The issue with short-term content

I can't understand how devs are so pushed to releasing content without giving a second thought on how we can extend this content longevity,

Why we have content that is good until I got X then it will be dead content?

aside from Gold saucer which is in my opinion best thing they did I can go back each time and farm something, lottery, mini games which is not part of battle content.

Content like Eurerka and Bozja was such a waste, they were good at release until its dead with no reason to back there.

Content like criterion dungeon it is just a tragedy, it was a waste even on release.

Why not thinking of how we extend this game mode to next expansions and give people a reason to farm content?

I have seen F2P games that utilize 1 game mode for more than 4 years and you can find people doing it now.

it is like they designed the content for people who hates the game and return when there is something new for fomo.... but why? I don't think this is unintentional.

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Originally Posted by BabyYoda

Content like Eurerka and Bozja was such a waste, they were good at release until its dead with no reason to back there.

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Eureka and Bozja are far from dead. Both are actual pieces of evergreen content that people still run groups for today.

There's a say in the Eureka community: "Eureka never dies".

And that's still holding true. There are still daily runs of Baldesion Arsenal and Delubrum Reginae Savage and activity in both sets of overworlds. So, I would cross those off your list. One of the few reasons I'm holding out for something in DT is that there is a new Field Operation in the pipeline.

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Originally Posted by LynxDubh

Eureka and Bozja are far from dead. Both are actual pieces of evergreen content that people still run groups for today.

There's a say in the Eureka community: "Eureka never dies".

And that's still holding true. There are still daily runs of Baldesion Arsenal and Delubrum Reginae Savage and activity in both sets of overworlds. So, I would cross those off your list. One of the few reasons I'm holding out for something in DT is that there is a new Field Operation in the pipeline.

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at worst on patch release it's where it become"dead" but ya I do agree those two are hard to kill and probably will never die eureka and bozja are also the best midcore content you can have not go easy nor to hard but really challenging

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Originally Posted by LynxDubh

Eureka and Bozja are far from dead. Both are actual pieces of evergreen content that people still run groups for today.

There's a say in the Eureka community: "Eureka never dies".

And that's still holding true. There are still daily runs of Baldesion Arsenal and Delubrum Reginae Savage and activity in both sets of overworlds. So, I would cross those off your list. One of the few reasons I'm holding out for something in DT is that there is a new Field Operation in the pipeline.

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only live thanks to rmt, best places to farm gils so it's a paradise for bots

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Originally Posted by BabyYoda

Why not thinking of how we extend this game mode to next expansions and give people a reason to farm content?

I have seen F2P games that utilize 1 game mode for more than 4 years and you can find people doing it now.

it is like they designed the content for people who hates the game and return when there is something new for fomo.... but why? I don't think this is unintentional.

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What would keep you farming content past obtaining X? What do you think would keep others farming content past obtaining X?

How many of those single content F2P games have the same players now as they had 4 years ago and how many of those players are driven by a new X being added to collect as opposed to enjoying the content?

I don't think the game is being designed for people who hate it (no matter what impression the forums leave). It's being designed for players who like it but also like playing other games. Play until satisfied, then go play other games, then come back for new content.

Is that such a terrible thing?

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Originally Posted by LynxDubh

Eureka and Bozja are far from dead. Both are actual pieces of evergreen content that people still run groups for today.

There's a say in the Eureka community: "Eureka never dies".

And that's still holding true. There are still daily runs of Baldesion Arsenal and Delubrum Reginae Savage and activity in both sets of overworlds. So, I would cross those off your list. One of the few reasons I'm holding out for something in DT is that there is a new Field Operation in the pipeline.

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While i agree that both aren't "dead" content, let's be honest, current peak traffic is not even a tenth of what was average back then.

It shouldn't be the case at all since this is by far the most enjoyable and time resilient pve content casual player can do in this game.

Dungeons, normal/alliance raids, extreme all of those get old after a handful of runs and you end up doing them mechanically every week without even realizing you don't have fun anymore, hell you don't even realize you're currently doing them sometime, that's how redundant and boring this content is.

So why don't they incentivize older player to go there and allow newer player to have people to play with ? No idea.

It's such a waste, even more when you think about how much casual people are craving for enjoyable content in that game, they could easily update those area by adding boss, fate and rewards and it would ask them a fraction of the work required to introduce a new dungeon.

The lack of efficiency they show when it come to content delivery is just baffling to me, a little more than 4 months for 6 hours of more or less enjoyable content (depending on the quality of the msq which hasn't be that great since 6.1) and then back to your routine until the next update in 4 months, this is absolutely pathetic.

Established players don't like doing old content. This is a tale as old as MMOs.

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Originally Posted by LynxDubh

Eureka and Bozja are far from dead. Both are actual pieces of evergreen content that people still run groups for today.

There's a say in the Eureka community: "Eureka never dies".

And that's still holding true. There are still daily runs of Baldesion Arsenal and Delubrum Reginae Savage and activity in both sets of overworlds. So, I would cross those off your list. One of the few reasons I'm holding out for something in DT is that there is a new Field Operation in the pipeline.

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It is a community effort to not kill old content but there is no systematic approach to it.. it is like ok we know SE consider this mood as dead but we want to give it another life.

Which is great but it is a community effort no developer effort

I wouldnt call Eureka or Bozja dead but at the same time I don't know why we need new content. Surely they could just expand on the existing and make each weapon the base of the new zone. That way it always breathes life into one area.

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Originally Posted by BabyYoda

I can't understand how devs are so pushed to releasing content without giving a second thought on how we can extend this content longevity,

Why we have content that is good until I got X then it will be dead content?

aside from Gold saucer which is in my opinion best thing they did I can go back each time and farm something, lottery, mini games which is not part of battle content.

Content like Eurerka and Bozja was such a waste, they were good at release until its dead with no reason to back there.

Content like criterion dungeon it is just a tragedy, it was a waste even on release.

Why not thinking of how we extend this game mode to next expansions and give people a reason to farm content?

I have seen F2P games that utilize 1 game mode for more than 4 years and you can find people doing it now.

it is like they designed the content for people who hates the game and return when there is something new for fomo.... but why? I don't think this is unintentional.

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Bozja and Eureka are not a waste at all. They have fulfilled and still fulfil their purpose to this day. While not as populated as on day one, they have plenty of people who engage with them daily. I went in the other day in Zadnoir, and there were lots of people farming it.

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Originally Posted by Syln

The lack of efficiency they show when it come to content delivery is just baffling to me, a little more than 4 months for 6 hours of more or less enjoyable content (depending on the quality of the msq which hasn't be that great since 6.1) and then back to your routine until the next update in 4 months, this is absolutely pathetic.

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This so much... we get so many one time use things, like imagine Cids Memory, the work for making that... the fight with the G-Warrior... it feels so wasted, no matter how cool it is...

They take month to make stuff we see... once? Yet we cant have 2 ex dungeons cause its too much work...

not gonna lie tho I do see variant dungeon behind a normal dungeon idea could give way more stuff to do and give you a reason to redo then other then glam

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

I wouldnt call Eureka or Bozja dead but at the same time I don't know why we need new content. Surely they could just expand on the existing and make each weapon the base of the new zone. That way it always breathes life into one area.

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If it requires doing all of the prior content to get to the newest version, then people will be mad about it. Just look at how many were ticked off at having to do Hildebrand to get to the Endwalker relics, and that can be mostly wrapped up in a couple hours by skipping cutscenes. Imagine how angry people would be if they had to grind out all of Eureka's current zones to get to new content.

I don't disagree in premise, but...

Eureka and Bozja have some of the strongest longevity of any piece of content released in this game, period.

It's not as popular as it was on launch, but that is hardly a surprise, really. Any piece of content is going to wain over time, but both Eureka and Bozja have stood that test and have enough players and popularity to actually be a good experience.

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Originally Posted by Syln

While i agree that both aren't "dead" content, let's be honest, current peak traffic is not even a tenth of what was average back then.

It shouldn't be the case at all since this is by far the most enjoyable and time resilient pve content casual player can do in this game.

Dungeons, normal/alliance raids, extreme all of those get old after a handful of runs and you end up doing them mechanically every week without even realizing you don't have fun anymore, hell you don't even realize you're currently doing them sometime, that's how redundant and boring this content is.

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I think the issue is - this is nothing more than your own personal opinion. Other people can just as easily find Eureka/Bozja style content to be boring while enjoying dungeons/raids/extremes/etc. even after doing them many times over. Heck, any of the WT objectives where you have a choice of things (e.g. do any EW alliance raid), I pick whichever one I loved the music on the most and have a blast even if it's the umpteenth time I'm doing it.

In the end, no group of players (e.g. "casuals") are monolithic and will uniformly like or uniformly dislike any particular type of content. Which is also the reason they vary the focus from expansion to expansion, so that a wider audience finds things they enjoy.

I want them to add legendary weapons and armor. We have pteranodon mount that requires 500000 skyward points for each DoL job and hunt mounts that requires you to kill thousands of marks that you can’t even grind, because you need to spawn them first and the spawn rate has a cd, why can’t we have something similar to farm gear? I also want gear to last longer, you spend MONTHS farming your bis and you have no use for it other than ultimates, assuming you do them. And even if you do, when the next patch come out you just throw away your hard earned gear and replace it with crafted gear that you can craft in an hour… That always makes me question myself what for did I farm my bis? Sure raids are fun to do, but I also wanna be rewarded and I don’t care about glam.

Vertical progression MMOs can also be called "Ladder" MMOs. You climb the ladder, and when you reach the top, there's just another ladder or the wait for another ladder. You can also climb back down to the lower ladders if there was a spot you enjoy, but it's never the same as when it was new, and it never matters beyond its level outside of achievements and mounts.

There is never long term planning in ladder type MMOs or games. There's just the new season. It's the same day in and day out, except for when they change things by fundamentally altering or adding new classes.

The great thing about it is that it makes the game easy to pick up. It's not hard to climb the ladders, ever. The bad thing about it is that it makes the game easy to put down. They basically rely on the fact that it's so easy to pick up, the amount of people picking it up will outweigh the number of people putting it down.

I would struggle to call Bozja or Eureka live content. They're both a shell of their former selves and you basically solo or run everything in 5-10 person parties whenever you do them. The majority are not intersted in filling out parties or helping others, they're just there to farm their items to sell on the MB.

Bozja for instance, most people are parked in Z3 of Zadnor and refuse to move an inch unless a FATE spawns. Getting Dalriada groups or CLL or even DR groups are a complete pain because everyone wants to sit in Z3 Zadnor and farm FATES all day.
Eureka is the same but replace that with Pyros Bunny FATES or specific NMs in Pagos.
That's content on life support, it's dead except for one specific area where people farm it for items to marketboard, but otherwise you're on your own.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

I would struggle to call Bozja or Eureka live content. They're both a shell of their former selves and you basically solo or run everything in 5-10 person parties whenever you do them. The majority are not intersted in filling out parties or helping others, they're just there to farm their items to sell on the MB.

Bozja for instance, most people are parked in Z3 of Zadnor and refuse to move an inch unless a FATE spawns. Getting Dalriada groups or CLL or even DR groups are a complete pain because everyone wants to sit in Z3 Zadnor and farm FATES all day.
Eureka is the same but replace that with Pyros Bunny FATES or specific NMs in Pagos.

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I literally ran CLL twice yesterday evening. Back-to-back, within the same instance. 20+, 30+ people in the runs. Recruiting consisted of one person shouting, "Hey, CLL is up!" all of one time.

Every time I've set foot in Eureka Pagos, Pyros, and Hydatos, it's been easy peasy to find a group (or two or three) that was just going through the list of NMs and spawning whatever happened to be off cooldown.

Perhaps Bozja and Eureka are shells of their former selves, but the idea that they've been reduced to self-centered solo players farming for gil or whatever isn't my recent experience.

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Originally Posted by KillaKilala

I want them to add legendary weapons and armor. We have pteranodon mount that requires 500000 skyward points for each DoL job and hunt mounts that requires you to kill thousands of marks that you can’t even grind, because you need to spawn them first and the spawn rate has a cd, why can’t we have something similar to farm gear? I also want gear to last longer, you spend MONTHS farming your bis and you have no use for it other than ultimates, assuming you do them. And even if you do, when the next patch come out you just throw away your hard earned gear and replace it with crafted gear that you can craft in an hour… That always makes me question myself what for did I farm my bis? Sure raids are fun to do, but I also wanna be rewarded and I don’t care about glam.

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If you want gear to have more longevity, that means removing gear as a reward from most content so the gear you do get will last longer.

What are you then expecting to be rewarded with since it would no longer be gear?

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Originally Posted by Fatch38

only live thanks to rmt, best places to farm gils so it's a paradise for bots

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It's also pretty decent for leveling alt jobs, many people still don't have the glams or mounts from there. Sure, they aren't as alive as they once were but they're doing a LOT better than stuff like Criterion Dungeons and stuff. Old content in any MMO gets less popular over time but the fact that people run it at all, two or three expansions later, makes it pretty decent, imo. They definitely have something there, they just need to improve upon it and add a reward system that will keep people coming back.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

What would keep you farming content past obtaining X? What do you think would keep others farming content past obtaining X?

I don't think the game is being designed for people who hate it (no matter what impression the forums leave). It's being designed for players who like it but also like playing other games. Play until satisfied, then go play other games, then come back for new content.

Is that such a terrible thing?

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If it comes to the point it has now where the content is being drip fed to us so slowly people leave for months and years at a time, kinda? Especially considering this is a game that requires a subscription.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

What would keep you farming content past obtaining X? What do you think would keep others farming content past obtaining X?

How many of those single content F2P games have the same players now as they had 4 years ago and how many of those players are driven by a new X being added to collect as opposed to enjoying the content?

I don't think the game is being designed for people who hate it (no matter what impression the forums leave). It's being designed for players who like it but also like playing other games. Play until satisfied, then go play other games, then come back for new content.

Is that such a terrible thing?

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The game makes up such a huge chunk of Square's annual income that it kind of is for them. If you don't do savage/ultimate prog on-content for fun, patches are so infrequent and light nowadays that you get the best experience out of the game by playing through X.0, unsubbing until X.5 comes out about 2 years later, playing through what's been added, and then because that definitely won't take 4 1/2 months, you unsub again until X+1.0 assuming you still care by that point.