[Spoiler] Did they forget Porxies exist?

When we met the child oversaturated with lightning eather, did the writers forget, that we've already cured this?
With Angelo and his fellow Porxies, we cures light-overaspecting in the First and various elemental oversaturations of tempered in the Source.
To me it sounds like pretty much the same issue, he's essentially a tempered without a master, in a manner of speaking.

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Originally Posted by No_Nick_Needed

When we met the child oversaturated with lightning eather, did the writers forget, that we've already cured this?
With Angelo and his fellow Porxies, we cures light-overaspecting in the First and various elemental oversaturations of tempered in the Source.
To me it sounds like pretty much the same issue, he's essentially a tempered without a master, in a manner of speaking.

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I’m pretty sure it’s going to come up again in the patch MSQ since they bothered showing it and they have an apartment we can visit in-game.

But it’s not like the characters are walking around with pocket porxies we can use at any time either.

I actually think it's presumptive that this is even curable via porxie. There's a couple ways that I could easily see that not working (not even 'failing', just 'not even baseline viable'). In ascending order of plausibility in my mind:

1. Tempering and light corruption is essentially the aetheric equivalent of an infection; that's an extant, foreign and directed influence on the body, something that can be targeted and quashed. If that lightning sickness is instead more environmental, akin to something like hypothermia, then there's just nothing to fight or remove.
2. Curing tempering and light corruption wasn't being done while the things causing it are still around. If you cure this imbalance of lightning aether caused by the environment, while the environment is still exactly the same... I mean, you haven't really done anything.
3. We know that once physical changes manifest, curing tempering doesn't help. (It's not made clear if it's 'we can't fix that part' or 'at this point they're uncurable'.) In those cases physical changes were visible changes, but I think an incurable medical disorder is absolutely a 'physical change'.

Are all these presumptive? Yes, and I'd certainly like a little side-story discussing it officially. But I think narratively speaking, it's pretty clear that we were being faced with something tragically unfixable; that there's nothing Sphene, or anyone in her kingdom, can do about this. So logically, a story about trying to solve this with a porxie wouldn't be about 'how does the porxie fix this problem', it would be 'why can the porxie not help, and how do we deal with that'.

Even if it's not possible, I still think it should have at least been discussed, among the Scions after meeting the boy of course. No need to get the mother's hope up, with something that might just be a wild theory. The similarities of the conditions are striking enough that someone should at least think of it. As for pocket porxies... yeah, they kind of are. We've seen Alisaie summon Angelo literally from thin air, like a summoner brings out a Carbuncle or a Scholar their Eos/Selene. I'd be surprised if Alisaie has Angelo stored somewhere at home... if such a thing is even possible.

In regards to physical changes, if I remember correctly, the only tempered that were beyond saving, where those that were visibly mutated, which isn't the case for the child... yet. He doesn't even have glowing eyes, though since the light-infected didn't have those either, I suspect that glowing eyes are a sign of the connection to a primal, rather than the first visible change of the body.

For the enviromental angle, there is an even easier remedy (or at least an attempt of one) than a Porxie: Putting the boy on a strecher and carrying him the 15 or so minutes through what's left of Vanguard and outside the lightning dome, where they have lots and lots of elementally balanced room. Of couse he'll need an escort, so the monsters don't snack on him, but between the WoL, Scions and Hunters, that should be easy enough to arrange.

That is, if it's even necessary. I suspect that the reason why the Alexandria/Erenville's village overlap was overloaded with lightning and stayed that way for 30 years, was the open portal to the lightning flooded reflection and/or the lightning dome, or maybe the different flow of time. Now this portal is closed and Alexandria is in temporal sync with the Source (or however you wanna call it), it could be, that over time the excess lightning will sort of leech into the surroundings, bringing the area back into elemental balance. Though more likely, we'll need to shut down the lighting dome for that first, which sounds like something we would do in a .x patch MSQ.

I certainly hope that both the dome and the condition of the boy and the others like him, will be picked up, almost as much as I'm looking forward to diving deeper into the Tender Valley - Rhonkar connection, hopefully with a tie-in for Amdapor Keep, since they also had statues similar to things found in the First.

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

But it’s not like the characters are walking around with pocket porxies we can use at any time either.

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Is this sarcasm? It's hard to say when written. Because there is litterally Alisaie in the city at that moment.

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Originally Posted by CNitsah

Is this sarcasm? It's hard to say when written. Because there is litterally Alisaie in the city at that moment.

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Where is she keeping it then?

I find it very difficult to believe that Alisae is walking around with a porxie “just in case”, considering their size, fragility (they’re made of clay), and unwieldiness. We don’t see one at any moment in the expansion and it’s not like she has extra-dimensional pockets. They’re being used back in Eorzea to heal the otherwise incurably ill so it seems frivolous to bring one on vacation to the other side of the world.

Also, summoning primals meant to temper seems to be isolated to just locations where Ascians were getting involved, which is just the 3 Great Continents plus Meracydia. There would be no reason to bring a porxie across the sea to cure tempering where tempering doesn’t exist and that sick boy with levin sickness didn’t even exist on the Source until after his city suffused with lightning aether randomly appeared, which no one could have foresaw.

As Cleretic pointed out, it’s likely something atmospheric rather than in the boy causing the problem.

Fortunately we already have something that supposedly blocks certain aetheric effects in Vrtra’s talisman scales.

I suspect that would be the best in game lore friendly route to use, but I also expect the game to just have Koana to have some kind of miracle cure we’ve never even heard of before ready to go, but totally hand waves the problem away.

Something like “oh yeah didn’t you know this here Pelupelu tea just happens to dampen Lightning aether! Go figure!”

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

Where is she keeping it then?

I find it very difficult to believe that Alisae is walking around with a porxie “just in case”, considering their size, fragility (they’re made of clay), and unwieldiness. We don’t see one at any moment in the expansion and it’s not like she has extra-dimensional pockets. They’re being used back in Eorzea to heal the otherwise incurably ill so it seems frivolous to bring one on vacation to the other side of the world.

Also, summoning primals meant to temper seems to be isolated to just locations where Ascians were getting involved, which is just the 3 Great Continents plus Meracydia. There would be no reason to bring a porxie across the sea to cure tempering where tempering doesn’t exist and that sick boy with levin sickness didn’t even exist on the Source until after his city suffused with lightning aether randomly appeared, which no one could have foresaw.

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We see Alisaie summon Angelo from thin air on multiple occasions and we were literally right there with her, when she created Angelo...
It might be different for the mass-produced Porxies, that Matoya's Porxy Queen "birthed" and which were distributed to the alliance, but Angelo is just aether given form, like Summoner Carbuncles and Scholar Fairies.

You could write entire books about what the writer of Dawntrail forgot about the world he was writing a story in.

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Originally Posted by No_Nick_Needed

We see Alisaie summon Angelo from thin air on multiple occasions and we were literally right there with her, when she created Angelo...
It might be different for the mass-produced Porxies, that Matoya's Porxy Queen "birthed" and which were distributed to the alliance, but Angelo is just aether given form, like Summoner Carbuncles and Scholar Fairies.

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We watch Alisae initially make Angelo from all the ingredients that needed to be gathered, it wasn’t formed purely of aether. Carbuncles, nixies, porxies, and scholar fairies all need a physical catalyst. Carbuncles are made up of aether the summoner forms from an actual precious stone, nixies are the same but for water, porxies are clay, and faeries are tied to the scholar job stone. The rules for familiars seem to be consistent that way and we see Y’shtola make a nixie the same way.

While the cutscenes and gameplay may have glossed over it just like how giving objects to people and other things are never fully shown on screen to save development time/costs, Alisae will need the ingredients for a porxie whenever she makes one. Unless there’s something in the lore I’m missing that once initially made, it can be summoned from nothing, whenever she pulled it out she would have known she was going to need it and would have the clay that forms a porxie ready.

The thing most odd to me was that after noticing we clearly skipped any mention of Porxies to help this situation is that the Queen clearly explains the entire world they came from used technology that changed Lighting Aether to anything else. That's how the city functions. So why are the people sick with too much lightning aether sleeping on regular beds in regular rooms? All your technology changes lighting aether to something else and no one knows how to remove excess lightning aether from the body? They can literally split souls apart from memory, store both without corruption, and redistribute them as prizes for doing chores, but they haven't figured out how to isolate a sick patient in a room without any lightning energy? Like the whole problem seems utterly ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

I suspect that would be the best in game lore friendly route to use, but I also expect the game to just have Koana to have some kind of miracle cure we’ve never even heard of before ready to go, but totally hand waves the problem away.

Something like “oh yeah didn’t you know this here Pelupelu tea just happens to dampen Lightning aether! Go figure!”

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I feel like if this problem actually is fixed, it's going to be something like this, although I very much doubt it'll be a 'hand-wave' solution.

A logical next step of the MSQ is probably exploring the new neighboring relationship between Tural and Alexandria. And while diplomatic relations are important and what the story's currently been on the level of, it does make sense that the next step would be 'so what can we do for each other', and Tural having the tools or expertise to solve a very Alexandrian problem is actually a pretty solid angle.

It'd especially be a neat focus for a Koana story, as he'd be faced with the fact that maybe his own country's not a dumb backwater that needs help from everyone else; that they've got things to offer. That'd have to be a real story to explore it, though, you wouldn't just handwave it. Especially because it's honestly a really minor element; if they just wanted to go 'don't worry about it' they'd be more likely to ignore it completely than to give it a cheap answer.

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Originally Posted by NobleWinter

The thing most odd to me was that after noticing we clearly skipped any mention of Porxies to help this situation is that the Queen clearly explains the entire world they came from used technology that changed Lighting Aether to anything else. That's how the city functions.

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I think this is a really interesting point. Eden's plotline used aspected summons to try to rebalance the Empty. You should also in theory be able to do this to address lightning-aspected aetheric corruption in the environs of Solution 9, if the technology lets you convert between aspected aether types at will.

If we're going the route of abducting Porxies to help out in S9, though, might we nab Ezel II? He's also great at eating bad dreams, and I'm sure that the Pixies wouldn't notice immediately. You'd just need a reasonably sized burlap sac and dimensional travel. I would definitely be up for an Ezel II story arc in the patch MSQ. He could even be the new main character this time around and defeat the final boss for us. I would totally be in for this.

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Originally Posted by LilimoLimomo

You could write entire books about what the writer of Dawntrail forgot about the world he was writing a story in.

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The best part is that they've already been written.

"Only an Ascian could ever possibly know what shard this is. Who cares anyways, it's not like I'm a shard scholar or anything." (rough paraphrasing, Y'shtola Rhul, Archon with a research interest in dimensional travel)

Looks over at the EE volume 3 p.13, sees only four unexplored intact shards, and watches as Hiroi marks in 'e' on a four-answer multiple choice question.

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Originally Posted by Lyth

"Only an Ascian could ever possibly know what shard this is. Who cares anyways, it's not like I'm a shard scholar or anything." (rough paraphrasing)
Looks over at the EE volume 3 p.13, sees only four unexplored intact shards, and watches as Hiroi marks in 'e' on a four-answer multiple choice question.

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Okay you're just being obstinate here. The entire point is that you don't know; sure, you've got a 25% chance of being right if you take a stab, but who's going to confirm it? Being right means nothing with no way to check your work; if you baselessly got a one-in-four chance right, I'm not going to be impressed unless you can tell me you had actual reasoning. I can look out my window, point at a star and say 'that one's got aliens around it', but nobody knows for sure, and it's not impressive if I just guessed right.

Also, the EE3 itself is of... dubious factual value even in-universe. The first page basically says 'look the Scions came back and said some wild stuff, and we don't think they're lying, but we can't fact-check any of this'. We as players know it's legit, but frankly some of the specific facts even we can't verify. I have no reason to doubt that the shards they listed as still there are, in fact, still there, but I have no idea how they'd actually be able to know or check.

I remember it being worded more like "lightning aether allergy" rather than direct imbalance.

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Originally Posted by Cleretic

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'I do not have the knowledge to prove or disprove your conclusion. In my mortal years, I doubt that I could even approach the wisdom of the Ea. But of one thing I am absolutely certain: I would not be happier in ignorance.' (also Y'shtola Rhul, Archon with an interest in dimensional travel, Where Kn∞wledge Leads, Lv.89)

Y'shtola's speech to the Ea has always resonated with me. I think doubt and uncertainty drive human knowledge, and there are parallels to game lore in this too. I'm okay with not knowing right now. But asking me to believe that we won't ever know something and should stop trying? That's a lot harder. I think if you can already narrow the choices down to four, then it's likely we can narrow this down even further with more information. I think Mitron's statements in the Eden storyline are relevant here as well, because we know that Floods create linked aetheric imbalances on other worlds (i.e. Flood of Darkness on the 13th and the Light-aspected imbalance on the First). So it wouldn't take much to pinpoint a specific world out of the remaining choices, and we've discussed some postulates about this already in another thread.

On the subject of the EE, I would have accepted your point even a few months ago. If we take the EE as an in-universe text, then its authors are fallible. I'm not sure if you remember this, but one of my first posts in this subforum was about the possibility of the Loporrits basing their views of humanity off of an early edition of the EE.

But Anonymoose recently linked an interesting article in which Yoshi-p discusses the role of the EE:

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I'm going to make a small point about reflections. What you can find in the Encyclopaedia Eorzea is considered canon. There won't be any plot twists like “It was written in the Enclyclopaedia Eorzea that this world had disappeared because of a calamity and rejoined the Source, but in reality it hadn't disappeared at all”.

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That's a pretty interesting statement, because it places a lot of factual significance on the EE. And the interview confirms this point on the reflections as well:

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Go back to the Encyclopaedia Eorzea, take a look at the diagram of the different reflections and make a history of what has disappeared. This should help you.

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By the way, that chart he's talking about is in the EE volume 3, p.13. See my previous post for details.

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Originally Posted by Lyth

Y'shtola's speech to the Ea has always resonated with me. I think doubt and uncertainty drive human knowledge, and there are parallels to game lore in this too. I'm okay with not knowing right now. But asking me to believe that we won't ever know something and should stop trying? That's a lot harder. I think if you can already narrow the choices down to four, then it's likely we can narrow this down even further with more information. I think Mitron's statements in the Eden storyline are relevant here as well, because we know that Floods create linked aetheric imbalances on other worlds (i.e. Flood of Darkness on the 13th and the Light-aspected imbalance on the First). So it wouldn't take much to pinpoint a specific world out of the remaining choices, and we've discussed some postulates about this already in another thread.

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You are not actually addressing what I said, you're making an entirely different comment (that actually agrees with me; yes the EE3 information is true, yes it's a bit weird that its writers know that stuff). And it sounds nice, sure, but I don't really care to address it. To go back to my actual post, I'm gonna let the game itself say this one instead of letting your paraphrase stand:

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Originally Posted by Y'shtola, quoted literally rather than paraphrased

Beyond lies an unknown reflection. Short of asking an Ascian, we have no way of identifying which it is.

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Originally Posted by Wuk Lamat, also quoted literally

Well, what we do know is that it's Sphene's domain--a place where she brings back those who've been lost. So for now, why don't we call it the unlost world!

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You were the one that asserted that she does not care; the rest of the scene shows that she very clearly does. But I think there's one important thing here: Present tense. She's not saying that it's some grand unknown that she's accepting forever more, she's saying, right now, that they don't know what shard's through that gate--but with Wuk Lamat pointing out that at least they have an idea of what's on the other end.

The point Y'shtola was making is that we don't know right now, and that perhaps those academic truths aren't that useful at the moment. It's not the writers throwing in the towel and erasing the curiosity at the core of her identity: it's basic in-the-moment prioritization. They didn't 'pick a fifth out of four options', they just realized it's not worth declaring any right now.

It might be localization nuance, but Y'shtola didn't qualify her statement with a 'right now'. If you're also of the mind that we could prove which shard this is through further data gathering, then I won't disagree with your sentiment. I think that mindset of wanting to know is central to lore.

It's never not worth it. What does utility have to do with anything? Several of our travelling companions have done research dissertations. When did a topic being 'just academic' ever stop the Scions from nerding out over it?

I belive the reason they didn't bother trying porxies is because the issue has absolutely nothing to do with tempering... rather it seemed to me to be more like an extreme alergic reaction, or a lack of resistance to lightning aether making them very susceptible to it's effects, so as long as the afflicted stay in a region with strong lightning aether, there is nothing that can be done, even if they do relieve the symptoms the sickness would still remains and they would soon relapse anyways...

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Originally Posted by Luizgazen

I belive the reason they didn't bother trying porxies is because the issue has absolutely nothing to do with tempering... rather it seemed to me to be more like an extreme alergic reaction, or a lack of resistance to lightning aether making them very susceptible to it's effects, so as long as the afflicted stay in a region with strong lightning aether, there is nothing that can be done, even if they do relieve the symptoms the sickness would still remains and they would soon relapse anyways...

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I was thinking it was caused by Solution Nine's equivalent of "city air".

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Originally Posted by Dorito_Burrito

I was thinking it was caused by Solution Nine's equivalent of "city air".

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Exactly, lightning aspected aether being said "city air"

Which brings me back to the other solution: Now that they have an exit from the lightning-flooded Alexandria, to the elementally balanced Tulral, why not try taking the boy on a little trip to the new neighbors? Assuming they find someone who can give them an adequate escort, the worst that can happen is that the boy sees something else than the room he spent probably his entire life in and there's at least a chance it might improve his condition.
Granted, the mother might not know that vanguard has been smashed to pieces and free access to Tural is now possible, but we do know it, since we did it, so the WoL could suggest this.

It's glaringly obvious that it's a Patch plot line that will be addressed and possibly solved at the point in a narrative where there is room and narrative sense to address it- not during Sphene's carefully orchestrated tour of Alexandria where we are trying to gather intel and possible allies to take down Zoraal Ja in a time-sensitive manner.

Summoning porxies without the time, labor, and aether saving Mother Porxie that we did the Matoya Relict dungeon to create is neither quick nor safe when in uncertainly to soon-to-be-confirm hostile territory, especially when the tempering cure is memories and only a certain threshold of aether imbalance caused by an isolated blast of aspected aether. A genetic condition is different.

And the oversaturated electric aether of Alexandria itself is all-but-stated outright to be the cause, to which, yes, taking the afflicted outside of Vanguard is the best solution and the one not available at that point in the MSQ. Post MSQ it is, and thus I will be highly surprised if it isn't brought up in 7.1.

Should have brought it up for Sphene, but doubt it would have changed much seeing how the blue gecko would still have committed a massacre of the Alexandrians kicking Sphene AI into panic genocide mode.

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Originally Posted by Denishia

And the oversaturated electric aether of Alexandria itself is all-but-stated outright to be the cause, to which, yes, taking the afflicted outside of Vanguard is the best solution and the one not available at that point in the MSQ. Post MSQ it is, and thus I will be highly surprised if it isn't brought up in 7.1.

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I feel like they're going to need a plot reason as to why the rest of Etheirys can't just start grabbing electrope and leap forward a thousand years in technology, and being around it causing serious health issues (especially in people not used to it) would be a good excuse.

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Originally Posted by ngwoo

I feel like they're going to need a plot reason as to why the rest of Etheirys can't just start grabbing electrope and leap forward a thousand years in technology, and being around it causing serious health issues (especially in people not used to it) would be a good excuse.

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I can think of 2 reasons off the top of my head: Electrope is a limited resource, due to not being native to the source, and that electrope needs to be charged for it to do anything. Alexandria has the dome of perpetual lightning to solve that but where else is going to have that much electrical energy that constantly?

Living Memory exists on their home reflection, we could presumably get an entire world's worth of electrope from there.

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Originally Posted by ngwoo

I feel like they're going to need a plot reason as to why the rest of Etheirys can't just start grabbing electrope and leap forward a thousand years in technology, and being around it causing serious health issues (especially in people not used to it) would be a good excuse.

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You're assuming they want it.

Remember, high-tech isn't exactly a foreign concept in most of the world; the Garlean Empire was a thing, and it was a thing for long enough that even before they fell and stopped trying to conquer and subjugate the planet, general society had a chance to pick up some of their tricks. And you know what they picked? Airships, and one Ishgardian gun club.

Eorzean society already had a chance to step up their technological game, and they said 'no' then, too. That's kinda the funny thing about a magical setting: in the real world a technological leap can just be objectively better, but in a world where magical teleportation exists does a motorbike really have that much to offer?

I wonder if electrope would still work, if you infused it with raw aether, like from the aether font, or if it can be charged with corrupted lightning crystals, which are still plentyful in Eorzea.

Someone might also get the idea to charge it by summoning a lightning primal, like Ramuh. And now thinking about it, that could even work. Pick a very remote region, so there's no chance for collateral damage, equip the team with warding scales. Then have them summon the primal, with the wish to charge the electrope, which should result in the primal pouring lightning bolts into the stones until it's aether runs out and it disappears again. Like that it should be quite safe and you could use any kind of aether or crystals to eventually charge the electrope.

As for how limited it is... even in the merged section of Alexandria, we have a sizeable electrope mine and we saw how much someone can do with a palm-sized electrope cube in 4th Arcadion fight, so even this limited amount of electrope could still have a massive impact.

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Originally Posted by Cleretic

You're assuming they want it.

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Not necessarily @ you, but just to add:

It's also probably a lot of "Well that's just how the story is", as to why most societies won't mass adopt Electrope, even if it was easy to get.

Like, we already have magic moon-bunnies that can mass-3d-print entire structures/cities. There's no reason for refugees to even exist outside of Ul'dah, or for Ishgard to not be 100% repaired and to no longer have the semi-homeless "Brume" class of people.

Even if we ignore the moon bunnies, I have an entire personal island that could easily serve as home for the entire Garlean population (or refugees, or whoever no longer wants to get by as a Dirt Farmer), but I guess the master plan there is to turn it into the "WoL Monster Island" if I ever go primal due to overwhelming power, or those people just really took to heart the whole "we were made to suffer".

tl;dr:

The world just will not and does not need to make logical sense.

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Originally Posted by No_Nick_Needed

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From Endwalker on, we can now summon without threat of tempering, so there's no real need for the warding scale...but better safe than sorry!

Regarding the Electrope mine, maaaybe, but I'm not sure it's just a raw mineral we can mine. As in, we couldn't goto a dump and "mine" for electronic circuits and expect them to be useable or even intact once pulled. But, it might be we can do something akin to recycling from old electronics to make a new version once we understand how the circuitry works.

It makes for an interesting angle, assuming they don't just do a "Alexander's back! BTW you have to have done the Alexander raids to continue!"

As far as understanding the circuitry goes, we were told that they are based on Arkanist magic symbols, if I remember the talks with Krile's parrents correctly, so that'd mean that at least Limsa Lominsa is in a relatively good position to begin research into Electrope, without even the need to rely on plot convenience, especially if they team up with one of the technological groups like Garlond Ironworks, Garlean engineers or some Loporit technicians.

Though what we know of Electrope's inner working is so vague, any faction could potentially find a way to use it right now. Just take Gridania as an example, surely everyone's last candidate for meshing well with technology, but inside that Electrope flows elemental aether, and the Gridanians have based much of their culture on communicating with the elementals, so it wouldn't be entirely non-sensical, even for the most non-technological faction to work something out. That being said, they would however be the least likely to even make the attempt, in my opinion... well, apart from the dragons maybe. If you are naturally evolved to a point that you can fight even the Omicrons and Omega to a stand-still, you don't need such a "trifle" as electrope. ^^

Something I noticed while doing the sidequests to unlock flight in Urqopacha:

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Nopli is referring to corrupted crystals, which he purchased from an Ul'dahn merchant. These crystals are visually identical to the ones seen in Eastern Thanalan, which are notably only a fraction of the surface-level remnants of the battle between Bahamut and Phoenix, iirc. By that I mean there's also a colossal amount of corrupted crystals beneath the continent's surface, see: Binding Coils of Bahamut.

The thing is, the practical use Nopli suggests for them? It's word for word how Electrope functions. Because of this, I believe Electrope's origin may have been similar. In fact, the way both function and their respective origins suggests to me that they may actually be akin to a planetary defense mechanism. Like, an auto-immune response to dangerously high levels of a singular element.

First off: Yes. Alisaie as far as we know can(!) summon Angelo when she wants. This is shown when bringing in Angelo to cure the tempered Kobold near the Aftcastle in the 5.4 or 5.5 questline.
Second: Porxies are a cure for tempering. But that solution was only reached after we tested it with Angelo on the Au Ra boy in the first. As a means to bring his inner ether into motion and equilibrium again.
We also learn that this method does only work when the environment is supporting it. Aka the WoL getting rid of the abundance of light in the First.
This leads into one problem regarding the population in the dome. The dome is made out of a good chunk of levin ether. So in order to cure them totally, the dome either needs to go or they need to move out into Tural again. To be cured there. Just using a porxie there, would only have been a temporary alleviation.
I agree though with the OP, that not bringing that topic of at least a temporary cure up at all in the story, feels totally out of place

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Originally Posted by Cleretic

I actually think it's presumptive that this is even curable via porxie. There's a couple ways that I could easily see that not working (not even 'failing', just 'not even baseline viable'). In ascending order of plausibility in my mind:

1. Tempering and light corruption is essentially the aetheric equivalent of an infection; that's an extant, foreign and directed influence on the body, something that can be targeted and quashed. If that lightning sickness is instead more environmental, akin to something like hypothermia, then there's just nothing to fight or remove.
2. Curing tempering and light corruption wasn't being done while the things causing it are still around. If you cure this imbalance of lightning aether caused by the environment, while the environment is still exactly the same... I mean, you haven't really done anything.
3. We know that once physical changes manifest, curing tempering doesn't help. (It's not made clear if it's 'we can't fix that part' or 'at this point they're uncurable'.) In those cases physical changes were visible changes, but I think an incurable medical disorder is absolutely a 'physical change'.

Are all these presumptive? Yes, and I'd certainly like a little side-story discussing it officially. But I think narratively speaking, it's pretty clear that we were being faced with something tragically unfixable; that there's nothing Sphene, or anyone in her kingdom, can do about this. So logically, a story about trying to solve this with a porxie wouldn't be about 'how does the porxie fix this problem', it would be 'why can the porxie not help, and how do we deal with that'.

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Ima have to call bull shit on this. It fully explained this is caused by the body shifting to lightning side of the aether meaning that yeah porxie can fix this your body has to be align to balance. Now if it follows same rules as tempering meaning the time limit then yeah i can see this not working but yeah this can be fixed totally.

This is the same situation as the kid in the First but on a different degree.

They need to re-balance the aether but also regulate the environment. There's not point rebalancing the aether if the kid is going to live in a "polluted" environment.
The same way you can cure a smoker lungs but what's the point if they keep smoking?

It might be even a different situation, the kid might not even need the porxie and just a balanced environment

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Originally Posted by Rosenstrauch

Something I noticed while doing the sidequests to unlock flight in Urqopacha:

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Nopli is referring to corrupted crystals, which he purchased from an Ul'dahn merchant. These crystals are visually identical to the ones seen in Eastern Thanalan, which are notably only a fraction of the surface-level remnants of the battle between Bahamut and Phoenix, iirc. By that I mean there's also a colossal amount of corrupted crystals beneath the continent's surface, see: Binding Coils of Bahamut.

The thing is, the practical use Nopli suggests for them? It's word for word how Electrope functions. Because of this, I believe Electrope's origin may have been similar. In fact, the way both function and their respective origins suggests to me that they may actually be akin to a planetary defense mechanism. Like, an auto-immune response to dangerously high levels of a singular element.

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Can't wait for the source to have a great war over corrupted crystals and use it for ever greater weapons and ever greater technology.

It was odd for them to bring up a problem we likely have a solution to without us mentioning we might be able to solve it. When it was first introduced, I thought it was going to be a way to show Sphene we might be able to solve her problems without her having to just kill everyone, but I was naïve to think we'd try to solve problems with cooperation rather than violence because of the first half of the expansion. :rolleyes:

However, they didn't do anything with it one way or another, so that makes me believe it will come up again in the future.