AIN

This needs to go. You shouldn't be missing out bonus xp, money and crystals just because you don't play a tank or healer. As much as people think healers and tanks are the most important, it's incredibly painful in any content when your dps is trash.

AIN is not a system to reward the "most important" roles, but instead to entice those to queue up roles that are less represented in the queues. Dps is rarely a AIN because the game is incredibly oversaturated with DPS roles and players.

Tanks and healers need to be willing to do the job.
Dps are a dime a dozen and easily replaceable.

As simple as that.

The AIN bonus isn't usually worth much anyway. Eventually you realize it's not even worth it on most roulettes at most levels.

I think SE should improve the bonus: If the role is bad enough to make a #strike, to convince me to play it they have to give me something substantial in exchange.
let's say some RNG item (minion, mount, consumable....)

Yeah, they need to make the rewards for it better. 7500 gil is nothing.

They also really need to rework the system because it defaults to tanks, even if there are fewer healers sometimes. It shows tanks 95% of the time.

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Originally Posted by RinaB

This needs to go. You shouldn't be missing out bonus xp, money and crystals just because you don't play a tank or healer. As much as people think healers and tanks are the most important, it's incredibly painful in any content when your dps is trash.

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It's not even accurate. Most of the time it just says "Tank in Need" but when you actually queue as a tank you just sit there for 11 minutes. Then you requeue as a healer, still "tank in need" btw, and it pops instantly. Also the rewards are garbage. If healer is in need and I queue up for it and have to drag a bunch of newbies through some painful slog for 14 minutes while they wipe and don't respond to anything I say like NPCs, I should get loads of gil or something. What even is the reward again, like an extra 10k? A rock that you can exchange for some materia? Big whoop tbh.

As for the latter part, it's not about dps being unimportant. It's about there being too many. Nobody wants to heal because the role is boring af and the community sucks ass at this game so all you're doing is carrying them. Ditch the in need system and just give people 100k to heal roulette content lmao. Or better yet, make healing actually enjoyable, but idk how they can even do it when the game is so watered down.

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Originally Posted by FuturePastNow

Yeah, they need to make the rewards for it better. 7500 gil is nothing.

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It’s 100k+ per day if you run them all. I know people who have been playing for years with less than 5 mil

Everyone has kind of proven my point here. I don't even play dps and I think it's stupid. Those "rocks for materia" save you an assload of money. I play a sage...so what? I can't do the content without a tank and some people to actually kill things so how am I better then them? What this actually encourages Is bad tanks and healers queuing for the rewards when they'd be better suited on a dps. So it actually makes runs worse.

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Originally Posted by RinaB

Those "rocks for materia" save you an assload of money.

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They're a joke. That's what, 2 A-rank hunts worth of materia? Actually not even that because A-ranks give you hunt currency on top of the XII and XI clusters.

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Originally Posted by RinaB

Everyone has kind of proven my point here. I don't even play dps and I think it's stupid. Those "rocks for materia" save you an assload of money. I play a sage...so what? I can't do the content without a tank and some people to actually kill things so how am I better then them? What this actually encourages Is bad tanks and healers queuing for the rewards when they'd be better suited on a dps. So it actually makes runs worse.

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Logic. I think you lost it.

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Originally Posted by RinaB

So it actually makes runs worse.

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Without a tank or healer you don't make runs at all, and for what you know, the "bad tank/healer" could be worse as dps.

There is no limit to bad player's potential!

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Originally Posted by RinaB

Everyone has kind of proven my point here. I don't even play dps and I think it's stupid. Those "rocks for materia" save you an assload of money. I play a sage...so what? I can't do the content without a tank and some people to actually kill things so how am I better then them? What this actually encourages Is bad tanks and healers queuing for the rewards when they'd be better suited on a dps. So it actually makes runs worse.

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You won't be low on materia ever except the first week or two after new materia is released. Because people behave stupidly on the market board, their prices also tank so hard so quickly that you can't even get decent gill selling. The best way to encourage people to play tanks and healers is to make the roles actually fun so that tank and healer mains feel motivated to play them. You won't get diehard DPS players to pick up the healing stick no matter how braindead you make the role.

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Originally Posted by PercibelTheren

You won't be low on materia ever except the first week or two after new materia is released. Because people behave stupidly on the market board, their prices also tank so hard so quickly that you can't even get decent gill selling. The best way to encourage people to play tanks and healers is to make the roles actually fun so that tank and healer mains feel motivated to play them. You won't get diehard DPS players to pick up the healing stick no matter how braindead you make the role.

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thats something SE hasnt figured out yet.. that if a job isnt fun.. or somehow rewarding... no one wants to play it. and I agree, someone who mains DPS is unlikely to pick up healer because its a mindset, and trying force that square peg into a round hole just has never worked.

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Originally Posted by RinaB

This needs to go. You shouldn't be missing out bonus xp, money and crystals just because you don't play a tank or healer. As much as people think healers and tanks are the most important, it's incredibly painful in any content when your dps is trash.

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Why do you want to be rewarded for playing the easy classes that everyone plays? :p

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Originally Posted by All_Nonsense

Why do you want to be rewarded for playing the easy classes that everyone plays? :p

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so.. like Warrior?

If I instant queue as a DPS and it's not in need I cancel my finder.

Alliance Raid, Normal Raid, Trials often having need of DPS...

Often Alliance raids when forming you get people on where you get both the extra reward onto DPS/Heals/Tank all in one as in collecting players... often queud in as DPS with bonus and then later on noticing Tank or Heals is needed in the same roulette type, but as you have put your ticket in, you will get additional reward over the 3 job types.

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Originally Posted by Mr_Gyactus

I think SE should improve the bonus: If the role is bad enough to make a #strike, to convince me to play it they have to give me something substantial in exchange.
let's say some RNG item (minion, mount, consumable....)

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Maybe they should fix the role first and make it fun and interesting. Maybe they should also consider giving DPS more responsibilities in parties too, which is the primary reason why people don't go support, as they shy away from those.

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

thats something SE hasnt figured out yet.. that if a job isnt fun.. or somehow rewarding... no one wants to play it. and I agree, someone who mains DPS is unlikely to pick up healer because its a mindset, and trying force that square peg into a round hole just has never worked.

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I do find it quite fascinating because, at least in my experience, support mains in any game usually have a few DPS they can play but DPS players never do the same with support.

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Originally Posted by Valence

Maybe they should fix the role first and make it fun and interesting.

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Maybe there is nothing to "fix" , or better "no fix could change your opinion"?
Although I think the dps could have a little more responsibility (I proposed it myself some time ago, with conflicting opinions) I don't think someone chooses to play a DPS class to avoid responsibility, but rather because everyone wants to be a striker and no one wants to be a goalkeeper.

In short, it is an unsolvable "trinity" problem.

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Originally Posted by Mr_Gyactus

Maybe there is nothing to "fix" , or better "no fix could change your opinion"?
Although I think the dps could have a little more responsibility (I proposed it myself some time ago, with conflicting opinions) I don't think someone chooses to play a DPS class to avoid responsibility, but rather because everyone wants to be a striker and no one wants to be a goalkeeper.

In short, it is an unsolvable "trinity" problem.

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So if there is only a few goalkeepers and many strikers but the strikers only want to play strikers what’s the point of changing the goalkeeper position to better suit the strikers at the expense of the people who like being a goalkeeper when the strikers have fully said they don’t want to be goalkeepers

Healers are boring because they spend most of their time spamming a single offensive ability.

It's a fundamental design issue I never encountered in any of the other MMOs I've played and one that's easily remedied by giving them more offensive abilities and/or changing how damage is structured in the average encounter so they actually need to use their GCD healing buttons outside of emergencies.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

So if there is only a few goalkeepers and many strikers but the strikers only want to play strikers what’s the point of changing the goalkeeper position to better suit the strikers at the expense of the people who like being a goalkeeper when the strikers have fully said they don’t want to be goalkeepers

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And who is changing anything?

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

Healers are boring because they spend most of their time spamming a single offensive ability.

It's a fundamental design issue I never encountered in any of the other MMOs I've played and one that's easily remedied by giving them more offensive abilities and/or changing how damage is structured in the average encounter so they actually need to use their GCD healing buttons outside of emergencies.

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This is the striker asking the goalkeeper to be a striker.

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Originally Posted by Mr_Gyactus

And who is changing anything?




This is the striker asking the goalkeeper to be a striker.

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I mean yoshi p has explicitly said on many occasions they are designing healers to hope DPS players play them as well, ask long term dedicated healer mains and I doubt you’ll find many who prefer the modern slop over the old healers

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

I mean yoshi p has explicitly said on many occasions they are designing healers to hope DPS players play them as well, ask long term dedicated healer mains and I doubt you’ll find many who prefer the modern slop over the old healers

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Ok, but where is the meat, because this is chewing the fat. If/when there is something to discuss we'll discuss.

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Originally Posted by RinaB

What this actually encourages Is bad tanks and healers queuing for the rewards when they'd be better suited on a dps. So it actually makes runs worse.

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Many of the others playing tanks in roulettes are often just new/returning players that are tank mains (but only do story content). Plus, a lot of people will level their tanks jobs for completionist reasons despite not being good at them.

This is just the game really. Most dungeon tanks aren't likely to be that good - they never were in the past, and if they are any good now it's probably due to them being simplified/easier to understand. Getting more casual tanks into dungeons doesn't really make a difference and suits the game anyway tbh.

Anyone that seriously wants to farm materia would probably do hunt trains, or they can also do PvP or buy it.

I jump on healer for AIN for roulettes for the materia and fast queues. Main is DPS. I'd rather play healer on lower level content than my main because I get annoyed at not having all my abilities. I also regularly play tank. Not everyone only sticks to their favorite job.

if it matter that much... make a DPS. Heals and Tank... and go as needed all the time... it is very simple.

They should update the AIN system as from what I've seen being said is that the way it works it checks what's needed in the order of Tank, Healer and finally DPS... Basically, if there's even 1 group with an open Tank spot, AIN will be listed as Tank even if there's like 500 open Healer spots in parties...

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

so.. like Warrior?

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