Usage of Phoenix Down

Can we finally allow the usage of Phoenix Down mid combat or find an alternative?

This is not a complaint about the increased combat difficulty, but it certainly resurrected (no pun intended) my old grievances with how Phoenix Down works in the game, it borderline serves no purpose as it is now.

With the increased difficulty not only the chances are higher that players are dying, we also got 2 new DPS job who don't have a resurrect.
With every DPS job who can't resurrect added to the game, our chances of having backup resurrects are getting lower and lower.

I think it would be a good addition if Tanks and DPS would get a role ability with like 120sec cooldown as Phoenix Down to salvage otherwise lost situations.

Thoughts?

No. It's okay to wipe. It's okay to fail. Not everything needs a failsafe.

If they gut summoner and rdm ress because reasons, then this should be the compromise. One phoenix down per player per fight.

its helpful in deep dungeons from time to time :D

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Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank

If they gut summoner and rdm ress because reasons, then this should be the compromise. One phoenix down per player per fight.

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Or at least add a big cast time and a big recast time to hinder the usage.

This, together with putting more limitations on Verraise and Ressurection, can potentially excuse SMN and RDM from that ridiculous 'tax' they pay to have those rezzes, since they would now become job perks rather than identity defining elements.

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Originally Posted by Kukajoo

No. It's okay to wipe. It's okay to fail. Not everything needs a failsafe.

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100% this.

Content is more fun, engaging and rewarding when the possibility of failure exists. It's okay to wipe. Just go again.

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Originally Posted by AyumiCosplayGlam

Can we finally allow the usage of Phoenix Down mid combat or find an alternative?

This is not a complaint about the increased combat difficulty, but it certainly resurrected (no pun intended) my old grievances with how Phoenix Down works in the game, it borderline serves no purpose as it is now.

With the increased difficulty not only the chances are higher that players are dying, we also got 2 new DPS job who don't have a resurrect.
With every DPS job who can't resurrect added to the game, our chances of having backup resurrects are getting lower and lower.

I think it would be a good addition if Tanks and DPS would get a role ability with like 120sec cooldown as Phoenix Down to salvage otherwise lost situations.

Thoughts?

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No. We need to have a point of failure in this game. Otherwise, there's no challenge and no engagement.

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

its helpful in deep dungeons from time to time :D

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Agree. That's the only use for phoenix down. I don't think I've ever bothered to use it in any other content.

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Originally Posted by AyumiCosplayGlam

Can we finally allow the usage of Phoenix Down mid combat or find an alternative?

This is not a complaint about the increased combat difficulty, but it certainly resurrected (no pun intended) my old grievances with how Phoenix Down works in the game, it borderline serves no purpose as it is now.

With the increased difficulty not only the chances are higher that players are dying, we also got 2 new DPS job who don't have a resurrect.
With every DPS job who can't resurrect added to the game, our chances of having backup resurrects are getting lower and lower.

I think it would be a good addition if Tanks and DPS would get a role ability with like 120sec cooldown as Phoenix Down to salvage otherwise lost situations.

Thoughts?

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might I introduce you to a role called "healer"?

they come with a rez.

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

might I introduce you to a role called "healer"?

they come with a rez.

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And if the healer dies?

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Originally Posted by Striker44

And if the healer dies?

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what normally happens. or do you now believe there should zero consequences at all?

if the healer dies, the group either wipes, or it doesnt. if it wipes, everyone learns something hopefully, and you try again.

Phoenix Downs have their place in Palace of the Dead and other deep dungeons.
The last thing we need is everyone to be expected to carry Phoenix Downs into raids and trials.
Imagine the poor little Sprout DPS getting crapped on for not having a Phoenix Down on him to revive one of the healers that died like the other DPS did on previous pulls.

They should just add rez to every caster.

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Originally Posted by NegativeS

Summoner gets Revivify: Resurrects one person, but in combat requires you to have an active Trance, and knocks you out of it once cast.
Red Mage gets Verraise: Resurrects one person, but in combat requires and consumes 50 White and Black Mana (the same amount for a full Enchanted melee rotation if I remember correctly).
Black Mage gets Resuscitation: Resurrects one person, but in combat requires and consumes 10k MP... and removes Astral Fire/Umbral Ice, just for good measure.

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+ Pictomancer gets Realization: Resurrects one person, but in combat requires and consumes all of your motifs. Or something, I don't actually know how PCT works.

Well, well, well. It only took them a year.

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Originally Posted by AyumiCosplayGlam

Well, well, well. It only took them a year.

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They might have heard your feedback.

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Originally Posted by NegativeS

They should just add rez to every caster.



+ Pictomancer gets Realization: Resurrects one person, but in combat requires and consumes all of your motifs. Or something, I don't actually know how PCT works.

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Look, raise consuming your Swiftcast is already punishment enough on SMN.