundamental rework to how a vast majority of job rotations work.

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Originally Posted by mallleable

DNC, and by extension NIN already have 'caster mechanics.' DNC dance steps, and NIN Mudras ask you to do a series of zero damage 'do nothing' steps in exchange for burst damage -- kinda like PCT's Motif, and Muse system that asks you to take a 'do nothing' action in exchange for burst damage. I don't think, and I don't think they think that DNC should have walking casts as evidenced by DNC not having them in PVP unlike the rest of the phys ranged. DNC (and GNB) do have walking channeled abilities, which yes please add this mechanic to PVE as well -- imagine being able to move while using Flamethrower.

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There is a major difference between Dancer's steps, Ninja's Mudras and Picto's Motifs compared to Machinist's walking casts.

While the first two also can't be readily cancelled they do not limit your movement and consequent ability to not fail the increasingly frequent mechanics spam.
Picto's Motifs on the other hand have what Machinist would be lacking, the freedom to wait until you find a window to commit to the cast safely.

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Originally Posted by mallleable

DNC, and by extension NIN already have 'caster mechanics.' DNC dance steps, and NIN Mudras ask you to do a series of zero damage 'do nothing' steps in exchange for burst damage -- kinda like PCT's Motif, and Muse system that asks you to take a 'do nothing' action in exchange for burst damage. I don't think, and I don't think they think that DNC should have walking casts as evidenced by DNC not having them in PVP unlike the rest of the phys ranged. DNC (and GNB) do have walking channeled abilities, which yes please add this mechanic to PVE as well -- imagine being able to move while using Flamethrower.

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I'm sorry but I'll need an explanation how pressing multiple buttons in succession while being able to move freely, with no channeled timer, is even akin to casting? Dance steps and Ninjutsu mudra sequences are casting how exactly? I'd have agreed on TCJ but they changed it so the Ninja can move freely now.. I don't think we can construe casting as doing actions that do no damage to prep for higher damage, else what? Reassemble is casting? Life Surge is casting? Raging Strikes is casting? Or do you mean just a combo sequence is casting?
The only casting button rphys currently has is Flamethrower.

And yes, I'd love to actually have Honing Dance in pve. That's a good channeled ability, it's definitely close enough to casting to be part of caster gameplay, just inverted as you do commit to it instead of being able to cancel it, but it's also not on the filler and has a lot of flavor so I'm all for it.

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Originally Posted by Valence

I'm sorry but I'll need an explanation how pressing multiple buttons in succession while being able to move freely, with no channeled timer, is even akin to casting? Dance steps and Ninjutsu mudra sequences are casting how exactly? I'd have agreed on TCJ but they changed it so the Ninja can move freely now.. I don't think we can construe casting as doing actions that do no damage to prep for higher damage, else what? Reassemble is casting? Life Surge is casting? Raging Strikes is casting? Or do you mean just a combo sequence is casting?
The only casting button rphys currently has is Flamethrower.

And yes, I'd love to actually have Honing Dance in pve. That's a good channeled ability, it's definitely close enough to casting to be part of caster gameplay, just inverted as you do commit to it instead of being able to cancel it, but it's also not on the filler and has a lot of flavor so I'm all for it.

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It's the downtime. Casting mechanics will be represented differently depending on the game type. We can imagine something like a turn based game where you have a scientist character who has an ability where they can analyze an enemy's weakness to create a chemical mixture that is strong against those weakness, but they have to skip their turn to do so, But they can accumulate more, and more data the more turns they skip so their chemical move can get stronger over time, but if they take any other actions, they lose their progress.' There can also be a mage character that also uses a similar mechanic for their strongest spell. There is no movement in combat as it is not a relevant mechanic in this imaginary game.

Let's also imagine a first person fantasy game where fire magic is cast by holding down the right mouse click to charge it up, it fills up a meter to indicate how strong the spell will be, and when you release the right mouse button, it releases the fire ball. but you cannot do any other attacks while casting. You are free to run around at full speed while casting fire magic, but ice magic is cast using a similar process, but your movement speed is slowed while casting, and earth magic requires you stand still while casting. The bow in this game also uses a similar mechanic that is like ice casting.

So to get back to FFXIV, it's the downtime that makes Mudras, and dance steps 'caster' mechanics to me. Only certain actions can be preformed while dancing, and you will get a bunny if you do any else besides your Mudras. This caster like downtime is why it is a popular suggestion to have like a chemist healer use a system like Mudras for mixing potions. Like Life Surge or Reassemble were on the GCD, then the 'casting' comparisons could be made as they would force you to take downtime for their benefits, but they don't incur downtime so they are not related to casting.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

I think it's pretty obvious why walking casts on filler, like in pvp, aren't good as added "commitment".
It doesn't work in PvE because there is no decision to make on whether or not to commit to it. You have to keep your GCD rolling and you have to use your filler or you will quickly fall behind in heat and battery generation, messing you up for the rest of the fight.

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Eh, that's no difference than hardcasting.

The skill is in prepositioning so the time between casts is enough to slide-move into position for the next mech, and/or pacing your instant-cast tools to be available and last you through extended movement situations.

/shrug

It's entirely normal to do?

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Originally Posted by Carighan

Eh, that's no difference than hardcasting.

The skill is in prepositioning so the time between casts is enough to slide-move into position for the next mech, and/or pacing your instant-cast tools to be available and last you through extended movement situations.

/shrug

It's entirely normal to do?

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Alright, I don't know how often I'm supposed to rephrase why it doesn't work.

Go into the game, switch to machinist, put your walk button on a hotkey, go into a dawntrail fight (normal raids would probably be ideal) and switch to walking speed every time you do your Split Shot-> Slug Shot-> Clean Shot filler combo, importance on actually trying to do a proper rotation and not just sitting on your filler for like 5 seconds doing nothing.

Then come back and tell me how well that worked.

It isn't anything like hardcasting. There is no period of no movement transitioning into normal speed and Machinist isn't as freeform as BLM, RDM or Picto where you can save instant casts for movement heavy phases.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

It isn't anything like hardcasting. There is no period of no movement transitioning into normal speed and Machinist isn't as freeform as BLM, RDM or Picto where you can save instant casts for movement heavy phases.

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Interesting how you automatically assume two things:

* It'd be the filler combo that is walking casts (and only that combo, at that?).
* That it'd be all-100%-walking-casts, and no interrim time between walking casts.

Why do you make these assumptions?

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Originally Posted by mallleable

It's the downtime. Casting mechanics will be represented differently depending on the game type. We can imagine something like a turn based game where you have a scientist character who has an ability where they can analyze an enemy's weakness to create a chemical mixture that is strong against those weakness, but they have to skip their turn to do so, But they can accumulate more, and more data the more turns they skip so their chemical move can get stronger over time, but if they take any other actions, they lose their progress.' There can also be a mage character that also uses a similar mechanic for their strongest spell. There is no movement in combat as it is not a relevant mechanic in this imaginary game.

Let's also imagine a first person fantasy game where fire magic is cast by holding down the right mouse click to charge it up, it fills up a meter to indicate how strong the spell will be, and when you release the right mouse button, it releases the fire ball. but you cannot do any other attacks while casting. You are free to run around at full speed while casting fire magic, but ice magic is cast using a similar process, but your movement speed is slowed while casting, and earth magic requires you stand still while casting. The bow in this game also uses a similar mechanic that is like ice casting.

So to get back to FFXIV, it's the downtime that makes Mudras, and dance steps 'caster' mechanics to me. Only certain actions can be preformed while dancing, and you will get a bunny if you do any else besides your Mudras. This caster like downtime is why it is a popular suggestion to have like a chemist healer use a system like Mudras for mixing potions. Like Life Surge or Reassemble were on the GCD, then the 'casting' comparisons could be made as they would force you to take downtime for their benefits, but they don't incur downtime so they are not related to casting.

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Then by your definition actual, normal casted spells aren't casting, since there is no downtime ideally. A cast bar just fills up partially or completely the GCD interval in those.
The only casts I know with a downtime are PCT canvas.

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Originally Posted by Carighan

Eh, that's no difference than hardcasting.

The skill is in prepositioning so the time between casts is enough to slide-move into position for the next mech, and/or pacing your instant-cast tools to be available and last you through extended movement situations.

/shrug

It's entirely normal to do?

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It wouldnt be very different in practice if MCH had tools to turn the filler into insta casts like all casters can with things like swiftcast, triple cast, acceleration, etc, while also having storable abilities like hammer, xenoglossy, paradox, etc, that can be burned to get full mobility and uptime when required.
MCH has none of those, but if your idea is to bring back ammo to MCH and make tools like Drill/etc floatable then yeah I guess? We'd have, in essence, a rphys in a caster trenchcoat.

Problem is you have to be in the top percentile of machinist to be as meaningful to the party while the other phys ranged you could be 50th percentile and be good enough for M2s

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Originally Posted by Carighan

Interesting how you automatically assume two things:

* It'd be the filler combo that is walking casts (and only that combo, at that?).
* That it'd be all-100%-walking-casts, and no interrim time between walking casts.

Why do you make these assumptions?

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Because that is literally how pvp Machinist works and we have nothing else to go on when it comes to walking casts.

But even if we're talking about making other abilities a walking cast barely anything changes, because with the way Machinist currently works you barely have any abilities that you can delay in the first place.
Making it entirely up to rng whether the fight screws you over or not.

Like I already said before, it only works in pvp because there no fixed rotation or dps requirement.

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Originally Posted by TabrisOmbrelame

I think Machinist, lorewise, should be able to found a target's Weakspot. Their is plenty of room to do stuff with MCH in order to make it far better.

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I like this idea alot! It'd be so awesome to get a raid dps buff in the form of making the enemy's defense 'weaker' after a big piercing sniper shot. gives us an excuse to bust out a big sniper rifle every 2 minute burst window, too! lol

I would also personally like to see the queen robot apply a similar effect that makes our dps increase while she's summoned, but make it a selfish dps increase just for the machinist not the whole party. Long term, lots of quality of life changes like differentiating air anchor from drill, making auto cross-bow give us our oGCD recharges for better aoe cleaves etc would be nice but i think the big one is if they're not going to let us be the greedy -and powerful- ranged dps then they need to give us a raid buff.

I think every other class in the game is looking at physical ranged and wondering 'why bring this job at all?' - imagine for a moment if bard and dancer lost their raid dps buffs. their dps is so lack-luster it'd be better to just bring another melee or blm or picto instead. this is exactly what the community is thinking when they look at machinist - its a knee-capped phys ranged dps class without a 'saving grace' raid buff. in a game where DPS is king from all classes, because we don't have more complex mechanics for winning fights other than 'kill it fast' and 'kill it faster'. atleast bard and dancer have raid buffs they can bring to the table to be palletable.

I will say bowmage and gunmage playstyles were very unpopular in HW SE got a ton of backlash for those changes even with the option to turn them off, you will likely see a lot of people drop MCH altogether if that happens. Double phys range was also the strongest comp back then too and hardly anyone wanted to play them.

I also suspect if people wanted casting they would just play caster and personally I'd be unhappy after they gutted 30% of BLM casts this expac, and just add some to MCH, after they just got done telling us there will be issues with casting due to movement heavy fights. That's some mixed signals.

Castbars on MCH is not the way to add skill expression, it's been tried and failed already. Let's not apply caster standards to phys range, they are not the same, or at least, they shouldn't be.

I really like how the flamethrower we use during Cosmic Exploration feels better than the flamethrower in our job action... Feels like a real GCD flamethrower that is not shit to use.

EDIT : i would extend this even to the action of Diadem Ethererial Canon and the Drill of Cosmic Exp...

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

Because that is literally how pvp Machinist works and we have nothing else to go on when it comes to walking casts.

But even if we're talking about making other abilities a walking cast barely anything changes, because with the way Machinist currently works you barely have any abilities that you can delay in the first place.
Making it entirely up to rng whether the fight screws you over or not.

Like I already said before, it only works in pvp because there no fixed rotation or dps requirement.

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In before someone proposes to bring back gauss barrel stance dancing

With the release of Cosmic Exploration, it is my belief that SE intends to delete Machinist from the game and repurpose it as the unique class for Mech Ops Ground Support.

Flamethrower has never seen this much use.