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    AyumiCosplayGlam's Avatar
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    Usage of Phoenix Down

    Can we finally allow the usage of Phoenix Down mid combat or find an alternative?

    This is not a complaint about the increased combat difficulty, but it certainly resurrected (no pun intended) my old grievances with how Phoenix Down works in the game, it borderline serves no purpose as it is now.

    With the increased difficulty not only the chances are higher that players are dying, we also got 2 new DPS job who don't have a resurrect.
    With every DPS job who can't resurrect added to the game, our chances of having backup resurrects are getting lower and lower.

    I think it would be a good addition if Tanks and DPS would get a role ability with like 120sec cooldown as Phoenix Down to salvage otherwise lost situations.

    Thoughts?
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    No. It's okay to wipe. It's okay to fail. Not everything needs a failsafe.
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    Livia Bloodletter
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    If they gut summoner and rdm ress because reasons, then this should be the compromise. One phoenix down per player per fight.
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    Last edited by GrizzlyTank; 07-24-2024 at 02:23 AM.

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    its helpful in deep dungeons from time to time
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank View Post
    If they gut summoner and rdm ress because reasons, then this should be the compromise. One phoenix down per player per fight.
    Or at least add a big cast time and a big recast time to hinder the usage.

    This, together with putting more limitations on Verraise and Ressurection, can potentially excuse SMN and RDM from that ridiculous 'tax' they pay to have those rezzes, since they would now become job perks rather than identity defining elements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kukajoo View Post
    No. It's okay to wipe. It's okay to fail. Not everything needs a failsafe.
    100% this.

    Content is more fun, engaging and rewarding when the possibility of failure exists. It's okay to wipe. Just go again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AyumiCosplayGlam View Post
    Can we finally allow the usage of Phoenix Down mid combat or find an alternative?

    This is not a complaint about the increased combat difficulty, but it certainly resurrected (no pun intended) my old grievances with how Phoenix Down works in the game, it borderline serves no purpose as it is now.

    With the increased difficulty not only the chances are higher that players are dying, we also got 2 new DPS job who don't have a resurrect.
    With every DPS job who can't resurrect added to the game, our chances of having backup resurrects are getting lower and lower.

    I think it would be a good addition if Tanks and DPS would get a role ability with like 120sec cooldown as Phoenix Down to salvage otherwise lost situations.

    Thoughts?
    No. We need to have a point of failure in this game. Otherwise, there's no challenge and no engagement.

    Quote Originally Posted by ServerCollaps View Post
    its helpful in deep dungeons from time to time
    Agree. That's the only use for phoenix down. I don't think I've ever bothered to use it in any other content.
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    Last edited by Kacho_Nacho; 07-24-2024 at 05:31 AM.

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    Etherea Stormaire
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    Quote Originally Posted by AyumiCosplayGlam View Post
    Can we finally allow the usage of Phoenix Down mid combat or find an alternative?

    This is not a complaint about the increased combat difficulty, but it certainly resurrected (no pun intended) my old grievances with how Phoenix Down works in the game, it borderline serves no purpose as it is now.

    With the increased difficulty not only the chances are higher that players are dying, we also got 2 new DPS job who don't have a resurrect.
    With every DPS job who can't resurrect added to the game, our chances of having backup resurrects are getting lower and lower.

    I think it would be a good addition if Tanks and DPS would get a role ability with like 120sec cooldown as Phoenix Down to salvage otherwise lost situations.

    Thoughts?
    might I introduce you to a role called "healer"?

    they come with a rez.
    (1)
    #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kes13a View Post
    might I introduce you to a role called "healer"?

    they come with a rez.
    And if the healer dies?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Striker44 View Post
    And if the healer dies?
    what normally happens. or do you now believe there should zero consequences at all?

    if the healer dies, the group either wipes, or it doesnt. if it wipes, everyone learns something hopefully, and you try again.
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    #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

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