Hello there, I like to give a simple suggestions for buffing DK to give him a more flow rotations and increase the overall DPS if possible. The last changes was very good, but I like to see some increase on damage overall, big swords should bring big damages right?That's it, thank you!
- Flood of Darkness - MP Cost from 3000 to 2000.
- Edge of Darkness - MP Cost from 3000 to 2000.
- Abyssal Drain - CR reduces from 60s to 30s or 20s.
- Carve and Spit - CR reduces from 60s to 30s or 20s.
Dark Knight Simple yet effective buff idea
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12-05-2024, 01:06 PMMitzahelDark Knight Simple yet effective buff idea
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12-05-2024, 01:20 PMShurrikhan
Please increase MP generation instead of reducing MP costs. I'd rather not have to cram 2-3 extra Edges into each 20s raid window.
Also, DRK already leads in aDPS and cDPS, the only damage stats really relevant to tanks in group content (since none of them have damage buffs, only differing use of others' damage buffs, for which said exploitation does matter as much as any difference in raw personal damage).
I'd gladly take the proportionate deserved nerf for that increased MP regen, though. (And I'd prefer the increase not be from a CD like Delirium/Blood Weapon alone.) -
12-05-2024, 01:28 PMSupersnow845The literal last thing DRK needs right now is more damageQuote:
Originally Posted by Mitzahel
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12-05-2024, 05:19 PMCarighan
Or better mana management, at least if the same change doesn't remove the CD from TBN or so. I mean all I'd use that extra mana for is more oGCD damage casts, which like you say, is quite literally the least-helpful buff you could give DRKs right now.
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12-05-2024, 09:22 PMReinhardt_Azureheim
Just give back the two Bloodweapon stacks that were taken from us. The -1200MP and -20 Blood per minute had no reason to be, especially since Delirium still generates two different buffs with separate buff stacks anyways.
I'm fine with having my damage adjusted accordingly for this to happen. -
12-05-2024, 10:00 PMRithy255While I like the idea of making its APM higher, but It doesn't need a damage buff Dark knight out performs other tanks currently due to how burst windows work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mitzahel
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12-05-2024, 10:07 PMLorika
Or, the MP regen is 800 instead of the current 600.... Way more simple and more effective.
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12-06-2024, 05:32 AMCarighan
I'd go a step further:
* Remove the mana cost from Darkness skills entirely.
* Give them a CD instead.
* Make them stronger.
* Make TBN not have a CD in itself.
* On using TBN, you give yourself a 15s debuff that prevents using TBN again.
* TBN then auto-combos into a button that removes this debuff, with a scaled manacost based on the remaining duration on it.
* As now, depleting TBN gives a free Darkness use, in this case it instantly resets the CD.
The idea would then be that our mana is entirely for TBN, but depending on income we can go wild chaining TBN usage. -
12-06-2024, 06:43 PMEmitansThe design of dark knight in FFXIV since the patch it was introduced is that it can choose to spend MP on damage or defenses. You might as well remove the job from the game if you remove the MP from the darkness spells. If you want that job, play warrior.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carighan
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12-07-2024, 10:55 AMOizen
Return BW to 5 stacks
Make BW restore 1k instead of 600
Lower the CD of Delirium/BW
Lots of ways to go about it, but I doubt it'll be seen as an issue seeing as DRK is the #1 tank at the moment. -
12-07-2024, 07:21 PMCarighanYeah, and funnily enough the job is struggling ever since. Almost as if, and this is going to be wild, it's not good design if 3 jobs in a role get their damage for free and only have to manage their defenses, while the fourth has to do an either-or. Crazy thought, I know. I am also aware that we'd overload poor people's mental capacity if tank defenses weren't based on fixed CDs and fixed mechanical CDs but could be scales based on resources, people can barely handle having two charges of HS on Paladins and having to figure out whether to use one on somebody else. Sorry, was a silly thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by Emitans
(don't get me wrong, obviously the opposite would work and be far more interesting, but if you think dual-stances and stuff are ever going to come back that's so utopian we might as well ask Mars City Yoshi P what he thinks about that) -
12-07-2024, 07:41 PMTerhixThere is no choice in DRK toolkit between spending MP on defense or dps, there hasn't been for years. If you ever spend MP on TBN and it doesn't break, that's not "oh I made this choice and I got this tradeoff", it's a mistake, every time all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Emitans
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12-07-2024, 11:39 PMLorikaTranslation : Please SE make DRK the new OP Tank.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oizen
Be serious for a second please. -
12-08-2024, 08:49 AMOizenIt already is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lorika
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12-08-2024, 12:08 PMLorikaWell.... In your dream maybe?Quote:
Originally Posted by Oizen
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12-10-2024, 05:36 AMOizenIt is currently the tank doing the most damage in FRU, with the most amount of clears of any tank in FRU.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lorika
And its even the 2nd most cleared on job for FRU overall, only behind PCT.
So I don't know what you're on about. -
12-10-2024, 05:56 AMLorikaI was sure you were talking about this lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oizen
Sorry but you're talking about only one Raid.... And seriously Damage? just lol... Even a Dancer do more damaga.
Please, can you remind me what is the job of a tank? oh yeah to soak damage and survive.... Which DRK, in this department is the good last. (oh and please don't play the LD card, we all know that, most of the time, healer mess it up)
So, no, only one raid don't make a Job OP. -
12-10-2024, 06:27 AMJuicyHeals
When damage is all that matters in this game then yeah I'd have to agree with Oizen Drk is probably the best tank at the moment
To add on to this (not including dungeons since no one cares to min max those) all tanks can survive whatever is thrown at them so all that's left is who does the most damage to skip phases or to beat enrages. I suppose if say for the sake of progging then the other tanks might add more leeway. -
12-10-2024, 10:48 AMOizenDamn got me there, let me know how your dancer tank runs goQuote:
Originally Posted by Lorika
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12-10-2024, 11:02 AMLorikaThank you <3Quote:
Originally Posted by Oizen
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12-10-2024, 01:19 PMEmitansFFXI be like:Quote:
Originally Posted by Oizen
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12-10-2024, 04:18 PMCarighanIn FFXIV's raids? The job is dealing damage. The same as healers and damage dealers do as their primary function.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lorika
A secondary function, given by role and fight design, is that players playing tanks will automatically hold the bosses' attention at no further input needed, and will sometimes be prompted (usually by a specific marker, but there are a few of them) to press usually a combination of two buttons, with the one with the bigger CD sometimes alternating. There are also moments they press a single button instead, but they're also prompted by markers or specific cast bars and designed into each particular fight.
As far as actual gameplay goes, nope, the job is dealing damage and that's it. Again, same as the GCD-part of playing a healer. :P -
12-12-2024, 04:32 PMLorika
I hope, really hope, that you realize how ridiculous and flawed your logic and argument are?
i mean it's like saying : i'm the school top scorer because i got 20/0 in math... Hmm? the rest? don't care only math count. My average? who care! only math count.
Why i use math? because when you want o calculate something, to get the result you need all the variable and not only.
And this what you are doing : DRK is the actual OP tank because is tank doing the most damage on ONE Ultimate raid.... the rest? don't care... Well, no you must care. This game doesn't resolve around one raid. -
12-12-2024, 04:44 PMSupersnow845DRK is doing the most damage on literally anything with DPS check and is the tankiest tank in regards to single heavy hits common in high end contentQuote:
Originally Posted by Lorika
DRK excels at everything meaningful except being a well designed job -
12-12-2024, 08:50 PMOizen
I'm pretty sure the advent of Abyssal Drain getting 500 cure potency its also just become the best dungeon tank if you can properly cycle its mits.
Dark Mind is also arguably the strongest tank mit now in terms of value vs cooldown, even just functioning as Oblation #3 is pretty powerful -
12-13-2024, 12:12 AMCarighanWhy would it be OP? You realize that "not the worst" does not automatically equal "OP". As in, when somebody says "the last thing DRK needs right now is more damage", they are not actually stating "lulz, DRK is OP". The words are quite different. Also you really need to check sources before you try to use them against someone else's argument, DRK is currently leading damage in all areas (Savage + EX + Ult), the margin is wider in the last but it exists everywhere. Does that make it OP? Of course not, "the damage tank" is an acceptable niche, so long as there's a downside attached, like having the weakest short-CD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lorika
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12-20-2024, 02:54 AMDerio
Still the least played tank in savage content in what the game is balanced around. Honestly all tanks need that deep dive into job identity, same with the healers. DRK needs a complete rework. Remember we had 3 combos back in the day.
I dont expect any changes to DRK until 8.0. The biggest problem with DRK outside of core gameplay is the mp reduction we received in 7.0 with the blood weapon changes. -
12-20-2024, 11:31 PMNero-Voidstails
only thing I would change is abyssal drain and carve and split into seperate cooldown point
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12-21-2024, 05:35 AMCarighanI don't see why, they're clearly just a single and AoE version of the same ability. If anything it's one of those situations where to save hotbar bloat, they ought to just make it a "Deal X damage to target + 40% to everything else"-skills, and have just one button for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nero-Voidstails
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12-21-2024, 08:31 AMShurrikhanMostly agreed, but...Quote:
Originally Posted by Carighan
Heresy though it might be, we could instead actually make them do different things, even if one would tend to see less use than the other for a given content form, so long as it isn't such an obvious split as "use at 2- targets" and "use at 3+ targets" (where one or the other would be a non-option across the entirety of most pulls).
For instance, CnS could regenerate MP per enemy struck (being therefore more useful for pure offense or recovering TBN from overexpenditure) while Drain could provide greater overall sustain (even accounting for recovering from mistakes for an extra TBN) via HP per enemy and a lingering Bloodbath-like [de]buff.
Now if we could just actually increase sustain requirements such that an at-cost sustain skill (be it a GCD heal or a tank's shared-recast CD that allows for more healer damage in turn) would be worthwhile... -
12-22-2024, 09:31 PMNero-Voidstailsthey both fill a different role not gonna lie and if I can do it on a controller there isn't to much of a problem if I may be honest and I main darknight as a tank I just with that both would be separated or have 2 stackQuote:
Originally Posted by Carighan
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12-23-2024, 08:20 AMOizen
I feel like abyssal being 30s with 2 charges would be very ideal given the hole plunge left in DRK's 1m.
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12-23-2024, 08:11 PMReinhardt_AzureheimWould be nice, if they were also decoupled from Carve and Spit. Won't mind losing a bit of heal potency + damage potency to make up for it (in case it is too powerful with that).Quote:
Originally Posted by Oizen
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12-25-2024, 03:20 PMCarighanThey do? But they both do the exact same thing other than one being AoE and dealing less damage per target in turn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nero-Voidstails
As in, what different role do they fulfill? Why would I use Abyssal Drain on a boss if I can use C&S instead?