Complete 7.0 patchnotes

7.0 Patchnotes (complete)

Job Guide (updated)

Ty, i was arguing about that, Have a great day! :)

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Originally Posted by Feronar

My thoughts:

• Why is the melee DPS role quest in Radz-at-Han while all the others are in Tuliyollal?

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Just got changed to Tuli.

And apparently Tenacity was buffed again.

Also also, AST Draws are at 20% MP so that was fixed after all.

looking at blackmage changes i dont see what the big deal is seems fine to me why was everyone crying again?

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Originally Posted by ryouma17

looking at blackmage changes i dont see what the big deal is seems fine to me why was everyone crying again?

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1. You're forced to use 6 fire 4's to get flare star, there were instances of early despair being useful.
2. You have to use ice spells during ice phase, where sometimes you would want to use a xenoglossy/thunder, get back to fire early, to finish off a boss where the three ice hearts aren't needed or if the boss is going up for a mech, so you cant target them.
3. Removes non-standard play. I don't mind this is gone personally, but others enjoyed nonstandard blm.
4. Thunder changes you can't apply two thunders easily to a double target situation.
5. No more Ice paradox for movement.

all these changes makes black mage more clunky and less flexible.

people are going to be upset about job changes and leave feedback, you may not understand it but I think i will listen to the black mage players why they didn't like the changes (or liked them) on this one.

About blackmage: they also nerfed the AoE potency on fire spell, then bumped up the Flare Star potency.
Enhanced Flare is dropped.
Manafont change and with Flare gives 3 Astral Heart make that if Flare Star is the endgoal, then somehow there is only one right answer to AoE rotation:
starting from Umbral Ice > Flare 2x > Flare Star, Manafont > Flare 2x > Flare Star
Idk, I just need more Triplecast to execute all those, man.
And Manafont seems to give Full MP from the moment it obtained, so no more weave between Firestarter.
I am gonna miss the fun of dumping all Triplecast and Swiftcast on all those Fire IVs and Despairs that are sandwiching Manafont.

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Originally Posted by Rithy255

I think i will listen to the black mage players why they didn't like the changes (or liked them) on this one.

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iam a blackmage player and i like the new changes, ice actually has a use now other then to regen mana while you cast thunder

Anything new, other than the role quest location change?

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Originally Posted by ryouma17

iam a blackmage player and i like the new changes, ice actually has a use now other then to regen mana while you cast thunder

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Then i hope you enjoy the changes, I'm not saying ur opinions are invalid but you describe peoples issues with the changes as "crying".

I showed u why some players dislike it.

Disappointed in tanks

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Originally Posted by Tunda

Disappointed in tanks

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...Yeah, I'm not sure why PLD and DRK got the short end of the stick and only gained a single new button that's just a follow-up to another CD.

GNB and WAR got two buttons which isn't much better, but I'll take anything at this point.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

...Yeah, I'm not sure why PLD and DRK got the short end of the stick and only gained a single new button that's just a follow-up to another CD.

GNB and WAR got two buttons which isn't much better, but I'll take anything at this point.

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He's a healer striker, is probably upset they didn't get nerfed into the ground

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Originally Posted by Collin_Sky

He's a healer striker, is probably upset they didn't get nerfed into the ground

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I am warrior main in shadowbringers I love tanks but tanks play very similar there is no room for uniqueness that's why I moved to play black mage.. BTW I don't play healer

Pictomancer's skills seem similar to RDM in pvp (minus the melee part), perhaps I'll try it just for that.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

...Yeah, I'm not sure why PLD and DRK got the short end of the stick and only gained a single new button that's just a follow-up to another CD.

GNB and WAR got two buttons which isn't much better, but I'll take anything at this point.

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As someone that has played DRK since Heavensward, trust me we're well used to it at this point that DRK gets bad changes/no changes. It's been 3 back to back expansions where DRK kinda got the short end of the stick.

Hmm I guess they're sticking to Suiton dealing fire damage when it's clearly a wind attack but ok , so weird

Looking at the changes to AST... Umbral Draw is entirely useless because of Lady of Wasted CardsCrowns, and now that Astrodyne would no longer be RNG it's removed. And aside from Malefic, their only other attacks are Earthly Star on a 60s CD, Lord of Crowns on a 60s CD and a new attack Oracle on a 120s CD.

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Originally Posted by Rithy255

1. You're forced to use 6 fire 4's to get flare star, there were instances of early despair being useful.
2. You have to use ice spells during ice phase, where sometimes you would want to use a xenoglossy/thunder, get back to fire early, to finish off a boss where the three ice hearts aren't needed or if the boss is going up for a mech, so you cant target them.
3. Removes non-standard play. I don't mind this is gone personally, but others enjoyed nonstandard blm.
4. Thunder changes you can't apply two thunders easily to a double target situation.
5. No more Ice paradox for movement.

all these changes makes black mage more clunky and less flexible.

people are going to be upset about job changes and leave feedback, you may not understand it but I think i will listen to the black mage players why they didn't like the changes (or liked them) on this one.

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There's also the fact that, going by the posted info in the job guide, Picto has the highest caster dps with a side of very good utility (offensive and defensive). You might want SMN for the rez, but it's likely either one or the other.
Years pass, and we keep coming back to caster balance disaster. 4.0, 4.4, 5.0, 5.2, 5.5, 6.0, 6.2... I'm really getting tired of them incrementally fixing the disaster that's the balance of this role to nuke it every few patches.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

...Yeah, I'm not sure why PLD and DRK got the short end of the stick and only gained a single new button that's just a follow-up to another CD.

GNB and WAR got two buttons which isn't much better, but I'll take anything at this point.

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I mean I'm more disappointed with the fact they refuse to touch Shield bash or cover and refuse to give us new skills because of those abilities taking up hotbar space, it's sad to still see that they keep abilities that will be a excuse to why PLD can't have more buttons but also do nothing with them.

I think Tanks all need a massive overhaul but this isn't anything new from what I want.

Can anyone translate this:

"[Date & Time]
Jun. 26, 2024 2:00 a.m. to Jun. 28, 2024 2:00 a.m. (PDT)
* Completion time is subject to change.
(This maintenance will not end before the scheduled ending time.)"

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Originally Posted by Galvuu

There's also the fact that, going by the posted info in the job guide, Picto has the highest caster dps with a side of very good utility (offensive and defensive). You might want SMN for the rez, but it's likely either one or the other.
Years pass, and we keep coming back to caster balance disaster. 4.0, 4.4, 5.0, 5.2, 5.5, 6.0, 6.2... I'm really getting tired of them incrementally fixing the disaster that's the balance of this role to nuke it every few patches.

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No picto will have less adps than BLM, and probably also less rDPS (as he have defensive tools)

BLM's Flare Star looks like it could potentially be kind of an messy to use, as you need to use 6 Fire IVs and with a 3s cast you need to Swift/Triplecast it... I also kind of wonder why Flare Star is an AoE because it's never going to be usable in an AoE situation as you'd need to cast 6 Flares in a row to use it as an AoE spell... Unless you're using Fire IV to single target trash mobs...

And if you want to use Thunder, you need to let Astral Fire drop to become unaspected in order to gain a new Thunderhead to recast Thunder.

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Originally Posted by Mawlzy

Can anyone translate this:

"[Date & Time]
Jun. 26, 2024 2:00 a.m. to Jun. 28, 2024 2:00 a.m. (PDT)
* Completion time is subject to change.
(This maintenance will not end before the scheduled ending time.)"

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Translate to what?

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Originally Posted by CaedemSanguis

No picto will have less adps than BLM, and probably also less rDPS (as he have defensive tools)

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Balance has done the maths on PCT’s potencies and it exceeds BLM before you consider starry muse raid buff and before you consider PCT is also better at putting stuff inside raid buffs

So PCT does like 3% more aDPS, like 10% more rDPS and has better utility

PCT either needs to be nerfed or BLM buffed

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Originally Posted by Mawlzy

Can anyone translate this:

"[Date & Time]
Jun. 26, 2024 2:00 a.m. to Jun. 28, 2024 2:00 a.m. (PDT)
* Completion time is subject to change.
(This maintenance will not end before the scheduled ending time.)"

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What the post is saying is that maintenance is "scheduled" to complete at 0200 hours Pacific daylight time.

https://smallbusiness.patriotsoftwar.../timezones.png

So much new stuff on NIN. I hope most are replacement actions and not completely new ones, else I'm going to have to completely re-do my bars and keybinds, then relearn the job.

Also, an attempt at a Ninjitsu cheat sheet for new Ninjas.

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Action        TEN        CHI        JIN

Fuma        1        1        1        (500 ranged)
Katon        TEN        1        1        (350 fire AOE), Changes to Goka Mekkyaku (600 fire AOE) under Kassatsu 
Raiton        1        CHI        1        (740 ranged) grants Raiju Ready
Hyoton        1        1        JIN        (150 Ice), Changes to Hyoshu Ranryu (1300 Ice) under Kassatcu
Huton        TEN        2        2        (240 fire AOE)  Grants Shadow Walker
Doton        2        CHI        2        (80 ground DOT 18s)
Suiton        2        2        JIN        (580 water) Grants Shadow Walker

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You have to hit one or two of the numbered buttons, followed by the named one and then Ninjitsu.

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Originally Posted by SamSmoot

So much new stuff on NIN. I hope most are replacement actions and not completely new ones, else I'm going to have to completely re-do my bars and keybinds, then relearn the job.

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I am glad my UI set up is a trainwreck, maybe this will encourage me to finally customize it a little bit more.

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Originally Posted by Edmund_Blackadder

What the post is saying is that maintenance is "scheduled" to complete at 0200 hours Pacific daylight time.

https://smallbusiness.patriotsoftwar.../timezones.png

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I think you have the times flip-flopped because the expansion maintenances have always ended at 11 PM HST for me.

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Originally Posted by SamSmoot

So much new stuff on NIN. I hope most are replacement actions and not completely new ones, else I'm going to have to completely re-do my bars and keybinds, then relearn the job.

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It looks like a lot but in practice the only "new" button they have to hit that doesn't automatically fit into their burst rotation is the TCJ follow-up.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Balance has done the maths on PCT’s potencies and it exceeds BLM before you consider starry muse raid buff and before you consider PCT is also better at putting stuff inside raid buffs

So PCT does like 3% more aDPS, like 10% more rDPS and has better utility

PCT either needs to be nerfed or BLM buffed

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oh well, I guess I overestimated Square then

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

I think you have the times flip-flopped because the expansion maintenances have always ended at 11 PM HST for me.

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Ah I can see how that graphic would confuse it, that is a time zone guide for the poster who was confused about PDT - to simply illustrate as in 0200 PDT would be 0300 MTN or 0400 CST.

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Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard

BLM's Flare Star looks like it could potentially be kind of an messy to use, as you need to use 6 Fire IVs and with a 3s cast you need to Swift/Triplecast it... I also kind of wonder why Flare Star is an AoE because it's never going to be usable in an AoE situation as you'd need to cast 6 Flares in a row to use it as an AoE spell... Unless you're using Fire IV to single target trash mobs...

And if you want to use Thunder, you need to let Astral Fire drop to become unaspected in order to gain a new Thunderhead to recast Thunder.

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Guess you missed it in the job actions trailer and haven't checked the updated job guide, but Flare gives 3 Astral Soul stacks.

That's it really...

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Originally Posted by Rithy255

Then i hope you enjoy the changes, I'm not saying ur opinions are invalid but you describe peoples issues with the changes as "crying".

I showed u why some players dislike it.

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I wouldn't worry about them much. they're a constant contrarian who plays every job apparently and thinks every job change is good

Is this the most frugal expansion yet?

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Originally Posted by Aluja89

Is this the most frugal expansion yet?

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What's frugal about a big ol' graphics update?

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Originally Posted by Aluja89

Is this the most frugal expansion yet?

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"How can you even judge it?! The expansion hasn't even started yet!"

Also i have the "Wait until 7.1, i'm sure there will be good changes then" if you want to hold it for later?
Unless you already have it in your collection.

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Originally Posted by Kaixern

"How can you even judge it?! The expansion hasn't even started yet!"

Also i have the "Wait until 7.1, i'm sure there will be good changes then" if you want to hold it for later?
Unless you already have it in your collection.

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Didn’t you get the memo we are already at “wait for 8.0 the good changes are there”

Please try to keep up

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Originally Posted by ryouma17

looking at blackmage changes i dont see what the big deal is seems fine to me why was everyone crying again?

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People don't like playing a class the way the devs intended it to be played. They're naturally mad when the devs force you to play it the way it's intended to be played. This sounds dismissive, but it's surprisingly precise since a lot of players conflated the classes identity with the ability to play the class in ways the devs didn't intend it to be played.

That said, it does add some problems. The class still has a catastrophic failure scenario because of timers, transpose-firestarter is still available to the class, umbral ice is vestigial at best, manafont despite being upgraded is actually worse now in that it only saves you exactly 3 GCDs (bliz 3, bliz 4, fire 3) without umbral soul or regen ticks, the class will suffer in dungeons below 76. Frankly I'd be surprised if the class didn't get a mid-expansion rework at this point. And oh, thunder having a DoT oddly is becoming substantially worse for the class due to timers and the high cost of failure. Would surprisingly make more sense to simply not be a DoT, but then the rotation would get incredibly long so it's not all good.

The devs are quoted as saying they wanted to make the class easier to understand and play (baseline level,) and didn't even bother touching the very thing that makes the class difficult to play, the timers.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...e5c10b2b66363&

Also, we now have proof the devs acknowledge scathe exists. WHY THE HECK IS IT STILL IN ITS GARBAGE ARR STATE?!

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Originally Posted by Reinha

Anything new, other than the role quest location change?

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Some info on clusters and materia... and links to the job websites showing new skills for all jobs including DoH and DoL, and confirmed potencies. As well as PvP actions. (Which none have changed at this time, just have had Viper and Picto added.)
They also added a list of resolved issues, and new issues.

At level 84-94 the potency now works out to never use VerFire/Stone, since they crammed Jolt 3 in there.

I was planning on switching to Picto anyway but wow, that's so easy to figure out it's literally just a direct comparison between two numbers.