More PLD Enmity Builds

Working on a build at the moment that I feel with be pretty promising.

(Thanks goes to Mealstrom)

Edited: and Sword Coheir, since I just read a post that he already
made a very similar gear setup to this a week ago ^^

Storm Lieutenant's Cutlass: Accuracy : +20, Storm gear set (5): Attack Power +30
Lominsan Officer's Overcoat Str : +10, Dex : +10, Vit : +10, Mnd : +10, Sanction: Defense +70 (<----wtf!!)

Cobalt Gauntlets (STR + 39 MND +3) Tripple Meld
Cobalte Celata (MND + 42 STR +3) Tripple Meld
Militia Sabatons: HP : +110, Vit : +3, Mnd : +3, Accuracy : +2
Storm Sergeant's Hoplon: Healing Magic Potency : +5, Defense : +5, Sanction: HP +100
Milita Choker: Acc + 5 ENM + 30
Sentinels Plate Belt Vit + 3 Mnd + 3 (HP + 100) Double Meld
Storm Sergeant's Bracelets: Attack Power : +3, Storm gear set (3): Str +7
Storm Sergeant's Earrings: Attack Power : +4, Storm gear set (4): Crit Attack Power +7
Felt Trousers: (18 STR, 20 VIT) Double Meld

2 X HQ Rubalite Rings (+36 STR)
Accuracy Foods

Final Stats
STR 341
MND 295
VIT 280

I realize that Vitality is a bit low @ 280. But who cares, when Sanction gives you + 70 Def
The Base STR without bonus is 208. So an extra 133 STR will help keep those Enmity combo multipliers filled. Plus from 214 (without bonus stats) MND to 295 is a good jump too (81)

I don't see much emnity on your emnity build????

The way my Paladin is right now.

MH-Mogblade
OH- Thornamans Purpose
Head- Gallant Coronet
Body- Gallant Surcoat. (i spam my mp as much as poss so can't really beat it)
Hands- Sentinals (double heavens eye acc+30)
Legs- Gallant (had sentinals blew them up haven't seen more since)
Feet- Sentinals (double hp meld 147 total)
Waist- Sentinals (double ToR emnity +45)
Ear- Stonewall i(not really alot of options)
Neck- Electrum +1
Wrist- Coral +1
rings- mind+36

Think I total about +90 emnity with all that.

Working on getting Militia gear also as i am aiming to get a 4k+ hp kite/trash set
Just need the cuirass and tights and maybe switch out a few accessories.

I dont sugest it, but if one was soo inclined to build an enmity set, you can get +30~ enmity on a sward and belt fairly easly , maybe purchase it off wards , those type of melds are kinda common. If you wanted to boast about your enmity build should prolly be sporting somthing like 3x touch of rage IV on both the belt and sward. to include the hamlet chocker +30 enmity, stone wall earing , some enmity wristlests, shield with +5 enmity (its name escapes me at the moment), and dark light armor. thats if you wanted to max enmity builds. Again , I personally do not recomend this, but if enmity is your #1 priority, thats a build to be proud of. +mind on the helm dose not hurt either, remember the more mind you stack the more fast blade > flat blade combo is worth in enmity, but i wouldnt suggest going with an insane mind build either. to each their own, and good luck

i wasn't boasting. i simply saw the thread title and the op didnt quite match up. my gear is far from perfect and i have no interest in spending all my days grinding for darklight given that nothing in the game requires it and chances are come 2.0 it's likely to be obselete.

the hamlet choker meh. stacking emnity in every slot is a terrible idea which is what i was expecting to see with the thread title

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Originally Posted by Dzian

i wasn't boasting. i simply saw the thread title and the op didnt quite match up. my gear is far from perfect and i have no interest in spending all my days grinding for darklight given that nothing in the game requires it and chances are come 2.0 it's likely to be obselete.

the hamlet choker meh. stacking emnity in every slot is a terrible idea which is what i was expecting to see with the thread title

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oh, sorry you mis understood, the post was directed at the orginal poster. I agree, stacking enmity in every slot is not only not needed (given you know how to tank with pld) but is also teribly wastefull of sloting stats. I wont get into what i recomend , as it is clearly a undesirable , but I will say enmity should not be an issue for any knowledgeable tank.

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Originally Posted by Aceofspades

I dont sugest it, but if one was soo inclined to build an enmity set, you can get +30~ enmity on a sward and belt fairly easly , maybe purchase it off wards , those type of melds are kinda common. If you wanted to boast about your enmity build should prolly be sporting somthing like 3x touch of rage IV on both the belt and sward. to include the hamlet chocker +30 enmity, stone wall earing , some enmity wristlests, shield with +5 enmity (its name escapes me at the moment), and dark light armor. thats if you wanted to max enmity builds. Again , I personally do not recomend this, but if enmity is your #1 priority, thats a build to be proud of. +mind on the helm dose not hurt either, remember the more mind you stack the more fast blade > flat blade combo is worth in enmity, but i wouldnt suggest going with an insane mind build either. to each their own, and good luck

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Yeah, sorry. From my thread title, I didn't mean, a build in which there was a lot of +Enmity stacked.
The idea was a build that generates a ton of Enmity.

Just curious as to why people keep under rating vit and def, I promise not to get on another rant about it, but serously... Defense is certainly not broken in any situation. to sacrafice defence for somthing as trivial as HP or STR is just insanity. Dont mis understand please, Im not trying to dis anyones build, but it confuses me as to where people get the motivation for such builds? I have seen damn near every chart that explains how DEF is broken and HP rules supreme , HOWEVER when doing the actual testing, none of those charts make any sense , except for one, in wich they did very minamal amounts of def increase to test , and where suprised to see that +10 def didnt take alot of sting off a HNM hit.... LOL, Enmity is a priority for a tank, but luckaly SE gave us enmity ablities that tie into proper stat builds, sadly we dont get the same ATK + boost from vit like war but I would imagine thats to keep from over powering PLD like they did war, reguardless, there is aboslutly no reason to neglect deffensive stats on this game for your tank.

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Originally Posted by Aceofspades

Just curious as to why people keep under rating vit and def, I promise not to get on another rant about it, but serously... Defense is certainly not broken in any situation. to sacrafice defence for somthing as trivial as HP or STR is just insanity. Dont mis understand please, Im not trying to dis anyones build, but it confuses me as to where people get the motivation for such builds? I have seen damn near every chart that explains how DEF is broken and HP rules supreme , HOWEVER when doing the actual testing, none of those charts make any sense , except for one, in wich they did very minamal amounts of def increase to test , and where suprised to see that +10 def didnt take alot of sting off a HNM hit.... LOL, Enmity is a priority for a tank, but luckaly SE gave us enmity ablities that tie into proper stat builds, sadly we dont get the same ATK + boost from vit like war but I would imagine thats to keep from over powering PLD like they did war, reguardless, there is aboslutly no reason to neglect deffensive stats on this game for your tank.

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I agree that Defense is pretty important (+70 Defense with Sanction)
But I did sacrifice adding a lot of Vitality for the sake of STR and MND.
The main issues I was having with running PLD with a Defense/VIT and ENM build was that you didn't leave yourself much time to stop spamming attacks and skills to be able to dodge attacks.

The reason behind this build is that it generates a lot of Enmity through extra Damage + Combo Multipliers.
So much in fact, that you are able to dance around bosses and avoid heavy damage, without the worry of losing Hate.
The downside is the fact that you need to know the fights and be ready to move.

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Originally Posted by Aceofspades

Just curious as to why people keep under rating vit and def, I promise not to get on another rant about it, but serously... Defense is certainly not broken in any situation. to sacrafice defence for somthing as trivial as HP or STR is just insanity. Dont mis understand please, Im not trying to dis anyones build, but it confuses me as to where people get the motivation for such builds? I have seen damn near every chart that explains how DEF is broken and HP rules supreme , HOWEVER when doing the actual testing, none of those charts make any sense , except for one, in wich they did very minamal amounts of def increase to test , and where suprised to see that +10 def didnt take alot of sting off a HNM hit.... LOL, Enmity is a priority for a tank, but luckaly SE gave us enmity ablities that tie into proper stat builds, sadly we dont get the same ATK + boost from vit like war but I would imagine thats to keep from over powering PLD like they did war, reguardless, there is aboslutly no reason to neglect deffensive stats on this game for your tank.

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Well to say Def/VIT is broken is a little misleading, it's more along the lines that D-level messes with Def/VIT's properties so sharply it either sets the defense needed to hit the point of diminishing returns either way to high or way to low.

But to be perfectly honest, even with my offensive setup the hit to defense and increased damage I took was relatively minor compared to the large boost my DPS received. In the same token all HP/Enmity setups likely have only partly defensive differences between someone who went all out Def/VIT, so it kind of defaces the overall value of Def/VIT and gives much more merit to other stats.

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Originally Posted by SwordCoheir

Well to say Def/VIT is broken is a little misleading, it's more along the lines that D-level messes with Def/VIT's properties so sharply it either sets the defense needed to hit the point of diminishing returns either way to high or way to low.

But to be perfectly honest, even with my offensive setup the hit to defense and increased damage I took was relatively minor compared to the large boost my DPS received. In the same token all HP/Enmity setups likely have only partly defensive differences between someone who went all out Def/VIT, so it kind of defaces the overall value of Def/VIT and gives much more merit to other stats.

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now , I certainly will not say that you could not have experianced what you said, but it has been my experiance that the amount of damage I mitigate is far more then mertiable in comapairson to the hp boost i could have gotten if my teir 4 materia was hp instead. when compaired to a triple melded hp set, my double melded def/vit set took roughly 30% less damage on both boss mobs and normal mobs (roughly 200+ hp points less per normal attack on boss mobs), every triple meld of teir 4 hp materia is roughly 180-200ish hp... I belive that most people dont see big dividens in thier def/vit gear when faced with HNMs /Boss mobs, simply because they have not stacked it with sufficient numbers, keep in mind with full pt buff and protect i run 900ish def , with food and other buffs I am well over 1k def, my vit is still just under 400, once I hit 500 vit, i completely expect CC's "100 TONZE" to hit me for triple digits instead of the normal quad digits. once I can do this, I will fraps and parse it, hopefully this will be suffice to prove that IF stacked to sufficient numbers DEF and VIT builds are super effective, I do understand , however, that untill I do this, there will still be strong critisim against a def vit build, wich i am ok with, But I would incourage anyone thethe gil power to do so, to test what i have posted, 1k def should be realtivly easy to attain with double/triple melds allowing you to add vit in other places, now attaining 500 vit is gona be a pain in the padded ass, lol gl.

Have to consider most don't have access to 1kDef/400VIT worth of gear and on a realistic scale most good/elite players don't even have access to such. On the average scale the benefits of high DPS/Enmity/HP tend to be easier get and more beneficial to those who can't get reach said defense/VIT level to really reap the benefits of stacking defense.

There really isn't a "1 set fits all" that a person can make. Sure with enough defense and Vit you can see substantial returns but there is also the need for damage>enmity as well as hp for cushion. Take the H-1's for example, while Def and Vit may lower a vast majority of the damage you take, good luck consistently landing any sort of combo on them. On top of that there is the need for, at the very least, 4k hp because his hard hitting, stunning, WS is lightning based, not physical and you have to have a bad ass connection and twitchy finger to get sentinel or hallowed ground up in time because he hits fast.

Every stat has it's uses but most are situational; HP can be used in any situation, Def is physical only. +Enmity is also more potent for PLD due to the fact we spam buffing abilities and healing more than we combo, and by spamming those abilities we actually hurt our tp generation by delaying our AA even longer.

I am of an open mind here and have begun to swap out materia in my tank gear, but there are some things that are a must and a decent hp pool is 1 of them. I really do believe there isn't a single set we can use for every situation but there are things we can combine that are in common with our multiple sets, should we have more than 1.

Got to try the "Raven" fight last night. Was extemely fun...only got access once, so didn't beat it.

With my unfinished set I'm building

311 STR
256 MND

Still missing some HQ STR rings, Tripple MND Helmet, and didn't have any accuracy food, so I had to use an HQ Electrum Ring, and only had the Ifrit Sword.

On Darnus, I was pulling rougly 1190 Enmity for a Flat Blade Combo. (200 Fast Blade, 180 Flat Blade)
Spirits Within Combo was 1825 (200 Phalanx, 650 Spirits Within)
With all cooldowns, and with Sentinel, I averaged around 5400 Enmity per minute.
Darnus ports a lot, so there's a lot of time to wait around.
With my full build I could probably increase it another 30%.

So I'm starting to think, that it might end up being a little overkill on Enmity Generation, which would leave room for some more Vitality or Defense, or accuracy/Dex

But like others say, there is no 1 build for all fights. Any boss that would have high physical defense and low magic defense would be tough.

Hmm, well in light of info I have just recived, it apears stacking any stat is pointless as of right now, Heard that SE will limit the effect of stacked materia to two of the same, I am strongly against this.

if one was to decide to stack or mix stats, that would be up to the individual wich is why the materia system is probably this games current best aspect, that being said , IF they limit our abilities to customize our gear by limiting slots and how many materia would actually be effective , they would consiquently force us into another "cookie cutter gear set up" situation, everyone will stack the same stats on the same gear where as of now, because there is no limit to effective stats people will experament and find for themselves what stat builds work for them.

I am evidance that what the majority may want dosent always fit that odd ball player. Not to say either side is wrong in their choice , but having the choice is what makes me such a big fan of the materia system. From what i understand SE is concerned about the unitentional "bloaded" stats on gear , consiquently overpowering certain jobs. Fact is , such gear sets are NOT easly come by and often take several atempts just to attain a double meld, much less a triple. If one was soo inlcined to acheive such greatness and set themsleves apart from the masses , why should they not be allowed to? This is the brilliance of our current materia set up. No one is limited , everyone has the same opertunity and yet only few decide to temp fate and even fewer succeed. Its a system in wich risk is rewarded even if it somtimes fails, and the higher the risk the more potential a reward awaits the gambler. And all this to insure that no one person is forced or even inclined to have the same set up as any other.

I implore you SE, DO NOT REFORM YOUR MATERIA SYSTEM, IT IS NOT BROKEN, PLZ DO NOT BREAK IT .

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Originally Posted by Aceofspades

Hmm, well in light of info I have just recived, it apears stacking any stat is pointless as of right now, Heard that SE will limit the effect of stacked materia to two of the same, I am strongly against this.

if one was to decide to stack or mix stats, that would be up to the individual wich is why the materia system is probably this games current best aspect, that being said , IF they limit our abilities to customize our gear by limiting slots and how many materia would actually be effective , they would consiquently force us into another "cookie cutter gear set up" situation, everyone will stack the same stats on the same gear where as of now, because there is no limit to effective stats people will experament and find for themselves what stat builds work for them.

I am evidance that what the majority may want dosent always fit that odd ball player. Not to say either side is wrong in their choice , but having the choice is what makes me such a big fan of the materia system. From what i understand SE is concerned about the unitentional "bloaded" stats on gear , consiquently overpowering certain jobs. Fact is , such gear sets are NOT easly come by and often take several atempts just to attain a double meld, much less a triple. If one was soo inlcined to acheive such greatness and set themsleves apart from the masses , why should they not be allowed to? This is the brilliance of our current materia set up. No one is limited , everyone has the same opertunity and yet only few decide to temp fate and even fewer succeed. Its a system in wich risk is rewarded even if it somtimes fails, and the higher the risk the more potential a reward awaits the gambler. And all this to insure that no one person is forced or even inclined to have the same set up as any other.

I implore you SE, DO NOT REFORM YOUR MATERIA SYSTEM, IT IS NOT BROKEN, PLZ DO NOT BREAK IT .

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Hmmm? Where did you hear that we'd be materia limited?

I definately don't want to see that either.
I agree with what you are saying that it is our best reward system on making uber gear, and the best way to customize our setups.
While a double meld (or more) setup is OP compared to someone with basic gear, it is pretty balanced between classes/jobs.

BLM with Double Melds ='s WHM with Double Melds (not in the sense of damage, but potential)