Show your support- More body types

I’d love for existing races to have different body types befitting their race- this would make it less resource intensive to include more options for players. To implement this, we could get new subraces

Examples would be- Slender hrothgar sharing with Highlanders, Elezen and Midlander sharing body type models (as they already do), female aura and miqote and male aura and Viera, to name a few.

(Sorry Lalas, there are too few short races for the time being… here’s hoping to ishgardian Moogles some day)

I think this is an excellent idea.

Nah, what we've got now is fine. No need to muddy the waters.

Rather they make a new ff mmo, clearly this one's in maintenance mode.

I wouldn't mind some more body types

A new character creator I my goal but yes I do support more body types once again falls with my goals

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Originally Posted by Rekh

Rather they make a new ff mmo, clearly this one's in maintenance mode.

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Come on, they just forgot about the "live" part of "live service" :3

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Rather they make a new ff mmo, clearly this one's in maintenance mode.

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Not against this but you'd get weird things like racial emotes and gear now being tied to body types instead. Most of the frankensteined NPCs don't have them.

I wish the game had more body types. It does feel a bit dated that every member of every race has the exact same build and BMI, etc.

That said, I don't think the devs have the bandwidth to do this in a way that would meaningfully address that issue. It takes them a huge lift just to add a single new body type, because their systems and pipelines just aren't made in a way that makes that manageable. I think for FF14, that ship has sailed. FF14 got off to a terrible start that forced them to scramble to build an entirely new game, and while that game has been able to continue, it's clear that it's built on a rushed foundation that makes enhancing and adding functionality a far larger burden than it needs to be. FF14 has an amount of technical debt that I don't think it will ever recover from, and that limits its scope.

That said, I hope that in the next FF MMO they do a much more thorough job in the planning stages so that the core infrastructure of the game is better suited to be able to handle these sorts of things and so much more.

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Originally Posted by Pavise

Nah, what we've got now is fine. No need to muddy the waters.

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Only one who muddy watters is you by this comment. Its about show support. If you are not for it why do you even type this?

They can't even make viera wear hats and you want more body types? :D

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Originally Posted by AndyMugu

I’d love for existing races to have different body types befitting their race- this would make it less resource intensive to include more options for players. To implement this, we could get new subraces

Examples would be- Slender hrothgar sharing with Highlanders, Elezen and Midlander sharing body type models (as they already do), female aura and miqote and male aura and Viera, to name a few.

(Sorry Lalas, there are too few short races for the time being… here’s hoping to ishgardian Moogles some day)

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The concept of all the characters in FFXIV is that they have to meet the A-shaped skeleton (I'm not kidding) which is a problem in itself if they try to make a new body type for characters that don't meet this condition because otherwise it would just be a cosmetic change that wouldn't change the shape.
This in itself is a problem because of the amount of things that can be put on glamour or dress up a character.
And just for example Vierra is a wonderful attempt to change a little something and it didn't work out well because there is no official fix to use all kinds of headwear.
Adding a completely new race to the game is much more realistic.
I'm sorry. Anyway, I'm all for it. If there's any way to do it.

The only body type I want are the fat miqotes from eulmore. Let me be like Dulia-Chai please.

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Originally Posted by ThomasOfEger

Only one who muddy watters is you by this comment. Its about show support. If you are not for it why do you even type this?

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Because its a discussion forum, and you can show your support for the opposing position.



Why is that so hard to understand?



Also, body types don't exist because bodies don't really exist. Gear replaces your char models when worn. They'd have to redo every single gear model to do this.

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Originally Posted by Dysvalence

Not against this but you'd get weird things like racial emotes and gear now being tied to body types instead. Most of the frankensteined NPCs don't have them.

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I mean, sure, they’d have to do a bit of footwork to adjust emotes & facial animations slightly but nothing like a whole new race

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Originally Posted by Somnolence

They can't even make viera wear hats and you want more body types? :D

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Yes, they mentioned in a live letter they’ve made it easier to create/ adjust new gear.
As a male viera myself, I’m hoping this is just a temporary thing, and we can look forward to new things and not get bogged down by previous limitations

Butt slider please and thank you +1

BBW roes when lmao

I just want a butt slider, muscle slider for the girls and a bulge slider for the lads
thats good enough

Support sure, but if they can't even update what is currently there. They will never do this.

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Originally Posted by ThomasOfEger

The concept of all the characters in FFXIV is that they have to meet the A-shaped skeleton (I'm not kidding) which is a problem in itself if they try to make a new body type for characters that don't meet this condition because otherwise it would just be a cosmetic change that wouldn't change the shape.

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What? Sorry I don’t understand what you mean with A-shaped skeleton.

Afaik, a new body type for races could be possible but not doable for SE.
One can imagine a new body type where normals are defined differently (more muscle tones variants for example) and another can imagine a brand new mesh type for the new body.
In either ways, this would mean to re do all the gear that shows portion of the body like chest pieces and legs.
The way an armour piece is made in FF is by merging the actual armour mesh with the actual portion of the body it has applied on (if there is).

Now, gears pieces have a material slot where all the textures of that gear are stored within and a material slot linked to the body material which takes the body textures, so technically speaking, adding a third slot material variant or a meta rule for a new body type which only its texture sets has been modified should not be a complex work to do, technically speaking, but since SE didn’t bother to add some holes and ears for viera’s hats I doubt they even had considered to think about new bodies…better adding three/four triangles on Layla’s faces…hilarious.

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Originally Posted by Jokerz_93

What? Sorry I don’t understand what you mean with A-shaped skeleton.

Afaik, a new body type for races could be possible but not doable for SE.
One can imagine a new body type where normals are defined differently (more muscle tones variants for example) and another can imagine a brand new mesh type for the new body.
In either ways, this would mean to re do all the gear that shows portion of the body like chest pieces and legs.
The way an armour piece is made in FF is by merging the actual armour mesh with the actual portion of the body it has applied on (if there is).

Now, gears pieces have a material slot where all the textures of that gear are stored within and a material slot linked to the body material which takes the body textures, so technically speaking, adding a third slot material variant or a meta rule for a new body type which only its texture sets has been modified should not be a complex work to do, technically speaking, but since SE didn’t bother to add some holes and ears for viera’s hats I doubt they even had considered to think about new bodies…better adding three/four triangles on Layla’s faces…hilarious.

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I was refering of using existing models with current head swaps, maybe that’s gotten lost in the discussion thread

Oh man I think of that youtube short i saw of a modded lalafell with massive boobs. That would be something if that body type was added LOL.

Hi all, person with experience in 3D and how these character models work in XIV!

I totally think it is possible. First SE could update the normal maps, textures and MAYBE models already existing in XIV just like they did for this graphical update (It would take less time since bodies are easier and less time consuming than faces, hair or eyes to update).
Next they could implement a system that scales the different bones of your character (they already did for some of the female characters, IE "breast size"), but for everyone to a limit to not break animations. JUST being able to slightly change character's shoulder width, belly, chest size and glutes would beneficiate everyone.

They don't have to make more bodies from scratch, just update what they already have and extend character creator features already there to other parts with a cap limit to avoid breaking models.

After seeing the benchmark, it is really obvious THIS should be the next step because these characters models (not the faces) feel really dated indeed and these races, especially the ones sharing the "midlander body type" (IYKYK), need more variety.

I'm still baffled we didn't get a new character creator with the update. :(

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Originally Posted by thembonymph

Hi all, person with experience in 3D and how these character models work in XIV!

I totally think it is possible. First SE could update the normal maps, textures and MAYBE models already existing in XIV just like they did for this graphical update (It would take less time since bodies are easier and less time consuming than faces, hair or eyes to update).

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I think what some people want is the kind of silly junk GW2 and PSO2 have. Game engines that use off the shelf (Eg Unreal, Cryengine, Source Engine) end up limited to the engine's modeling limits, which is why you see the same body types over and over again in many MMO games.

Meanwhile PSO2 has some incredibly silly things you can do, but even then the body style is still pretty limited. GW2 (I didn't play it much, but I distinctly remember it having unbounded magnets, so you could scale down to 1' tall to 10' tall and the limbs and such would stretch accordingly.) Yet nearly everything built using CryEngine and Unreal adheres to the same scale. So every female character looks exactly the same from the neck down. Every male character, same from the neck down.

FFXIV, with the unique race types and walking gait's that go with them, really should have the ability to mix-and-match the body types with the heads, but also the thickness of certain limbs, chest sizes, etc aren't an inherent limitation imposed by the engine, rather that the underlying base model used for the gear. So if you suddenly unbound the magnets, then you have to make sure every piece of gear has that same unbounded magnet settings. For a female character, when the base model actually has some level of bustiness, you can't just "invert the chest" to make it flat, nor can you make joke anime chest sizes, for the same reason. They would need to change every piece of gear to not break. I just don't see much happening in this regard unless they were going to make a one-size-fits-all-races-and-genders gear, and we all know how poorly that works.

Realistically, I see it being more possible to make characters more buff/thick. The game Mabinogi, actually had this as a feature. How it worked in that game, is one type of food would increase the magnet limits on the legs, one would for the entire upper (chest, arms), and one would increase both (making the character "fatter") so if you ate only the food that increased the upper body, eventually the shoulders would be wider than the hips. If you ate only the food that increased the legs, they would get a kind of bottom-heavy shape. But this game didn't have magnets for chest sizes or anything, this was the absolute limit of what you could do because the game also scaled the character as it aged. So everyone of one race and gender had the same height.

Applying that to FFXIV I don't see as being entirely unreasonable, but it might result in unsatisfactory results where the clothing seams meet between the gear parts.

Short time ago I realized that if you play a female character you can choose from almost every bodytype, appearance type and
temperament (emotes/voices).
From really short and slim, to various options from tall and muscular to tall but still very feminine. With very different styles.
But as a male you don't have that variety.

For example there is no option to play a really small slim male character. Smallest is Miqote, but still not really small like for example female Au'Ra.
And their body type is not really 'slim'. There are tons of muscular and big size options for males. If you want a more slim body the only
option is Viera. But they are not small.

I would love to see more variety for male characters. For example a smaller und less muscular option for Hyr and Au'Ra with more elegant emotes (and fitting voices)

PS: Lalas excluded ;)
But I love all of them!

I'm doing my part by saying no, this is a -redacted- idea and should be treated as such.

*sigh*
I know it will never happen.
I know it’s just a foolish dream.
But.. .
I. . .
*ahem*
. . .
Can we have female Elezen with chubby mom hips and kissable squeezable muffintop tummies?
K. I know, I know, I’m going to hell. . .but m-maybe just a little plumpness SE?

Want a Hrothgar that can wear a hat? Pop its head off like a Barbie Doll and replace it with a Miqo'te head.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

GW2 (I didn't play it much, but I distinctly remember it having unbounded magnets, so you could scale down to 1' tall to 10' tall and the limbs and such would stretch accordingly.) Yet nearly everything built using CryEngine and Unreal adheres to the same scale. So every female character looks exactly the same from the neck down. Every male character, same from the neck down.

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GW2 does offer a limited selection of body types (which can be customized in the manner you described), although I think humans were the only ones with much diversity, iirc (I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong lol). Ranged from thin, to soft, to beefy, with different diffuse maps to suggest tone.