Should Dalamud 2.0 Land on Tural and Delete the Entire Dawntrail Expansion?

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Probably if we keep seeing the same poor quality of writing for the rest of dawntrail and 8.0 and population keeps continuing to dip even with 8.0's release I could see a possible dalamud 2.0

Forum first. Some redesign and more features.

The writing is already extremely poor as it is and we want them to…contrive a literal deus ex machina and use it to destroy an entire civilisation of people?
What did those lizard guys ever do to you?

Yes please. It could give a second chance to retire the scions and start a new story from scratch without having to complete hours upon hours of MSQ as a new player.

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Originally Posted by Ajisaii

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Landing on the forum would be a better idea.

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Originally Posted by xbahax92

Forum first. Some redesign and more features.

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Honestly it's all so outdated lol

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Originally Posted by Ajisaii

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The only W is if it kills Wuk Lamat

Dark humor aside, the problem with Dawntrail isn't Tural or Wuk Lamat, it's the people behind it. No matter how many Dalamuds you throw, if they continue on then they'll make another Dawntrail and another Wuk Lamat.

Sharlayan explodes because they made a supernuke or something, because they are so super special awesome and can invent everything. It ruins the world and the Twelve's prayer machine rebuilds the world, everything gets wiped with new continents and people and we get Realm Reborn Reborn, with a new engine, and better writers and more budget.

Dear lord.

I think Dawntrail sucks too but you people are way too dramatic over it.

my head canon is that while hanging out with the scions in sharlayan my WoL ate some food that was a bit too spicy and everything thats happening in dawntrail is just a really bad fever dream she is having

No because then we'll have to rebuild tural and deal with more rubbish we don't care for. Just let us leave the current story for better ASAP.

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

No because then we'll have to rebuild tural and deal with more rubbish we don't care for. Just let us leave the current story for better ASAP.

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Correct. The damage is done. But we are complaining to prevent this from happening again. I don't want to watch my favorite game fall apart. I've made so many friends there.

The expansion is really not that bad that this needs to happen.

If anyone thinks it is, then I'm sorry, but it could be so much worse.

People being put off by "pacing issues", "lack of battles", "talking to Wuk Lamat too much because they skipped sidequests", "lack of character development" is not even close to how bad some games have made their expansions or sequels before.

At worst, the expansion is just "meh, next expansion?"

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

The expansion is really not that bad that this needs to happen.

If anyone thinks it is, then I'm sorry, but it could be so much worse.

People being put off by "pacing issues", "lack of battles", "talking to Wuk Lamat too much because they skipped sidequests", "lack of character development" is not even close to how bad some games have made their expansions or sequels before.

At worst, the expansion is just "meh, next expansion?"

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Don't look at this isolated from the rest. There are multiple issues with the game that haven't been fixed, I don't need to list them as we all know. These issues are piling up and on top of that, XIV's main selling point was always the story. They want us to play the story. To want us to got through the journey. If this is also starting to lack, then why would people bother to sub?

https://i.imgur.com/5K1SxEZ.png

Personally I'm starting to wish I didn't blow a hole through Emet's chest, maybe the rejoined star would be a better game overall.

Agree. Maybe it’s a good time for SE to just take the game offline for 2 years and use this time to upgrade its engine, revamp the whole concept of content update cycle, and get a new writer for a new fresh start to the story. This will make the game more long lasting, hopefully for another 15 years. Everyone who is burnt out now will be back more energized and it’s a good investment. And honestly, there’s no better timing than now to do this.

"There is this thing I don't like and I want it removed"

I've already had to contend with people who wanted to erase Field Operations and Blue Mage just because they didn't like the content. No. This line of though is idiotic and, if you have to be a special kind of moron to unironically believe we should delete an expansion that hasn't even finished just because Wuk LMAO exists.

This is nowhere near 1.0 situation and the reset won't bring back your money either way. Get a grip.

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Originally Posted by BokoToloko

"There is this thing I don't like and I want it removed"
I've already had to contend with people who wanted to erase Field Operations and Blue Mage just because they didn't like the content. No. This line of though is idiotic

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You with having the option to use a class instead of a job. Wake up?

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Originally Posted by NegativeS

Personally I'm starting to wish I didn't blow a hole through Emet's chest, maybe the rejoined star would be a better game overall.

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My fellow pro-rejoining. Amaurot as a functional endgame hub...man, take me there, Emet.

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Originally Posted by Hycinthus

Agree. Maybe it’s a good time for SE to just take the game offline for 2 years .

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SE's higher ups will never approve a two-year shutdown on their most consistent cash cow. Especially when so many of their other projects keep underperforming or outright flopping.

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Originally Posted by cutestfox

You with having the option to use a class instead of a job. Wake up?

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People enjoying an expansion (for whatever reason I might not understand) doesn't have any immediate consequences on the rest of the players.

Running Duty Finder while being handicapped immediately forces other 3 players to carry you and your egotistical decision.

They're not even in the same dimension.

Then again, I'm talking to someone who plays to get a hold on as many houses as possible, so I shouldn't be expecting better from someone who actively contributes to being a problem for the playerbase, as houses are scarce as they are.

That's a hilarious idea! With Sphene inside the meteor going "Wuuuuuuuuuuk"! xD

I'd feel bad for the devs, but... I wouldn't be against it. I'd be more interested in lengthy side stories in earlier expansions instead of another Dawntrail. It would be great to go on a proper adventure with characters like Midnight Dew from Idyllshire or Magnai from the Steppe.

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Originally Posted by BokoToloko

People enjoying an expansion (for whatever reason I might not understand) doesn't have any immediate consequences on the rest of the players.

Running Duty Finder while being handicapped immediately forces other 3 players to carry you and your egotistical decision.

They're not even in the same dimension.

Then again, I'm talking to someone who plays to get a hold on as many houses as possible, so I shouldn't be expecting better from someone who actively contributes to being a problem for the playerbase, as houses are scarce as they are.

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Nice pile of assumptions there with your headcanon. You need to take a look in the mirror and wake up.
You're exactly what you claim you aren't, and it's hilarious.

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Originally Posted by cutestfox

Nice pile of assumptions there with your headcanon. You need to take a look in the mirror and wake up.
You're exactly what you claim you aren't, and it's hilarious.

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You literally said you leveled up alts for housing. You need to pipe down, lol.

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Originally Posted by cutestfox

It definitely should not be mandatory. It's good having the option to not do them.

Not everyone intends to use a job class and not everyone intends to level them beyond what is needed.
For one firsthand example; In my community of housing builders, we do not unlock jobs because it is a waste of time for an alt who is never going to do any content past hitting the mandatory 50 requirement

Make a forced tutorial window pop up at level 30 or whatever, but there is no need to force peoples hand because some minority group just didn't know

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Originally Posted by BokoToloko

You literally said you leveled up alts for housing. You need to pipe down, lol.

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And you made an assumption, as I said

Tell me more about how making alts to add rooms to my FC house is

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Originally Posted by BokoToloko

I'm talking to someone who plays to get a hold on as many houses as possible, so I shouldn't be expecting better from someone who actively contributes to being a problem for the playerbase, as houses are scarce as they are.

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Sit down. You know far less than you think you do

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

SE's higher ups will never approve a two-year shutdown on their most consistent cash cow. Especially when so many of their other projects keep underperforming or outright flopping.

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Well if they just want to look at the short term, they will fail long term.

2 year offline to upgrade an engine that will help them last for another 15 years, isn't that a worth trade-off?

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Originally Posted by cutestfox

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I've dealt with enough "housing enthusiasts" to know. Specially those who're strongly opinionated about a game they hardly play outside the residential district.

And even in the scenario where you're not yet another one of those who take up entire housing districts, you still haven't made a single link between making Job Stones mandatory and erasing an entire expansion because it was bad, even though you brought up this here and not in the other thread. Nor did you bother countering the point made in the previous thread.

Why?
Because you're simply full of it.

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Originally Posted by BokoToloko

I've dealt with enough "housing enthusiasts" to know. Specially those who're strongly opinionated about a game they hardly play outside the residential district.

And even in the scenario where you're not yet another one of those who take up entire housing districts, you still haven't made a single link between making Job Stones mandatory and erasing an entire expansion because it was bad, even though you brought up this here and not in the other thread. Nor did you bother countering the point made in the previous thread.

Why?
Because you're simply full of it.

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Because your post is hypocritical nonsense.

This is what you said:

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Originally Posted by BokoToloko

"There is this thing I don't like and I want it removed"
I've already had to contend with people who wanted to erase Field Operations and Blue Mage just because they didn't like the content. No. This line of though is idiotic and, if you have to be a special kind of moron to unironically believe we should delete an expansion that hasn't even finished just because Wuk LMAO exists.

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Just because you don't understand the gameplay options and implications for the difference between class and job stones, does not mean it's worthless
I speak out about it because the removal would directly impact mine and my friends last remaining fun things to do in the game, just as you'd imply with Field Operations and Blue Mage

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Originally Posted by cutestfox

Because your post is hypocritical nonsense.

This is what you said:


Just because you don't understand the gameplay options and implications for the difference between class and job stones, does not mean it's worthless
I speak out about it because the removal would directly impact mine and my friends last remaining fun things to do in the game, just as you'd imply with Field Operations and Blue Mage

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Just because you say it's hypocritical or say I don't understand the gameplay options and implications doesn't make those things actually real.

And the fact you try to put Field Operations and Blue Mage on the same level as leveling without job crystal is laughable. The former are game content and do not really interfere with anyone else nor do they pose a drag on content many people go by thanks to being completely optional, the latter is playing the almost same jobs on the same ARR dungeons they can run but handicapped, to the detriment of anyone else you queue with in DF on the most boring dungeons in the game just because you couldn't be arsed to spend half an hour getting your class and job quest in order. Not to mention taking the class and job quests does not bar you AT ALL from getting your alts ready for housing endeavors.

No, it's not hypocritical because, again, it's not really the same, in ANY measure.

I want a dark Story with some ugly twists about the Sundering, the Source and their remaining shards.
Something that the WoL can change for the future.
We have had enough Ruins and it is time that we can restore something big.
And if Wuk Lamat dies in our next Mission, guess I won't shed a tear.

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Originally Posted by BokoToloko

Just because you say it's hypocritical or say I don't understand the gameplay options and implications doesn't make those things actually real.

And the fact you try to put Field Operations and Blue Mage on the same level as leveling without job crystal is laughable. The former are game modes, the latter is playing the same jobs with just less, which ends up hindering anyone else you queue with in DF on the most boring dungeons in the game just because you couldn't be arsed to spend half an hour getting your class and job quest in order. Not to mention taking the class and job quests does not bar you AT ALL from getting your alts ready for housing endeavors.

No, it's not hypocritical because, again, it's not really the samem, in ANY measure.

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It is absolutely hypocritical. You don't get to decide what is the right way to play the game or not, especially when you're the one begging for changes.

You're proposing a needless timesink and grind on a population that you evidently aren't a part of.
You want to make our gameplay experience worse, because you don't understand it


What's laughable are your endless shots in the dark trying to poke at some boogeyman that doesn't exist while trying to act like the arbiter of truth

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Originally Posted by BokoToloko

I've dealt with enough "housing enthusiasts" to know. Specially those who're strongly opinionated about a game they hardly play outside the residential district.

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I have characters with the legacy mark. I've never unsubbed since 2.0. I've hand-leveled over 60+ alts to at least baseline 50 over this last decade, and around 15 past shadowbringers and beyond. My main has 26k achievement points compared to your 14k that I had back in Heavensward. Anything else we need to cover? Going to drag me and make some more shots for replying to this nonsense you desired so badly?

You truly, utterly, have no idea.

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Originally Posted by Hycinthus

Well if they just want to look at the short term, they will fail long term.

2 year offline to upgrade an engine that will help them last for another 15 years, isn't that a worth trade-off?

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To us, maybe. To the people holding the purse strings? Try explaining to the shareholders that, for the next two years, their biggest source of revenue is stopping.

cringe honestly lol

No, but going to one of the shards for a while and forgetting DT ever happened is a valid option.

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Originally Posted by cutestfox

It is absolutely hypocritical. You don't get to decide what is the right way to play the game or not, especially when you're the one begging for changes.

You're proposing a needless timesink and grind on a population that you evidently aren't a part of.
You want to make our gameplay experience worse, because you don't understand it


What's laughable are your endless shots in the dark trying to poke at some boogeyman that doesn't exist while trying to act like the arbiter of truth

I have characters with the legacy mark. I've never unsubbed since 2.0. I've hand-leveled over 60+ alts to at least baseline 50 over this last decade, and around 15 past shadowbringers and beyond. My main has 26k achievement points compared to your 14k that I had back in Heavensward. Anything else we need to cover? Going to drag me and make some more shots for replying to this nonsense you desired so badly?

You truly, utterly, have no idea.

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It is not.
What it is hypocritical is crying about a needless timeskink and grind is that you cry so to defend being a needless wast of time on ANYONE who has the disgrace of running into you and your job crystal free buddies because you decided your time was more important than theirs and thus decided to be carried on the ARR dungeons and drag time on time either. THAT is hypocritical. Because you're not the center of the world and YET you make others go around then you get defensive. And let's not get started with the very simple fact that classes are supposed to be upgraded because their whole kits at tuned for the gameplay they offer at maximum level, where you need to have all the job spells for them to truly function. If you really want to convince anyone you're all about respecting everyone else's time you better be ready to argue how are you NOT wasting everyone else's time by doing DFs without job crystals.

And no amount of achievements or characters is ever going to dispel that. That shit doesn't fly (and if you don't believe me, look up "argument from authority"). What is evident is that people with no job crystal do way less than those with job crystal and slow runs for duty finders most people just want to run quickly for the tomes or the experience. Because those exist, and none of them like to deal with jobless randoms. It's not a "different way of playing" and it's not a "different game content". It's very literally being a hindrance because you couldn't be assed with a "needless" time sink.

And it's worse than not having an idea. It's having an idea and wanting to twist the argument in order to make it benefit you at everyone else's expense.
Get your job crystal or queue with other 3 people who are willing to put up with that. Leave the rest to queue with normal people who prefer playing normally.

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Originally Posted by BokoToloko

It is not.
What it is hypocritical is crying about a needless timeskink and grind is that you cry so to defend being a needless wast of time on ANYONE who has the disgrace of running into you and your job crystal free buddies because you decided your time was more important than theirs and thus decided to be carried on the ARR dungeons and drag time on time either. THAT is hypocritical. Because you're not the center of the world and YET you make others go around then you get defensive. And let's not get started with the very simple fact that classes are supposed to be upgraded.

And no amount of achievements or characters is ever going to dispel that. That shit doesn't fly (and if you don't believe me, look up "argument from authority"). What is evident is that people with no job crystal do way less than those with job crystal and slow runs for duty finders most people just want to run quickly for the tomes or the experience. Because those exist, and none of them like to deal with jobless randoms. It's not a "different way of people". It's very literally being a hindrance.

And it's worse than not having an idea. It's having an idea and wanting to twist the argument in order to make it benefit you at everyone else's expense.
Get your job crystal or queue with other 3 people who are willing to put up with that. Leave the rest to queue with normal people who prefer playing normally.

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And again with the assumptions! You're the gift that keeps on giving
Who said our community is doing this with randoms? And for those out there that do, they know what they're doing.
With the limited skillset you have available pre-50, you will absolutely burn through a dungeon with a veteran who knows how to play their class much easier and faster over sprout with a job stone
The difference between a veteran on a bard vs an archer in stone vigil, aurum vale, dzemael is quite literally a matter of seconds on a run

I'm not threatened by you opinion of the job stone, it's not like the devs will come here and listen to you. Your abrasive attitude and ego will guarantee you never find success.
I just find it amusing how confidently wrong you can be

Then where the hell where I get my tacos!?!? THINK OF G'RAHA!!!! D'8

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Originally Posted by BokoToloko

This line of though is idiotic and, if you have to be a special kind of moron to unironically believe we should delete an expansion that hasn't even finished just because Wuk LMAO exists..

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So r/ffxiv then.