Ten Chi Jin will always hold Ninja back

Its a cool move, dont get me wrong but there is to many burst windows where you are moving and a long pause like that with a Non flexible window to use it will always hold Ninja back in savage. Either make it huge like Pictos puddle where you can use the mudras inside of it or just make it so you can freely move during the mudra casting portion of it while leaving the initial root from casting it intact. our burst window is busy enough already.

I agree... The idea is nice on paper, but it makes me think if they even consider TCJ when they design the 2 minute marks.

The action feels like a relic of a different encounter design era, but if they'd even consider a rework, can we trust that the developers are going to change it in a way that accomodates today's design standards without dumbing it down?

Disagree, TCJ is good how it is, there was not one Situation in EW where i had trouble to use it during the Burstwindow.

I just wish it went back to double dmg but one can dream

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Originally Posted by AvoSturmfaust

Disagree, TCJ is good how it is, there was not one Situation in EW where i had trouble to use it during the Burstwindow.

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Playing in dungeon once does not count

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Originally Posted by Stasya

Playing in dungeon once does not count

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Glad i cleared all 3 Tiers with 3 different chars, so yea only dungeon ofc.

Movement restriction on a powerful ability is not a bad idea. Considering Ninja has so many ranged tools, having some friction in its kit is somewhat necessary. It was even worse when also had assassinate with its own animation lock.

I think the issue isn't with Ten Chi Jin itself but rather the fact that due to SE's brilliant job design of centering half a job's kit into a few 2 min burst abilities, there are many other rigid abilities that require TCJ to be used at specific times. Meisui and Tenri exacerbate this. Meisui itself has a buff on top of its own effect, and now with Raijus you also want to spend the one you get from TCJ in your burst as well. TCJ is responsible for so much of your output that it feels terrible when you mess it up due to its inherent clunkiness or due to a mechanic you can't avoid.

You cant slide it or move while using it. Either make it so you can move somehow while using it or give it and Mesui a 110 second cooldown incase you need to delay it or use it earlier during your burst window.

But then theres the problem where you have to use it during an exact moment during your burst window and it takes so much time during it that it ruins all the rest of your burst windows if you ever have to delay it. a 110 second cooldown with it and Mesui WOULD solve this though.

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Originally Posted by Delphinus

You cant slide it or move while using it. Either make it so you can move somehow while using it or give it and Mesui a 110 second cooldown incase you need to delay it or use it earlier during your burst window.

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At the very least it should be something like movement with heavy debuff, standing still TCJ is outdated design when SE pushes mechanics in 2 min burst

I like the fact that NIN has this unique thing—a melee that turret-casts spells once every two minutes—that you need to work around. I get that you don't like dropping TCJ, but the solution to that doesn't have to be removing all limitations. To borrow a quote from Mass Effect 2:

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Originally Posted by Mordin Solus

All... advancement due to intellegence overcoming, compensating, for limitations. Can't carry a load, so invent wheel. Can't catch food, so invent spear. Limitations. No limitations, no advancement.

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Being locked into place with TCJ is a relic dating back to Heavensward. A relic in need of change, like how they removed the need to press the Ninjutsu button between each mudra. I would love to have more mobility.

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Originally Posted by TheGrimace

Being locked into place with TCJ is a relic dating back to Heavensward. A relic in need of change, like how they removed the need to press the Ninjutsu button between each mudra. I would love to have more mobility.

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ya but ninja already has the best mobility > 10%+ movement speed , teleport that recharges after any 2 part mudra and gap closers . I think it's a fair tradeoff just like blm is very mobile during burst but not so much in between

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Originally Posted by Miki_L

Movement restriction on a powerful ability is not a bad idea. Considering Ninja has so many ranged tools, having some friction in its kit is somewhat necessary.

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I agree with the rest of your point, but this argument always confuses me. Yes, Ninja has some ranged abilities, but they're almost all used exclusively in the burst window. It's not like you can just dump them in if you're losing melee uptime.

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Originally Posted by TheGrimace

Being locked into place with TCJ is a relic dating back to Heavensward. A relic in need of change, like how they removed the need to press the Ninjutsu button between each mudra. I would love to have more mobility.

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I would love to have more mobility when talking about ninja is crazy.

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Originally Posted by StriderZessei

I agree with the rest of your point, but this argument always confuses me. Yes, Ninja has some ranged abilities, but they're almost all used exclusively in the burst window. It's not like you can just dump them in if you're losing melee uptime.

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Yes you can. You literally can use them if you're losing melee uptime, and you should. You have free uses of Ninjutsu in between burst, and you have a 20-second window of a free Suiton cast leading up to burst.

As for the primary topic of the post, TJC locking you in place is good, actually. It's unique, it's cool, and it's interesting to plan around.

Job friction makes overcoming that friction feel even more satisfying. With all due respect, to everyone complaining about this, this is a skill issue. It's okay to fail. Think about why you failed and do better next time.

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Originally Posted by velswen

Yes you can. You literally can use them if you're losing melee uptime, and you should. You have free uses of Ninjutsu in between burst, and you have a 20-second window of a free Suiton cast leading up to burst.

As for the primary topic of the post, TJC locking you in place is good, actually. It's unique, it's cool, and it's interesting to plan around.

Job friction makes overcoming that friction feel even more satisfying. With all due respect, to everyone complaining about this, this is a skill issue. It's okay to fail. Think about why you failed and do better next time.

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No. If you used both Ninjutsu charges in your burst window (as you always should), you need 40 seconds for them both to recharge. In the 60 seconds between burst windows, that gives you ONE "free" use of Ninjutsu, but it should only be used for Suiton, just so Trick is ready as soon as it refreshes.

Using your Ninjutsu any other time outside of the burst window is a DPS loss, period.

Furthermore, the "friction" argument is irrelevant to the fact that TCJ is overly-punishing on an already-complex Job. Losing a huge chunk of your burst damage as one of the premiere burst-damage classes simply because you accidentally tapped a movement key, or because you are forced to move by a mechanic is a relic of old game design.

If it's a "skill issue" as you allege, then why is Ninja the worst-performing melee DPS in extremes right now?