Raid Gear design,?

Might be a silly question, but because nothing is more motivating than looking fancy.

Why is Raid and Tome gear so ugly?

Can't we have some visually pleasing raid armor ? The Last good Raid Set was Asphodelos, and the last good weapons were Abyssos, but there is little fashionable beside that and the last Tier of Pandaemonium was peak ugliness.

When i wear the current Tome Gear i look like a stupid parrot.

While I don't disagree with your opinions, I'd point out that taste is subjective.

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Originally Posted by Banggugyangu

While I don't disagree with your opinions, I'd point out that taste is subjective.

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I mean, there are already such great outfits made, but only NPC's are allowed to wear them.

Why not make the Boss Costumes into wearable gear instead of some ugly armor pieces no one wants to wear, that would also fit the theme of the raid.

Black Cat on Human
https://i.imgur.com/XdF4WVr.jpeg
Honey Bee on Aura
https://i.imgur.com/3FLLKSl.jpeg

Or stuff like this, it is from that one Boss galatea, instead of giving us the third recolour of the same armor piece.

https://i.imgur.com/wt6QsSI.jpeg

Again, I don't disagree. My only point was that taste is subjective. What one dislikes, another may like. /shrug

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Originally Posted by Arohk

Might be a silly question, but because nothing is more motivating than looking fancy.

Why is Raid and Tome gear so ugly?

Can't we have some visually pleasing raid armor ? The Last good Raid Set was Asphodelos, and the last good weapons were Abyssos, but there is little fashionable beside that and the last Tier of Pandaemonium was peak ugliness.

When i wear the current Tome Gear i look like a stupid parrot.

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Agree with the poster stating that is mostly a subjective theme. I didn't like the current set, but I know some people really do (and they match really well to the 'Mad Max' leveling items) - I personally wanted a more colorful approach with visual reference to mexican luchadores with the facekini masks.
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/6c/6c/b4/6...8c39030a21.jpg

However, there's one objective thing that can be looked upon is to keep repeating themselves - some collections really look too similar to previous items. One example of this is the Neo-Kingdom items kind of resembling the Rinascita sets from Endwalker. With more diversity with the sets they provide, more people might be happy.

You really can't expect more than one good set per role and expansion. For tank we got the Asscreed looking ilevel 700 set (best looking set in years) and now we can't expect anything good until at least mid next expac. For healers we had the one from the first 24man in EW that is okay and before that the one from the last 24man in ShB which is great (combine the top with the E7S leg item), so we should have one coming up relatively soon.

I don't personally fret about new gear aesthetics very much, myself. I have a few glams that I tend to stick with per job/role. Now, my caster glam changed up with this expansion, but I'm not one to change things up often.

Old Glam:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...9cd03f2ef5352&

New Glam:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...b87de110184d9&

Both are similar, but I think the mad-max body piece really fit the "hipster artist" vibe really well.

I always find quite fascinating to read that in universe sets are "ugly" and real life casual or carnival attires are where it's at.

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Originally Posted by Arohk

instead of some ugly armor pieces no one wants to wear

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As the other responder said, it's subjective. I wish you would frame your post in that way, rather than trying to state your opinion as fact. I quite like most of the raid pieces, personally. I actually don't really like the ones that you posted pictures of. You don't want to look like a "stupid parrot", but everyone else should be expected to want to look like a "stupid bee"? In my experience there were a lot of people who wanted the "parrot" armor when it was only on Tuliyollal NPCs. I was happy when it was released as tome hear.

There's nothing wrong with voicing an opinion on what you would like to see, but yours is not the only one that matters. Gear visuals are never going to please everyone all the time, because there is a wide range of what people enjoy.

That sums up my point of view. I'm fine with seeing gear I dislike on people because if they like it, what does my opinion matter?

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Originally Posted by Darkstride

As the other responder said, it's subjective.

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Good design is not subjective, watch here:

https://youtu.be/mVyXUMJLzE0?si=2bUA7Q3iwCW9sJEf

I think most Armor in this game suffer from "overdesign" , there is too much crap attached to the armor pieces that creates a visual clutter.

My Point is perfectly valid, just look around in the game what glamour people use.

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Originally Posted by Arohk

Good design is not subjective, watch here:

https://youtu.be/mVyXUMJLzE0?si=2bUA7Q3iwCW9sJEf

I think most Armor in this game suffer from "overdesign" , there is too much crap attached to the armor pieces that creates a visual clutter.

My Point is perfectly valid, just look around in the game what glamour people use.

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Neither mine, nor anyone else's claim was that "design" is subjective. The claim was that "taste" is subjective. Those are not the same... Let's look at the same thing with a different sense: There are numerous examples of songs produced in the last couple decades that are bad. They have low-effort, low skill, and poorly executed compositions. They are objectively bad music. Despite this, there are numerous people who love these bad songs. Why? Because despite their design and composition being objectively bad, they fit the taste of the listeners that enjoy them. Taste is 100% subjective.

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Originally Posted by Banggugyangu

Neither mine, nor anyone else's claim was that "design" is subjective. The claim was that "taste" is subjective. Those are not the same... Let's look at the same thing with a different sense: There are numerous examples of songs produced in the last couple decades that are bad. They have low-effort, low skill, and poorly executed compositions. They are objectively bad music. Despite this, there are numerous people who love these bad songs. Why? Because despite their design and composition being objectively bad, they fit the taste of the listeners that enjoy them. Taste is 100% subjective.

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But should the devs aim to cater to those with bad taste and like garbage? Or should they use their talent and make something that looks good.

Who's to say that the devs that designed the pieces you dislike don't actually like those pieces themselves? If I'm designing armor for a game, I'm not going to design something that I think looks bad. I'm going to design something I like. You'd be hard pressed to convince me that the devs of FFXIV are any different.

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Originally Posted by Arohk

But should the devs aim to cater to those with bad taste and like garbage? Or should they use their talent and make something that looks good.

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First, I'm on board with you. I don't like the current gear appearance.

But whose to say that we're the ones with good taste and those that like the current gear have bad taste? As has been repeatedly said, taste is subjective. I know players that absolutely love the current gear models. They love street gear, they love cyber punk and so the aesthetics are scoring with them.

So I shrug and make more use of my glamour dresser instead of using the new appearances.

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Originally Posted by Raikai

However, there's one objective thing that can be looked upon is to keep repeating themselves - some collections really look too similar to previous items. One example of this is the Neo-Kingdom items kind of resembling the Rinascita sets from Endwalker. With more diversity with the sets they provide, more people might be happy.

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I never took a good look at Neo Kingdom but Archeo Kingdom is 100% Rinascita updated for the second dye channel and new graphics. I know the crafted sets are frequently older gear models being reused but to be reusing such a very recent crafted set was extremely disappointing.

But I'd still rather use it (or even the original) than the current tomestone and raid gear for glamour.

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Originally Posted by Banggugyangu

Who's to say that the devs that designed the pieces you dislike don't actually like those pieces themselves? If I'm designing armor for a game, I'm not going to design something that I think looks bad. I'm going to design something I like. You'd be hard pressed to convince me that the devs of FFXIV are any different.

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Except they don't have complete creative freedom. They're going to be given a theme to work around. If the theme is not to their liking, they might well be designing something they don't personally like.

I mean to be fair the raid gear matches the theme....wrestling...i dont agree with how it looks but it gets its point across as well as tome gear. I rarely ever like tome gear so not a real miss for me.

I don't want all, or even most, of the gear we receive to appeal to me. And that's because my tastes are not everyone's tastes, so to cater to me to such an extent would mean that others' desires were being disproportionately neglected.

I love it when I see people wearing outfits I would absolutely never want to wear, because that lets them show off their personality, and I get to see that. Whether I think they look like a clown or whether they're making it work, that makes the world of FF14 a more diverse and thus interesting place to spend time.

Though honestly, I think so much of the gear in this game is great; the only reason I wear so few pieces is because the Glamour system is limited to a meager 20 outfits. If they had 200 slots, I'd probably have 200 different outfits saved, and I'd be even more desperate for more Glamour Dresser space than I am now.

I do find the current raid and tome gear pretty ugly, but as others have said, taste is subjective.

My biggest issue though is that the raid gear really isn't representative of the raid at all. Nobody in the raid wears that style of gear, it doesn't fit the futuristic aesthetic of solution 9 and the Arcadion, it feels like gear the developers had cooked up for something else and threw in there.

I absolutely love this raid's gear because it all looks like it's made out of pro wrestling belt material and I am so incredibly here for that, it's thematically perfect and the designs are dead-on what I want out of a pro wrestling themed raid. I don't want all future tiers to be the same thing, but for the first tier it is magnificent gear.

Taste is subjective.

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Originally Posted by Rydia_Misuto

I absolutely love this raid's gear because it all looks like it's made out of pro wrestling belt material and I am so incredibly here for that, it's thematically perfect and the designs are dead-on what I want out of a pro wrestling themed raid. I don't want all future tiers to be the same thing, but for the first tier it is magnificent gear.

Taste is subjective.

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You've presented an example of my whole point. Some, or maybe even most, might not like the gear, but others certainly do, and that's ok.

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Originally Posted by Ramiren

I do find the current raid and tome gear pretty ugly, but as others have said, taste is subjective.

My biggest issue though is that the raid gear really isn't representative of the raid at all. Nobody in the raid wears that style of gear, it doesn't fit the futuristic aesthetic of solution 9 and the Arcadion, it feels like gear the developers had cooked up for something else and threw in there.

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Oh exactly. I get that the theme they wanted is for you to be a MMA Fighter, because it kind of makes sense in theory, but not aesthetically. I'd rather have the gear themed after the bosses themselves: Scouting/Striking = Black Cat, Aiming = Bee, Fending/Maiming = Bomber, Caster/Healer = Wicked Thunder. But I guess that's a lot of designs to ask for.