Stop putting other players down to get your wish

You do not have to shut down peoples requests in every thread.

If someone wants a new race, you can support that wish, and support the push for better customization at the same time. It might be more logical to suggest improvements to customization first, but we can have both.

When someone wants new jobs, and you don't like the idea of there being more jobs added to the game, but you also want job balance changes, you can have both. Push for more devs to be hired to the teams that handles the jobs.

Don't think healing or tank jobs can add anything more to the game? Don't play them when they come out then. Push for better healing and tank mechanics, as well as job balances that make these roles more fun.

Some people love the character(s), content, jobs, and plotlines you hate. You can disagree with someone while also not putting someone down for having a better experience with the content you did not enjoy.

Stop putting down other people to get your wish. It doesn't make any sense to put down other members of the community just because you think that something is not a priority to you. Let every voice be heard.

The reality is, development budgets are finite resources. So a paying customer has every right to voice opposition to suggested ideas if they believe it would be diverting resources not only away from developing things they actually want, but also if the idea is just bad for the game in general.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

The reality is, development budgets are finite resources. So a paying customer has every right to voice opposition to suggested ideas if they believe it would be diverting resources not only away from developing things they actually want, but also if the idea is just bad for the game in general.

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So the thing is that support alone is enough to show how much popularity an idea has. If its a bad idea, less people will support it. Good ideas will have more traction.
No need to bring others ideas down.

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Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn

So the thing is that support alone is enough to show how much popularity an idea has. If its a bad idea, less people will support it. Good ideas will have more traction.
No need to bring others ideas down.

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Sure, but this is a discussion forum. If someone posts an idea you don't like, there is nothing wrong with stating so. I'm pretty sure if I went through most people's history here they would have some disagreement with somebody. And that's fine.

No one here can prevent anyone from sharing their ideas. Whether someone pops in to disagree doesn't change the idea is there to be read.

Nothing wrong with showing you disagree with someone of course. I guess I saw this more towards people who live in a thread just to disagree with everyone.

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Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn

Nothing wrong with showing you disagree with someone of course. I guess I saw this more towards people who live in a thread just to disagree with everyone.

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I don't think people that enjoy arguing or being contrarian will be swayed by this message lol.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

The reality is, development budgets are finite resources. So a paying customer has every right to voice opposition to suggested ideas if they believe it would be diverting resources not only away from developing things they actually want, but also if the idea is just bad for the game in general.

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I don't agree with you, because of the way that this game works in development cycles. Things can be put on the backburner while other things get worked on in the front.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

I don't agree with you, because of the way that this game works in development cycles. Things can be put on the backburner while other things get worked on in the front.

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And at some point there is a limit to what they can realistically release. They can't backburner every whim we have here. The forums are also and endless stream of feedback, and many ideas even here conflict with one another.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

You do not have to shut down peoples requests in every thread.

If someone wants a new race, you can support that wish, and support the push for better customization at the same time. It might be more logical to suggest improvements to customization first, but we can have both.

When someone wants new jobs, and you don't like the idea of there being more jobs added to the game, but you also want job balance changes, you can have both. Push for more devs to be hired to the teams that handles the jobs.

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If someone thinks there are enough races, then it's okay to suggest to not make more? Or is it only wishes for "more" that people are supposed to respect?

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Originally Posted by Gortys

If someone thinks there are enough races, then it's okay to suggest to not make more? Or is it only wishes for "more" that people are supposed to respect?

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As opposed to wishes for nothing? That’s not much of a wish. Imagine being the genie just offering any kind of suggestion so they can grant something and leave. The lamp rubber just keeps going off on why every suggestion isn’t realistic or why someone would be dumb for wanting that or why it would take resources away from other things.

OP, if you put a Lala up, they'll fall. You always have to put them down.

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Originally Posted by DiaDeem

You always have to put them[lalas] down.

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Weeb Police:

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

I don't agree with you, because of the way that this game works in development cycles. Things can be put on the backburner while other things get worked on in the front.

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Yup well I want new races on the back burner for a long time and the current ones to be worked on in the front. Hence responses like mine and others in the thread asking for more new races. The ones we have currently are not even feature complete and fem hroth has major issues to deal with. I rather they forget new races for at least 2-4 years and expand our options for current ones. A new race is A LOT of work. And if they do that we likely won't get the customisation I would like. Hence the opposition.

My biggest wish is that this game gets more staff and budget so that they aren’t crunching all day and night and still having stuff end up feeling padded, rushed or unfinished.

But in the absence of that, I’m not going to shut someone down for saying what they would love to see in this game. It’s nice to wish for things. The devs can just ignore what they can’t or are not interested in doing. They don’t need us to debate every little wish for weeks. That’s not part of their workflow I assure you.

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Originally Posted by Cheapshot

As opposed to wishes for nothing? That’s not much of a wish. Imagine being the genie just offering any kind of suggestion so they can grant something and leave. The lamp rubber just keeps going off on why every suggestion isn’t realistic or why someone would be dumb for wanting that or why it would take resources away from other things.

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No, it's pretty much always followed up with "I'd like them to improve the existing races and the character creator instead", because they realize dev time a limited resources.

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Originally Posted by Cheapshot

As opposed to wishes for nothing? That’s not much of a wish. Imagine being the genie just offering any kind of suggestion so they can grant something and leave. The lamp rubber just keeps going off on why every suggestion isn’t realistic or why someone would be dumb for wanting that or why it would take resources away from other things.

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If I wish for no cars on a freeway during a commute, and I wishing for nothing? LOL You have a view of what a good wish is based on just consuming to consume.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

If someone wants a new race, you can support that wish, and support the push for better customization at the same time. It might be more logical to suggest improvements to customization first, but we can have both.

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Dev have shown us that when they add race they don't work or put effort in other unfinished ones. Our local lion boy and bunny girl still are unfinished despite existing for 5 years now.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

When someone wants new jobs, and you don't like the idea of there being more jobs added to the game, but you also want job balance changes, you can have both. Push for more devs to be hired to the teams that handles the jobs.

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I doubt SE make hiring decision about what player want to be added. Also yet agains, some jobs been complained about for having outdated gameplay or mechanic, or simply problem. Dev also love to strip old class from something that make them different just to make the new ones more unique. just like when they removed all cone shaped aoe except Reaper one in Endwalker. They also showed that adding a new class sometime limit the design of other. just like when Yoshi P said they had no idea what to give to SCH in endwalker, since they gave all the coold shield healer stuff to Sage.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

Don't think healing or tank jobs can add anything more to the game? Don't play them when they come out then. Push for better healing and tank mechanics, as well as job balances that make these roles more fun.

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Just like the healers been doing with no result in the past 5 years?

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

Let every voice be heard.

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You're asking people to not voice their opinions if they go against people who want more stuff.

My wishes are too embarrassing to put down others over

(Yoshi plz let me be a magical caster Bard)

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Originally Posted by Gortys

If I wish for no cars on a freeway during a commute, and I wishing for nothing? LOL You have a view of what a good wish is based on just consuming to consume.

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You just wished for a carless freeway. I could tell you why there are more important wishes you could make, or that your wish is a waste of a wish, or that actually thats a bad thing or that freeways were fine and traffic is no problem stop complaining. Feels like pointless wet blanket behaviour though. I’m rooting for you instead. I am here to support your dreams! Banish those cars to the shadow realm!

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Originally Posted by ThorneDynasty

No, it's pretty much always followed up with "I'd like them to improve the existing races and the character creator instead", because they realize dev time a limited resources.

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Woah, I gotta go re-watch Aladdin.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

Some people love the character(s), content, jobs, and plotlines you hate. You can disagree with someone while also not putting someone down for having a better experience with the content you did not enjoy.

Stop putting down other people to get your wish. It doesn't make any sense to put down other members of the community just because you think that something is not a priority to you. Let every voice be heard.

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Some voices are louder than others, that much is evident if you look at the difference in feedback on Dawntrail in places like Twitter versus the Official Forums. This isn't exclusive to FFXIV, many other games come to mind.

Don't yuck another's yum, that much I agree with. However, taking the voice acting as an example, it's a harsh reality that certain voiced cutscenes are objectively bad. We all paid for this expansion, and many had expected better. The moment you can't show dissatisfaction about something you used to enjoy, you're going down a slippery slope of degradation in quality because the devs don't get varied enough feedback.

My point being: If you go onto any public forum and state your opinion, you open yourself up to criticism. Providing criticism beyond "product good/bad" is difficult for many, but accepting criticism and allowing yourself to reflect upon it will serve you better than demanding everyone either agrees with you or keeps silent. The community you interact with does not owe you their compliance.