lower item lvl entry into savage raid to tome gear. The reason new players dont..

Raid. The vets that have been playing to game for years sell entry level raid sets 20 million ++. While a new player coming out of MSQ that don't know how raiding works might be on 3million if they bought like no glams on their journey. The new player goes oh I guess ill just do roulette's to get money to do raid, he logs in one day does every roulette realize he makes 150,000 gil. Then the new players thinks if he does this 4 weeks then by all currencies(raid, capped tomes) combined with the market dropping too he will be able to start raiding. Once the fourth week hits he looks at party finder then now all he sees is re-clear watch hector guide, watch happy guide, 1 practice party 2 out of 8 members listed for 1 hour waiting already. The grown sprout goes why even bother now the ship has sailed. Some vet players would say oh what your looking for is a static go use some outside discord find people your skill level. Don't really want to commit to a time with people every week for real but guess it has to be done to beg for a chance to get gear. Oh wait your static too is only looking for range dps and heals crazy who saw this coming.


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The game and vet players gate keeps new players from trying savage because to try savage on release you need full set crafted gear and vets sell crafted gear at 20million ++ the highest gil sink in the game more than mansion.

Fix: Pls move mandatory raid entry item lvl to repeatable tome gear. That way new players that want to savage raid can form their own parties if vets want to put a item level requirement of the craft gear in party finder they can do that too. I just want a chance to enjoy savage raid on release without all the problems stated above.

Side Note: Crafters your prices in the game has ruined the game I hope SE nerfs your margins into the ground.

I started this tier late and was able to clear it after about 2 months. What item level are you running on the job you want to raid with?

I think you should be able to buy a raid skip, with like 20 dollars for all the rewards, so that way this problem is solved and we can also commit to supporting our company to pass WoW in revenue and numbers.

Remember to upvote on steam and for every contest for best community and game.

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I think you should be able to buy a raid skip, with like 20 dollars for all the rewards, so that way this problem is solved and we can also commit to supporting our company to pass WoW in revenue and numbers.

Remember to upvote on steam and for every contest for best community and game.

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You need to stop.

I don't raid savage but NO!!!!

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I think you should be able to buy a raid skip, with like 20 dollars for all the rewards, so that way this problem is solved and we can also commit to supporting our company to pass WoW in revenue and numbers.

Remember to upvote on steam and for every contest for best community and game.

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bro no one wants to farm 20mill for a chance to raid week one as a new player. This not about skipping content its about getting to do content on time

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bro no one wants to farm 20mill for a chance to raid week one as a new player. This not about skipping content its about getting to do content on time

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Then craft the gear yourself, crafting your own gear is easy

If you won’t pay and you won’t craft then you have no excuse for why you can’t do it

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Then craft the gear yourself, crafting your own gear is easy

If you won’t pay and you won’t craft then you have no excuse for why you can’t do it

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lets be honest crafting your own gear is not easy(super time sink). I raised all my crafters and gathers farmed my orange scripts for both gathers and crafters to buy my aethersands and other mats. Dont get me started on how much materia you need for crafting gear and how much you can make in 1hour after you gather all the mats for it just to be lost to a 17% chance on the third meld. The whole time I did it all the hours spent I asked myself why am I doing all this crafting and gathering I dont like crafting and gathering. Oh yeah its just to get a chance to final start end game raiding on week one in party finder. All i wanted to do was play some of the hard content on time, and now i am here running around like a miner bot , using a source like team craft to get to spend multiple hours crafting scripts, and running a macro over and over again just to get materia for crafting gear because of i need to be able to craft battle gear on 7.2 just to get a party finder practice party on release. Its a crazy concept for a entry into savage raiding on week one for new people that just want to play the game (you know fighting hard bosses)

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lets be honest crafting your own gear is not easy(super time sink). I raised all my crafters and gathers farmed my orange scripts for both gathers and crafters to buy my aethersands and other mats. Dont get me started on how much materia you need for crafting gear and how much you can make in 1hour after you gather all the mats for it just to be lost to a 17% chance on the third meld. The whole time I did it all the hours spent I asked myself why am I doing all this crafting and gathering I dont like crafting and gathering. Oh yeah its just to get a chance to final start end game raiding on week one in party finder. All i wanted to do was play some of the hard content on time, and now i am here running around like a miner bot , using a source like team craft to get to spend multiple hours crafting scripts, and running a macro over and over again just to get materia for crafting gear because of i need to be able to craft battle gear on 7.2 just to get a party finder practice party on release. Its a crazy concept for a entry into savage raiding on week one for new people that just want to play the game (you know fighting hard bosses)

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“It’s crazy to expect people to work for gear strong enough to enter savage”

Is it really?

Crafting gear doesn’t need overmelds and the stuff to gather to make crafted gear can be obtained in around an hour or so

They even delay savage to give you the chance to do this

You should be expected to put in a modicum of effort to achieve entry into the games premiere raiding content

The week 1 crafted gear market(in my experience) is not at all what you describe. There are SO many omnicrafters competing against each other SO hard for those early sales that the market is lucky if it still holds value after a day or so. Whatever prices you see at server-up on day one are often down to 1/3 of that(or less) within 24 hours. You can do unlocks(grab an upgrade or two), cap tomes for another piece, get into the new extreme for a weapon upgrade, buy whats left the next day for a bargain and be looking for PF groups on wednesday(with 6 whole days to get those week one clears). And before you say you still cant afford it, gil is crazy easy to earn. Spend a night or two farming an extreme like hades or titania. Collect the crafting mats(desynthing extra weapons for extra chances). Easy money. Youve had 8 months to farm gil since the last savage tier released, it isnt like the game forces you to start from 0 on patch day. Hell, checking your 2 free retainers a few times a day and selling whatever actually good stuff they bring can passively add up to 10+mil per patch without requiring any actual gameplay.

And... unless im remembering wrong, the first floor or two of the savage dont actually have those higher requirements. Isnt M1 just 700 min? Meaning M5 would be 730, which you can get now? So yeah, starting your own group is also actually an option if youre feeling gatekept by the "veterans".

EX fight weapon is +0/+5 item levels above current crafted weapon, good for a start.

Equivalent to crafted gear item level is only really necessary for 3rd + 4th savage floor in a tier. Before that you can basically go with a mix of normal mode raid gear (1-4 equipment pieces depending on what you get), ideally upgraded previous tomestone gear and unupgraded current tomestone gear. On the first savage tier in an expansion, you even have access to crafted equivalent accessories from the other EX fight. Clearing the first two floors you also have a chance to get max item level equipment if you are lucky.

If you are intending to do the whole tier week 1, you are sort of expected to be the type of player that prepares a fair bit and either has a healthy amount of gil, good friends that craft for you or your own crafters levelled + geared.

Personally, I've gone for the self-sufficient route and just craft my own stuff.

It's high end content. Why are we surprised we have to play the game at least a little to enter a high end duty? I don't really think freshly new players are going to one shot the next tier in a week, so why bother with full crafted gear? Even a sprout player, as long as they're in full tomestone gear as of now will be able to enter M5S. So they can start by this without paying '20M gil for a crafted gear'. There are alternatives, by the time a sprout player will down a boss, they'll also be able to loot gear from previous savages, earn enough tomestones to buy tome gear and thus, reaching the iLVL requirement of the next floors. Your post sounds like a freshly new player will be able to go directly in less than a week fight M8S. Because, even if a new player is starting savage week1, why bother with paying a full crafted gear if they are playing casualy, are a 'new player', so discovering savage? A sprout player is not going to beat the tier in less than a week
A player being 730 right now will only need 10 more ilvl to enter M8S. Again, by the time they'll down a boss, they'll get this iLVL.
I really don't understand the complain of this post. Week 1 raiding for a sprout player is not hard because the mini ILVL of the first floor of a new tier is really low. The next one is only 5 ilvl above. They're generous enough to give you a full week to get more iLVL before release, with NM gear, EX weapon and tomestone gear (to avoid paying a full crafted gear)

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lets be honest crafting your own gear is not easy(super time sink). I raised all my crafters and gathers farmed my orange scripts for both gathers and crafters to buy my aethersands and other mats. Dont get me started on how much materia you need for crafting gear and how much you can make in 1hour after you gather all the mats for it just to be lost to a 17% chance on the third meld. The whole time I did it all the hours spent I asked myself why am I doing all this crafting and gathering I dont like crafting and gathering. Oh yeah its just to get a chance to final start end game raiding on week one in party finder. All i wanted to do was play some of the hard content on time, and now i am here running around like a miner bot , using a source like team craft to get to spend multiple hours crafting scripts, and running a macro over and over again just to get materia for crafting gear because of i need to be able to craft battle gear on 7.2 just to get a party finder practice party on release. Its a crazy concept for a entry into savage raiding on week one for new people that just want to play the game (you know fighting hard bosses)

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1. You dont even need to overmeld your crafter gear to be able to craft combat gear, sorry but thats just a excuse to be lazy

2. 20 mio a set is mostly only day one after it it will be way way cheaper

The item level entry into Savage is already EXTREMELY low. Veteran players are above it. In fact, casual players are usually above it too. Let me explain.

The first Savage fight is scaled for item level 700.

• You can farm item level 700 gear in under a day by gathering tomestones and spending them at Solution Nine.
• You can buy item level 710 gear from the market board for hardly any gil whatsoever.
• You can clear the normal raids to get item level 710 gear as well.
• As of the catch-up patches (7.1, 7.3, 7.5) you can augment the crafted gear to 720 using tomestones.
• You can also mix this with 720 Heliometry gear which is on a weekly cap.

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The vets that have been playing to game for years sell entry level raid sets 20 million ++.

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Pentamelded. Which is not needed. You should just buy the normal gear for 20k-100k gil. Then you can meld materia to it yourself via a Materia Melder.

If you want to pentameld, you can, either by buying the materia or farming it from hunts, but you will probably clear without pentamelds.

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I have raid alts and I have just casually logged onto them after years, with hardly any gil, and geared myself up in creative ways:

• Get any tomestone gear I can.
• Get normal raid loot.
• Fill remainder with what crafted gear I can afford.
• Clear an extreme for the weapon if lacking gil for one.
• Try to get food and pots, sell any rare loot to make gil. Worst case, use the previous tier food/pot.

And that's on characters I don't normally play. If I actually played them I probably wouldn't be in that situation.

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Nonsense. There are always first time clear and prog parties.

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I agree that our raid terminology confuses new players. A new player does not understand:

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Unfortunately, the only solution I see is for a veteran player to guide and teach them what all that means, or for them to follow content creators that explain it. Alternatively, they will learn what it all means in a fresh prog party as people explain it to them.

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I do think savage should be scaled for previous tier gear on the basis that it doesn't feel good to remove all your raid gear for the next tier.

What are you talking about? It cost 20 mil only day one, after a week when the savage actually drops the whole set cost 2 mil at most. If you don’t have gil you should rather be concerned about food and potions as you’ll be spending way more gil on them than on your gear set. Just lvl up crafters it’s not that hard or farm the tome gear, I’ve cleared all the endwalker tiers after week 16 and my experience wasn’t different from clearing it on release in DT. Don’t you have a raiding DC on NA? Try going there

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[...]While a new player coming out of MSQ that don't know how raiding works might be on 3million if they bought like no glams on their journey. The new player goes oh I guess ill just do roulette's to get money to do raid, he logs in one day does every roulette realize he makes 150,000 gil. Then the new players thinks if he does this 4 weeks then by all currencies(raid, capped tomes) combined with the market dropping too he will be able to start raiding. Once the fourth week hits he looks at party finder then now all he sees is re-clear watch hector guide, watch happy guide, 1 practice party 2 out of 8 members listed for 1 hour waiting already. The grown sprout goes why even bother now the ship has sailed[...]

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So the sprout has made a general observation, then figured that they need XYZ amount of gil to participate in first week raiding, which are pretty much cyclical. Their conclusion is... not to prep toward their next tier playthrough?

Also, you do realize that the same material that uses uncapped tome will also skyrocket in price at earlier weeks? You can always farm and sell them for easy money and use them for those raid gears... or better, commission some crafter to do it for you. They usually only ask for the materials you pick up with uncapped tome and is a cheaper alternative vs buying what's in the MB, for most of time. Materias also skyrocket because pentamelders.

There are many ways to accumulate gils steadily to prepare a smooth sailing week 1 raiding in PF. Complaining for a nerf isn't one of them.

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[...]Side Note: Crafters your prices in the game has ruined the game I hope SE nerfs your margins into the ground.

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Don't worry. The MB botters have done this job for SE wonderfully. Which should be suffice to conclude: they don't care enough to deal with MB botter, what makes you think SE would nerf this? lol

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lets be honest crafting your own gear is not easy(super time sink). I raised all my crafters and gathers farmed my orange scripts for both gathers and crafters to buy my aethersands and other mats. Dont get me started on how much materia you need for crafting gear and how much you can make in 1hour after you gather all the mats for it just to be lost to a 17% chance on the third meld. The whole time I did it all the hours spent I asked myself why am I doing all this crafting and gathering I dont like crafting and gathering. Oh yeah its just to get a chance to final start end game raiding on week one in party finder. All i wanted to do was play some of the hard content on time, and now i am here running around like a miner bot , using a source like team craft to get to spend multiple hours crafting scripts, and running a macro over and over again just to get materia for crafting gear because of i need to be able to craft battle gear on 7.2 just to get a party finder practice party on release. Its a crazy concept for a entry into savage raiding on week one for new people that just want to play the game (you know fighting hard bosses)

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This is exactly the point, the system as it stands filters out the people that are unwilling or unable to put effort into something that is difficult to obtain.

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Then craft the gear yourself, crafting your own gear is easy

If you won’t pay and you won’t craft then you have no excuse for why you can’t do it

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That's what I do and have planned and that leads me to earning tens of millions during patch week of any major patches with new craftable gear. It's really worth being an omnicrafter and gatherer since you save so much not buying the mats from the MB. You don't even need to pentamenld the latest crafter gear to be able to craft the new gear coming up.


I'm also against paying for raid clears, what is the purpose then? A story skip and class leveling skip is fine but paying for raid gear you didn't earn takes away the reason for raiding. At that point, why play the game at all, you may as well watch someone streaming their gameplay if you don't want to raid?

My issue with "savage" stuff isn't in-game issues its more of how you basically have to use team speak and schedule days for "X" and honestly the social aspect of doing them is what kills them for me even though I know I could do them and handle it I choice not to because A. don't want to do team speak with people that I don't know at least on a personal level and B. scheduling things for a social aspect with my mental state isn't a good idea for me if they are 4man- or at most 5man I could handle it but the more people there are the more i cant handle the social bs I mean in a game like Wow id probably do it because people arent as.. well "pussys" with the report button and kick out just because they feel uncomfortable. I mean when im in a good day for me i make people uncomfortable when in my manic joy state and if im in my other states people are just as uncomfortable lol

So PF them? People do all the time. Though if you know you consistently make people uncomfortable, maybe uh, work on that. Mental health issues might explain, but it isn't an excuse or a free pass.

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So PF them? People do all the time. Though if you know you consistently make people uncomfortable, maybe uh, work on that. Mental health issues might explain, but it isn't an excuse or a free pass.

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Na Not going to change me to make others feel comfortable :) its fine with my two besties which is why I'd be fine if it was 4man content so I could get them on and maybe virtually kidnap someone similar to us for it lol

If crafting or buying a set of gear is too much effort, you aren't making it through a savage tier on content.

1. First few turns are typically previous tomestone and savage tier requirements, it is only really the third and 4th tier where it is direct on crafted, and typically a newer player is not going to blitz through an entire savage tier before crafted becomes affordable. Usually takes 1-2 days before competition kicks in and then gear becomes seriously cheap.

2. Being overwhelmed by terminology is very quickly amended by going to communities such as Balance, or looking at the name on YouTube. There are always going to be times where the ship has sailed. If a new player starts mid-tier, boom, conclude ship has sailed.

3. There are plenty of avenues for making Gil in this game, and if a game that throws too much Gil at you is too much effort then I think some re-evaluation is needed on player expectancy.

4. Players just need to learn the art of bartering. Plenty of crafters out there will charge pennies for the gear provided you come with Tomestones, which is typically the most expensive part of crafting the gear in the first place.

5. Crafters haven't ruined anything. Crafting was already nerfed into the ground with Stormblood. Prior to that the price you now fetch for a full set, would barely have gotten you half the set back then.

6. I don't see why crafted should be further decimated, just because there are some people who feel so legitimately entitled that they should be doing the second-hardest content in the game with barely any investment whatsoever. Raiders don't like it when things get nerfed or decimated into the ground, so why should everyone else be OK with it?

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My issue with "savage" stuff isn't in-game issues its more of how you basically have to use team speak and schedule days for "X" and honestly the social aspect of doing them is what kills them for me even though I know I could do them and handle it I choice not to because A. don't want to do team speak with people that I don't know at least on a personal level and B. scheduling things for a social aspect with my mental state isn't a good idea for me if they are 4man- or at most 5man I could handle it but the more people there are the more i cant handle the social bs I mean in a game like Wow id probably do it because people arent as.. well "pussys" with the report button and kick out just because they feel uncomfortable. I mean when im in a good day for me i make people uncomfortable when in my manic joy state and if im in my other states people are just as uncomfortable lol

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If you don't want socialization then just PF the tier. Did that on main and none of my progs required voice. Just, you know, you have to be able to be accountable for errors if you make them repeatedly so you'll still probably have to have some kind of bare minimum communication to acknowledge you understand what you're doing wrong.

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My issue with "savage" stuff isn't in-game issues its more of how you basically have to use team speak and schedule days for "X" and honestly the social aspect of doing them is what kills them for me even though I know I could do them and handle it I choice not to because A. don't want to do team speak with people that I don't know at least on a personal level and B. scheduling things for a social aspect with my mental state isn't a good idea for me if they are 4man- or at most 5man I could handle it but the more people there are the more i cant handle the social bs I mean in a game like Wow id probably do it because people arent as.. well "pussys" with the report button and kick out just because they feel uncomfortable. I mean when im in a good day for me i make people uncomfortable when in my manic joy state and if im in my other states people are just as uncomfortable lol

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Are you some ARR grandma cos no one used teamspeak after HW

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i ment like discord talk thing regardless I would prefer they make "Savage" content to at most being 5man so its more realistic to play with "friends" like who the hell has like 8 friends closely I've always at max only have 3 I could get along with lol

I mean, I personally don’t like using stuff voice chat stuff to communicate.

But of all the reasons I don’t raid I can’t say that’s one of them, or at least it’s at the very bottom of the list. If I wanted to that badly I could just make my own ‘NO VOICE REQUIRED’ savage PF lol. I mean you can kinda impose whatever rules you want when you’re the party leader lol (Tyranny wins?) though whether people actually join is another matter…

But still, depending on servers etc I don’t imagine it’d be that hard to find 7 randos who also don’t want use voice programs.
Every rando is just a friend you haven’t meowdied yet?

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i ment like discord talk thing regardless I would prefer they make "Savage" content to at most being 5man so its more realistic to play with "friends" like who the hell has like 8 friends closely I've always at max only have 3 I could get along with lol

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So like Criterion Savage? If that's too tough there are also Deep Dungeons and Great Hunt Extreme.

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tbh criterion is fine but that isnt really consinder a real savage and the rewards are horrible lol

Obvious joke flew over your head.

If getting crafted gear is too high of an entry for you, then its just simply a working filter if you say "chance to raid week one".

For some people, they will see the price of crafted gear and go, "Wow people pay this much? I should get into crafting." and so begins a journey towards another aspect of the game. If people don't want to choose that path, they have options to do so. There's a half-dozen other ways to earn gil either through hunts or reselling or doing treasure hunts.

I suppose the short of the matter is that if you took away the level requirements we'd see another post with the same title further down the line saying, "The reason new players don't do crafting is because they don't see a reason to."

You can just ask a crafter friend/FC mate to make you a crafted set? The friend who makes them for me always just tells me which materials to get him and that's it.

Pretty sure players don't raid because they don't like raiding.

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Raid. The vets that have been playing to game for years sell entry level raid sets 20 million ++. While a new player coming out of MSQ that don't know how raiding works might be on 3million if they bought like no glams on their journey. The new player goes oh I guess ill just do roulette's to get money to do raid, he logs in one day does every roulette realize he makes 150,000 gil. Then the new players thinks if he does this 4 weeks then by all currencies(raid, capped tomes) combined with the market dropping too he will be able to start raiding. Once the fourth week hits he looks at party finder then now all he sees is re-clear watch hector guide, watch happy guide, 1 practice party 2 out of 8 members listed for 1 hour waiting already. The grown sprout goes why even bother now the ship has sailed. Some vet players would say oh what your looking for is a static go use some outside discord find people your skill level. Don't really want to commit to a time with people every week for real but guess it has to be done to beg for a chance to get gear. Oh wait your static too is only looking for range dps and heals crazy who saw this coming.


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Fix: Pls move mandatory raid entry item lvl to repeatable tome gear. That way new players that want to savage raid can form their own parties if vets want to put a item level requirement of the craft gear in party finder they can do that too. I just want a chance to enjoy savage raid on release without all the problems stated above.

Side Note: Crafters your prices in the game has ruined the game I hope SE nerfs your margins into the ground.

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For what its worth, it's not just you I agree 100%.

I guarantee you people who say crafting your own is easy and can be done quickly are using a huge library of addons, that smooth the experience, take of of the infuriating experience and remove the drag. (changing jobs while crafting, keeping windows open, what to collect, where to collect it, even which teleport to use, even auto macro, even auto proc adjust)

Earing gil is easy? Not if you spend your time doing other things you enjoy in game like just... running... roulettes. Not if you don't like doing artificial things you don't enjoy like braindead hunt farms. unsynced farms for desythn? XD not if your desythn level is still on about 160 after 4 years. Also unsynced farms... not fun don't have the time, trying to enjoy other parts of the game savage don't play. 8 months? not if you've been unsubbed.
Just do Extreme for a piece of gear? These players have no idea how long it takes to prog Extreme if your don't have 3 people to join you from you savage static, or don't know how to ruthlessly police the PFs you spend you will and will not spend you time in.

I mean just look at the complexity of some of the suggestions. A piece from here. 2 pieces form there. One from there. ???? WTF?

You and I know what you mean.
I play my casual roul game >
I play my casual raid game >
I play my Extremes game >
(buying gear is ok, but it needs to be possible wit the gil earned doing all the above alone. The above is a 'lot'. Maps are out. Needs PF and organisation and scheduling. Also repetitive and boring and again pretty baindead. Its fun once every 2/4 weeks)
(crafting your own is out until they drastically simplify crafting and gathering or give us 80% of the QoL fixes that add-ons provide.)
Now you are ready to play savage. Start of Week 3 'absolute LATEST'

All above achievable without being a cut-throat PF Machiavellian narcissist sociopath. "Progliars! We need a shamelist"


Best thing I can recommend is that you consider if you enjoy all the guides and having to remember where to stand every 20 seconds of a 10-15 minute fight. If you don't, maybe the silver lining is that gearing for savage is just playing stupid games to win stupid prizes.

Yeah playing the content while its current is what its all about at the end of the day. And having fun while you do it. If they don't want to listen to you, well, we all know what that means for your sub ultimately.
You tried to help.
You're not alone.

(I'm back because friends are but... if the amount of time they spend logged in is a sign of how much fun they are having... things are not looking good. All the talk of the field operation has lead to a false start and an accidental resub. That could turn out to be fatal.)

Most players don't raid because they don't like it for any number of reasons. Mine is that I don't want to spend hours in pf waiting for a shot at the fight, much less deal with the pf culture which includes doing homework on a fight by going outside the game onto YouTube.

I promise you, most people don't even get to the gear part of the equation if they're not raiding.

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Which means that including you there are 3 people out there that want to practice this raid. 3. Sounds like a very niche issue to me.

Maybe the real issue lies somewhere else?

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Originally Posted by WeebStarz

Raid. The vets that have been playing to game for years sell entry level raid sets 20 million ++. While a new player coming out of MSQ that don't know how raiding works might be on 3million if they bought like no glams on their journey. The new player goes oh I guess ill just do roulette's to get money to do raid, he logs in one day does every roulette realize he makes 150,000 gil. Then the new players thinks if he does this 4 weeks then by all currencies(raid, capped tomes) combined with the market dropping too he will be able to start raiding. Once the fourth week hits he looks at party finder then now all he sees is re-clear watch hector guide, watch happy guide, 1 practice party 2 out of 8 members listed for 1 hour waiting already. The grown sprout goes why even bother now the ship has sailed. Some vet players would say oh what your looking for is a static go use some outside discord find people your skill level. Don't really want to commit to a time with people every week for real but guess it has to be done to beg for a chance to get gear. Oh wait your static too is only looking for range dps and heals crazy who saw this coming.


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The game and vet players gate keeps new players from trying savage because to try savage on release you need full set crafted gear and vets sell crafted gear at 20million ++ the highest gil sink in the game more than mansion.

Fix: Pls move mandatory raid entry item lvl to repeatable tome gear. That way new players that want to savage raid can form their own parties if vets want to put a item level requirement of the craft gear in party finder they can do that too. I just want a chance to enjoy savage raid on release without all the problems stated above.

Side Note: Crafters your prices in the game has ruined the game I hope SE nerfs your margins into the ground.

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LOL. Why do you even want to raid week one or day one? All I see are a bunch of excuses for the sake of ranting.

Possible solutions:

1. Craft it yourself (especially if you took the time to go through MSQ and dabbled in other content.)
2. Ask a friend to craft for you
3. Gather stuff while you wait and sell
4. Apply to a static and ask if they know anyone who could help you gear up.
5. Ask in the NN for any of the craft mentors if they could help you, and negotiate with them for a price (like you providing some of the materials and sub crafts)
6. Wait for 2 weeks until guides are out and gear is already a fraction of the price.
7. Do a budget-friendly build where you combine some of the crafted pieces with the normal version of them.

Also, I highly doubt you can even fo BiS with crafted gear fresh out of msq since you need to penta meld. There is no way you will have enough materia to do that..lol.

I personally don't have problem with crafting gear, but I don't like you can pentameld it. What is the point getting 340 gear from normal raid once you can craft 340 and pentameld it with more stats?

I think there should be alternative way get entry level gear. If you can pentameld crafted gear, I think you should able pentameld that 340 raid gear too and do that with NPC or crafted gear should be 5 -10 item level lower than raid gear.

Why’s this thread revived? Lol.

The OP probably already learnt a thing or two since then. Selling combat materias when people are hot on pentamelding & selling the tome mats are lucrative ways to get quick gils more than what you need if you don’t want to craft them yourselves in these periods.

If that’s not enough then all I could think of is plainly bad management… or bored in-game because stirring pot in OF is more fun lol.

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Originally Posted by WeebStarz

lets be honest crafting your own gear is not easy(super time sink).

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How big time sink do you think progging savage is? Crafted gear is a minimum item level, because it is a minimal gear you need to have damage for sucesfull kill (Talking about average player). If you go with lover item level, you will basically become a leech, nothing more.

Also. I have crafted my crafter gear, melded it, crafted my savage gear and again, melded it just a day before savage released in about 4-5h. Thats nothing compared to hours spent progging. If you don't want to bother with obtaining your gear, you have no place in Savage. Simple as that. You are gonna lose dedication very soon.