Wuk Lamat is a primal!

Wuk Lamat came to Sharalyan and convinced rather easily the scions to assist her. Considering the repercussions of a political new leader which can cause waves in the rest of the world. The WoL may or may not have become tempered, too, since he went along with it all with no question.

Wuk Lamat solved all her problems around her with the power of friendship and will of force....but in reality, she was using her primal powers to subdue and subjugate the people around her to do her bidding.

Alisaie, the usual jump into the fray and assertive girl, and the other scions, who are always cautious about leadership types considering all the history we go through...suddenly do not mind nor question how Wuk is just going from town to town solving decade long conflicts with a smile and telling people to cooperate. Nor do they question why there is little conflict in Tural with everyone happy and content.

Wuk Lamat finds a long lost civilization of memories...and then tells them that they can still live happily together, ignoring their opposite positions. But because everyone is just robots and memories, it doesn't work out quite that well...

Until Sphene at the very last minute actually hears listens to her. Wuk Lamat's primal powers are truly something to even go beyond the physical into cyberspace.

Now we wait for one of the scions...possibly Y'shtola or Urianger, to wake up in the middle of the night one of these days and realize what just happened before they congregate and consider a plan to eradicate the primal that was under their nose all this time once and for all.

But, OP, Wuk has to be summoned first to be a primal right?!

Yes. The entirety of Tural are our enemies.

A Primal that can overcome even the Echo?!

The implications are terrifying!

EDIT: I'm not being sarcastic, btw. I'm playing along with the tone of the OP.

Then it is decided: this primal must die #WukLamatMustDie

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Originally Posted by Vensaval

A Primal that can overcome even the Echo?!

The implications are terrifying!

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Considering how everyone with the Echo bent to her will to the point their character personalities changed...yes.

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Originally Posted by Vensaval

A Primal that can overcome even the Echo?!

The implications are terrifying!

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IIRC it's the blessing of light that prevent us from being tempered, not the echo since Zodiark's enjoyer Ascian were tempered. Unless i missed something or misunderstood.

People tend to focus way too much on Wuk Lamat and way too little on the plentiful other aspects of how poorly the MSQ is written. If they killed off Wuk Lamat and we never had to see her again, I genuinely don't think that alone would improve the story one bit, because Wuk Lamat was simply the most prominent vehicle for one particular writer's lack of skill. Get rid of Wuk Lamat and that lack of skill will simply be poured into other characters, whether new or old.

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Originally Posted by LilimoLimomo

People tend to focus way too much on Wuk Lamat and way too little on the plentiful other aspects of how poorly the MSQ is written. If they killed off Wuk Lamat and we never had to see her again, I genuinely don't think that alone would improve the story one bit, because Wuk Lamat was simply the most prominent vehicle for one particular writer's lack of skill. Get rid of Wuk Lamat and that lack of skill will simply be poured into other characters, whether new or old.

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A lot of the story was poorly written, especially the setting. Each zone lacked the depth of previous expansion zones. I can accept that everyone is primitive so their history is still new. But Mamool area should have had a lot more to it, including its sister area it shares the same map with. And let's not get started on not knowing much about the important side characters. It felt like only Sphene got that, and even then it was only barebones...like a Disney movie.

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Originally Posted by Syln

IIRC it's the blessing of light that prevent us from being tempered, not the echo since Zodiark's enjoyer Ascian were tempered. Unless i missed something or misunderstood.

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Various stories demonstrate that the Ascians are not truly tempered; while they have an elemental bias towards Darkness, Emet-Selch, Fandaniel, and Mitron all take courses of action that go against the resurrection of Zodiark, with Fandaniel literally enacting a plot to kill him.

That would explain her drastic power creep.

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Originally Posted by Derio

That would explain her drastic power creep.

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It actually explains it a lot. For some reason, she kept scaling in power through the expansion, which meant the more followers she got, the stronger she was becoming.

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Originally Posted by Vensaval

A Primal that can overcome even the Echo?!

The implications are terrifying!

EDIT: I'm not being sarcastic, btw. I'm playing along with the tone of the OP.

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Originally Posted by Nitelancer

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“Wuk Lamat the kind… is a monster. Pure and radiant, she wields love to shrive clean the hearts of men. There is nothing more terrifying.”

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Indeed.....

Gaius was right.

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Originally Posted by LilimoLimomo

Various stories demonstrate that the Ascians are not truly tempered; while they have an elemental bias towards Darkness, Emet-Selch, Fandaniel, and Mitron all take courses of action that go against the resurrection of Zodiark, with Fandaniel literally enacting a plot to kill him.

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IF Ascians were tempered, it would only be Emet, Elidibus and Lahabrea, as they were present for the summoning (or a part of it in Elidibus' case). All the others are regular sundered people with inserted Ancient memories and were never in contact with a non-sealed Zodiark.

I don't think Emet has done anything against Zodiark, in ShB him giving us a chance was to see if he could recruit us to his side and stated even if that fails, he has an eternity to enact his plans.

My reasoning for them possibly being tempered is, both Emet and Elidibus were real quick to aid us after they died.

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Originally Posted by Willemdarke

I don't think Emet has done anything against Zodiark, in ShB him giving us a chance was to see if he could recruit us to his side and stated even if that fails, he has an eternity to enact his plans.

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In Endwalker there's that scene where you sit down with Emet-Selch, Hythlodaeus, and Venus, and you spill the beans about coming from the future and explain everything that's happened in the MSQ. And there's this wonderful detail from Emet-Selch:

"To sacrifice oneself for the star is a noble act, and I would hold those who gave themselves to this Zodiark in the highest esteem.

Yet you claim I recreated Amaurot and populated it with phantoms of our people. A bizarre indulgence that would be insulting to their memory.

Worse still, I even invited you there — literally invited my own downfall. Why would I do something so idiotic and inexplicable?

Now, I will allow that the hypothetical task of restoring our world would be daunting in the extreme. The thought of having to bear such a burden for a thousand thousand lives horrifies me.

But I would never forsake my duty! I would never forsake my brethren!"

As a note, Emet-Selch utters these last two exclamations with an uncertain, pained expression on his face as he looks down towards the ground, followed by a pregnant pause. The cinematography communicates Emet-Selch's lack of confidence as he emotionally exclaims a statement that he wants to believe, but lacks conviction in.

This is what just a taste of how good Ishikawa's writing is; she's explaining exactly what happened and exactly why it happened, all by using the voice of someone protesting that something — that we know happened — could never happen. And this explanation of why it happened fits with what we experienced of the Ascian Emet-Selch from Shadowbringers; he was incredibly weary. Ishikawa would not have written this, would not have directed that it be framed this way, if she did not want us to understand that in the end, Emet-Selch wore down and gave up on his duty.

Nah, If Wuk is a primal it mean they could give SMN the ability to summon her in 8.0. We don't want that.

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Originally Posted by lolnotacat

Gaius was right.

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Remember us....

...remember...that we once glibbed :C

If enthralling people was all you needed to be a Primal sure.

But the Primal’s we’ve met are aware of the needs of those that summoned them. And offer them “help” by granting those needs in twisted ways (think Lakshmi) or exploiting it by saying I need more worshipers and/or crystals.

Wuk Lamat barely knew her immediate neighbors, the Hanu Hanh and the Pelupelu

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Originally Posted by Papayatar

If enthralling people was all you needed to be a Primal sure.

But the Primal’s we’ve met are aware of the needs of those that summoned them. And offer them “help” by granting those needs in twisted ways (think Lakshmi) or exploiting it by saying I need more worshipers and/or crystals.

Wuk Lamat barely knew her immediate neighbors, the Hanu Hanh and the Pelupelu

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What do you mean ? She knew the need of the fat chicken people, they needed to party !

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Originally Posted by MartinFreeman

Wuk Lamat came to Sharalyan and convinced rather easily the scions to assist her. Considering the repercussions of a political new leader which can cause waves in the rest of the world. The WoL may or may not have become tempered, too, since he went along with it all with no question.

Wuk Lamat solved all her problems around her with the power of friendship and will of force....but in reality, she was using her primal powers to subdue and subjugate the people around her to do her bidding.

Alisaie, the usual jump into the fray and assertive girl, and the other scions, who are always cautious about leadership types considering all the history we go through...suddenly do not mind nor question how Wuk is just going from town to town solving decade long conflicts with a smile and telling people to cooperate. Nor do they question why there is little conflict in Tural with everyone happy and content.

Wuk Lamat finds a long lost civilization of memories...and then tells them that they can still live happily together, ignoring their opposite positions. But because everyone is just robots and memories, it doesn't work out quite that well...

Until Sphene at the very last minute actually hears listens to her. Wuk Lamat's primal powers are truly something to even go beyond the physical into cyberspace.

Now we wait for one of the scions...possibly Y'shtola or Urianger, to wake up in the middle of the night one of these days and realize what just happened before they congregate and consider a plan to eradicate the primal that was under their nose all this time once and for all.

But, OP, Wuk has to be summoned first to be a primal right?!

Yes. The entirety of Tural are our enemies.

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I could forgive them for DT MSQ if this was the plot twist.

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Originally Posted by MartinFreeman

Wuk Lamat came to Sharalyan and convinced rather easily the scions to assist her. Considering the repercussions of a political new leader which can cause waves in the rest of the world. The WoL may or may not have become tempered, too, since he went along with it all with no question.

Wuk Lamat solved all her problems around her with the power of friendship and will of force....but in reality, she was using her primal powers to subdue and subjugate the people around her to do her bidding.

Alisaie, the usual jump into the fray and assertive girl, and the other scions, who are always cautious about leadership types considering all the history we go through...suddenly do not mind nor question how Wuk is just going from town to town solving decade long conflicts with a smile and telling people to cooperate. Nor do they question why there is little conflict in Tural with everyone happy and content.

Wuk Lamat finds a long lost civilization of memories...and then tells them that they can still live happily together, ignoring their opposite positions. But because everyone is just robots and memories, it doesn't work out quite that well...

Until Sphene at the very last minute actually hears listens to her. Wuk Lamat's primal powers are truly something to even go beyond the physical into cyberspace.

Now we wait for one of the scions...possibly Y'shtola or Urianger, to wake up in the middle of the night one of these days and realize what just happened before they congregate and consider a plan to eradicate the primal that was under their nose all this time once and for all.

But, OP, Wuk has to be summoned first to be a primal right?!

Yes. The entirety of Tural are our enemies.

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For 8.0 your new demi-summon will be Wuk Lamat. Enkindle Wuk Lamat.

Wuk Lamat has joined your forum.

I heard you all are having fun. Pray speak to me, walk with me, nickname with me, praise me, need me, comitte ur life to me.

THIS FORUM WAS SHUT DOWN DUE TO CORRUPTED NATURE...
- WHO SAID U COULD SHUT THIS DOWN -

WUK LAMAT REMOVES GM PRIVELAGE AND NOW DEMANDS UR PLAYER AGENCY!!!!

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Originally Posted by LilimoLimomo

People tend to focus way too much on Wuk Lamat and way too little on the plentiful other aspects of how poorly the MSQ is written.

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Uh ... no? If you actually read the most of the discussion a lot of people said a lot of thing about the msq in general and not just Wuk Lamat. But she's the mascot and main character of the story, so naturally she becomes the face of the issue. Just because a lot of complain is about her specifically (and for good reason), doesn't mean people are not talking about other issues. They're not mutual exclusive.

we have primal called Lakshmi, it attack by charming us

we have brown cat want to be called as Lamaty'i and she somehow make everyone bend to her will and complete yes man to her

are we on to something here guys?

You know those corrupted orange crystals that the Pelupelu merchants got ripped off with?...

Tell me, for whom do you fight?

How very glib,

and do you believe in Tural yolo ai?

Turalyoloai’s unity is forged on falsehoods. Its scattered tribes are united in deceit, and its queen is an instrument of revulsion. She is naught but a blackhole sue - to believe in Poochie is to believe in nothing. In Turalyoloai, the people often summon Poochie to fight in their stead.

Though your comrades only rarely need to join in

which is strange, is it not? Is Poochie otherwise “engaged”? I was given to understand she was your protector. If you truly believe her your guardian, why do you not repeat the trick that served you so well at Carteneau, and call for her help?

Poochie will answer, so long as you lavish her with crystals and gorge her on aether. She is no different from the primals of the beasts - eikons, every one. Accept but this, and you will see how the twins faith is bleeding the land dry. Nor is this unknown to Square Enix, which prompts the question - why do they cling to this false deity? What drives even men of learning, even Yoshida-san to grovel at her feet?

The answer?

The archons lack the strength to do otherwise! For the land of Turalyoloai to mean anything, Poochie must own the world.To this end, she hath fought ever to raise herself through conflict, to grow strong while boring us to tears.

And when the dust of battle settles, it is this orange cat who dictate the fate of the star.

Knowing this, but a single path is open to the Warrior of Light - that of false worship. It's a path which leads to enervation and death but only Poochie can rightly steer the course of civilization. And in this land of creeping mendacity that one truth will prove its salvation.

Come, champion of Eorzea, help her! Your tempered subservience shall serve as proof of her readiness to rule! It is only right that she should solo your dungeons, for none among you has the power to stop her!